naruto can't shed the entire body and not be left invulnerable. sasuke on the other hand can make bijuu sized amaterasu. sasuke was clearly matching naruto's power when he was rocking the base legged susanoo. what makes you think his PS wouldn't be stronger? does kishi need to spoon feed you everything? or can you not use inference?
and you can't infer that sasuke's susanoo is stronger in its PS form than his basic legged form. either way his base legged form was matching naruto power so yeah sasuke is stronger
and you can't infer that sasuke's susanoo is stronger in its PS form than his basic legged form. either way his base legged form was matching naruto power so yeah sasuke is stronger
- Lmao what? That ama is barely touching the 8-tails. Most of it just hit nothing. Besides, this still means nothing as Naruto only has to shed the affected part, not the entire cloak itself. Since the ama will only be on the outside, all Naruto has to do if push it off the outer layer of his cloak. It won't even be touching him.
- That has nothing to do with defensive power, in which Sasuke's susano'o hasn't shown anything and gets obliterated by 3 or more TBBs
naruto can't shed the entire body and not be left invulnerable. sasuke on the other hand can make bijuu sized amaterasu. sasuke was clearly matching naruto's power when he was rocking the base legged susanoo. what makes you think his PS wouldn't be stronger? does kishi need to spoon feed you everything? or can you not use inference?
- Lmao what? That ama is barely touching the 8-tails. Most of it just hit nothing. Besides, this still means nothing as Naruto only has to shed the affected part, not the entire cloak itself. Since the ama will only be on the outside, all Naruto has to do if push it off the outer layer of his cloak. It won't even be touching him.
- That has nothing to do with defensive power, in which Sasuke's susano'o hasn't shown anything and gets obliterated by 3 or more TBBs
proof tbb's can break sasuke's susanoo? because we have no feats you can't just claim weakness. I can claim unbreakable defense. how can you prove me wrong?
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how would naruto get all that off? you act like he feels nothing in his kurama cloak
- FRS would be turned to Enton and used against Naruto.
- Four tails or nine tails - the condensation of Bijuu chakra for TBB remains the same. Nothing in the manga suggests that the process is faster.
- No it shouldn't be. The manga accelerates the action on many accounts. This doesn't mean the original charge for TBB shown through out the manga should be discarded in favour of any argumentation. Every single TBB has charge time, whether it's flash dama, regular dama, or continuous dama. Nothing in the manga suggests otherwise.
- Disrupt it whilst it's being prepped. This was proven when Deva didn't let 6-tailed Kurama release the TBB in his direction and it exploded there and then when he landed a pillar on Naruto's head. This is a proven manga fact. Enton sword can do just that. FYI, disrupt means to disturb or halt the process. How can a thrown Tbb be disrupted? Never made such an argument.
- Never compared Obito to Sasuke. I made several other examples in regards to Tbbs speed. Don't pick up things that favour you and read properly.
- Doesn't matter. Sharingan sees the Chakra output and manages the Enton Output accordingly. Doesn't matter what he uses - Magatama, arrows, or Enton Sword - all FRS are transformed in Sasuke's favour.
- Speculation and hearsay. Show me proof.
- Again nothing but Speculation. Shock-wave would do what to Amaterasu/enton attack eating into the Avatar? Do you even know what Roar means? Yeah, a cry from a single source somehow magically removes Amaterasu from the rest of the Avatar. Seriously? And this you mean-
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? Tsunade accomplished something along these lines with her bare hands as well. I mean, look at this things size. It's not that much bigger than Madara's height.
So now, this petty feat from Naruto somehow equates him grabbing an Enton Coated PS Sword right off the bat? I rest my case.
-No, Sasuke cannot grab it while its coming at him.. Sasuke has not shown to redirect whatever his Enton is controlling, let alone do it in a speed quick enough to hit Naruto.
I have shown you that the Bijuus took much longer to form TBB, all of which had no jinchuriki. They are all made of chakra, but the one who is being controlled was capable of generating one faster than the ones who were being controlled via genjutsu. Moreover, that was four tails Naruto, who was in his four tailed form. Nothing suggests they are remotely equal in any particular way in regards to skill.
-? You are denying manga to solidify your point. That doesn't work. You can see Bee and Naruto fired several TBB's in a row, and you can see in Kurama's panel that two TBB's were right behind each other, further showing it wasn't just done to speed up panels, as he would've only shown one TBB instead of two [
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].. Your argument doesn't hold, unless you are willing to accept that a jinchuriki's TBB can be charged at an extremely fast rate, as shown in that panel, and when Naruto fought many Bijuu's and equaled a TBB to theirs, in a much shorter period of time.
-Unless you are suggesting Naruto will prep his TBB on Sasuke in a distance smaller than 10 meters, your argument once again doesn't hold. Enton sword isn't that big, and it goes after its first hit. Naruto can have clones after all as well... These clones can be focusing Sasuke down considering BM clones can set up big problems for Sasuke. Not that Sasuke will be capable of hitting one in the first place.... Saying Sasuke can ward off a BM/SM clones who are restraining Sasuke with chakra arms (agains a non-coated Susano) and FRS's/Chou Odama Rasengan's while trying to counter multiple TBB's is rather fallacious. You act as if the fight is being made at 5m, and even if it was, Naruto could always leave Sasuke's range at blinding speeds of which Sasuke cannot dream to catch up or come close.
-I answered all the ones you made, saying I didn't read your other examples when I replied to them as rather amusing. That doesn't favour me, you made the argument, I countered. Lets not act that I cannot answer to points you yourself proposed.
-I don't see how it is speculation. Saying Sasuke's PS is equal to Madara's requires your to give me proof. It requires you to bring me proof of Sasuke's PS size, and Sasuke's tanking capabilities/destructive capabilities. Before that, don't give the argument you want proof to show Multiple TBB's destroying PS. Kirin has shown its destructive capacity, hence why Juubilaser is beyond it. Saying you didn't compare Obito with Sasuke is pathetic. When I need no proof to justify a logical argument as anyone else wouldn't. If you want to say Kyuubi's chakra conducts, then again, you are the one who needs proof. It is inaccurate to say my entire point was speculation when the majority of yours are as well.
-When did I say chakra roar removes Amateratsu? Moreover, BM avatar empowered with SM sensing and reaction speed are plausibly capable of dodging the Amateratsu. Avatar being hit by Amateratsu can be removed via extending small chakra arms from the body and shedding that particular point. Why would its size have any significance in the fact that Naruto stopped the momentum of its swipe with a single chakra arm, when he can generate many.
No it does not. It equals Naruto destroying Sasuke's Susano (his PS is featless, his Full Susano hasn't shown such durability feats) with multiple TBB's, when one is likely only required to destroy Sasuke. Naruto BSM, 9 SM clones (who are plausibly shrouded with a kyuubi cloak), 3 BM clones; are easily enough to demolish Sasuke. Sasuke cannot react to 3 FRS's, chakra arms slipping his Susano (if it is lower body Susano), and multiple TBB's. Sasuke cannot do anything against attacks coming from several directions at once with a featless PS.
proof tbb's can break sasuke's susanoo? because we have no feats you can't just claim weakness. I can claim unbreakable defense. how can you prove me wrong?
I understand Amaterasu is very powerful. However, its feats are inconsistent. For instance, the Raikage had Ama on his arm for around 5-10 seconds time, and it didn't spread at all within that window. The more are feats suggesting it doesn't spread fast than ones that say it does.
You don't seem to understand. He can't be hurt by it, because it isn't touching him. Chakra doesn't feel pain, the cloak acts like Susano'o. Sasuke doesn't feel pain just because his Susano'o is hit. Chakra can be disapaited and then reinstated within a couple seconds. Ama is extinguished just like that.
Not to mention Sasuke doesn't have a prayer of hitting Naruto with Ama, since Naruto's SM in BSM senses it and is dodged without much effort.
You can claim that if you want, sure. You'll be made fun of and ridiculed because it's unestablished, but you could.
I understand Amaterasu is very powerful. However, its feats are inconsistent. For instance, the Raikage had Ama on his arm for around 5-10 seconds time, and it didn't spread at all within that window. The more are feats suggesting it doesn't spread fast than ones that say it does.
You don't seem to understand. He can't be hurt by it, because it isn't touching him. Chakra doesn't feel pain, the cloak acts like Susano'o. Sasuke doesn't feel pain just because his Susano'o is hit. Chakra can be disapaited and then reinstated within a couple seconds. Ama is extinguished just like that.
Not to mention Sasuke doesn't have a prayer of hitting Naruto with Ama, since Naruto's SM in BSM senses it and is dodged without much effort.
No, Sasuke cannot grab it while its coming at him.. Sasuke has not shown to redirect whatever his Enton is controlling, let alone do it in a speed quick enough to hit Naruto.
I have shown you that the Bijuus took much longer to form TBB, all of which had no jinchuriki. They are all made of chakra, but the one who is being controlled was capable of generating one faster than the ones who were being controlled via genjutsu. Moreover, that was four tails Naruto, who was in his four tailed form. Nothing suggests they are remotely equal in any particular way in regards to skill.
-? You are denying manga to solidify your point. That doesn't work. You can see Bee and Naruto fired several TBB's in a row, and you can see in Kurama's panel that two TBB's were right behind each other, further showing it wasn't just done to speed up panels, as he would've only shown one TBB instead of two [x].. Your argument doesn't hold, unless you are willing to accept that a jinchuriki's TBB can be charged at an extremely fast rate, as shown in that panel, and when Naruto fought many Bijuu's and equaled a TBB to theirs, in a much shorter period of time.
-Unless you are suggesting Naruto will prep his TBB on Sasuke in a distance smaller than 10 meters, your argument once again doesn't hold. Enton sword isn't that big, and it goes after its first hit. Naruto can have clones after all as well... These clones can be focusing Sasuke down considering BM clones can set up big problems for Sasuke. Not that Sasuke will be capable of hitting one in the first place.... Saying Sasuke can ward off a BM/SM clones who are restraining Sasuke with chakra arms (agains a non-coated Susano) and FRS's/Chou Odama Rasengan's while trying to counter multiple TBB's is rather fallacious. You act as if the fight is being made at 5m, and even if it was, Naruto could always leave Sasuke's range at blinding speeds of which Sasuke cannot dream to catch up or come close.
-I answered all the ones you made, saying I didn't read your other examples when I replied to them as rather amusing. That doesn't favour me, you made the argument, I countered. Lets not act that I cannot answer to points you yourself proposed.
-I don't see how it is speculation. Saying Sasuke's PS is equal to Madara's requires your to give me proof. It requires you to bring me proof of Sasuke's PS size, and Sasuke's tanking capabilities/destructive capabilities. Before that, don't give the argument you want proof to show Multiple TBB's destroying PS. Kirin has shown its destructive capacity, hence why Juubilaser is beyond it. Saying you didn't compare Obito with Sasuke is pathetic. When I need no proof to justify a logical argument as anyone else wouldn't. If you want to say Kyuubi's chakra conducts, then again, you are the one who needs proof. It is inaccurate to say my entire point was speculation when the majority of yours are as well.
-When did I say chakra roar removes Amateratsu? Moreover, BM avatar empowered with SM sensing and reaction speed are plausibly capable of dodging the Amateratsu. Avatar being hit by Amateratsu can be removed via extending small chakra arms from the body and shedding that particular point. Why would its size have any significance in the fact that Naruto stopped the momentum of its swipe with a single chakra arm, when he can generate many.
No it does not. It equals Naruto destroying Sasuke's Susano (his PS is featless, his Full Susano hasn't shown such durability feats) with multiple TBB's, when one is likely only required to destroy Sasuke. Naruto BSM, 9 SM clones (who are plausibly shrouded with a kyuubi cloak), 3 BM clones; are easily enough to demolish Sasuke. Sasuke cannot react to 3 FRS's, chakra arms slipping his Susano (if it is lower body Susano), and multiple TBB's. Sasuke cannot do anything against attacks coming from several directions at once with a featless PS.
- What the heck are you even talking about? Sasuke controls Amaterasu and Enton Variants with this genjutsu eye or with Susano'o hand.
- Nope. All Damas are always charged and require time. Show me a single page with a dialogue on this, when there is none. All BDs have charge times. Look at the point when Naruto countered the tailed beasts - in the entire process actually - whilst dialogues were being used.
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. Don't blow things out of proportion when a lengthy dialogue scheme is right there on the page. Fast indeed.
- You think they fired it off the bat without condensing/compressing chakra when the manga says otherwise? Go on, because this would be interesting. BDs being fired without compressing chakra as your scan proves nothing. This just shows accelerated action nothing more. Look at above scan, if need arises.
- You picked Obito only, disregarded the rest completely. Seems like a ridiculous retort and one without merit.
- You obviously never saw that massive Enton sword Sasuke used. Go and reread those parts.
- Naruto cannot generate more than nine tails and he loses them with Damage, a damage that is not repaired. Where did you even get this idea about replacing damaged tails?
- The damage is still there and the cut off tails still remains -
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- After that, he goes out of Bijuu mode -
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- When did he even comment about repairing it through the course of the entire time he was using BM?
Heck the tail Kakashi cut when he used Kamui was never regenerated through out the fight just like Naruto-
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The tails are the source of a tailed-beasts power and are not regenerated instantly. This was told way back when Sasuke used Amaterasu on Hachibi and cut one of its tails with Chidori.
This whole time, the tails were never replaced.
The rest of your point is nothing but speculation.
Not worth replying to, if you believe a couple of clones with Partial BM Cloak can even scratch PS.
Naruto's chakra only makes things bigger not advance to the next stage such as what sasuke susanoo did when it grew legs also the hole nose in structure change when he put naruto in his ps
Completely unfounded and not supported by canon. Just a poor excuse for Sasuke fanboys.
Bijuu damas are nothing they're either thown back with his susanoo hands or sliced by fly perfect susanoo swords and shot right through with susanoo arrows or enton magatamas roast them his kurama avatar isnt a problem as the susanoo arrow would pierce his cloak keeping up with bsm naruto isnt a problem as he already did when going against obito who is faster than naruto also was flying sasuke wins med diff max
Its called an enter button. I'll reply when you can construct proper sentences like someone that has at least made it to the 5th grade. Not to mention the few ramblings I can make out are just down right insane.
- What the heck are you even talking about? Sasuke controls Amaterasu and Enton Variants with this genjutsu eye or with Susano'o hand.
- Nope. All Damas are always charged and require time. Show me a single page with a dialogue on this, when there is none. All BDs have charge times. Look at the point when Naruto countered the tailed beasts - in the entire process actually - whilst dialogues were being used.
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. Don't blow things out of proportion when a lengthy dialogue scheme is right there on the page. Fast indeed.
- You think they fired it off the bat without condensing/compressing chakra when the manga says otherwise? Go on, because this would be interesting. BDs being fired without compressing chakra as your scan proves nothing. This just shows accelerated action nothing more. Look at above scan, if need arises.
- You picked Obito only, disregarded the rest completely. Seems like a ridiculous retort and one without merit.
- You obviously never saw that massive Enton sword Sasuke used. Go and reread those parts.
- Naruto cannot generate more than nine tails and he loses them with Damage, a damage that is not repaired. Where did you even get this idea about replacing damaged tails?
- The damage is still there and the cut off tails still remains -
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- After that, he goes out of Bijuu mode -
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- When did he even comment about repairing it through the course of the entire time he was using BM?
Heck the tail Kakashi cut when he used Kamui was never regenerated through out the fight just like Naruto-
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The tails are the source of a tailed-beasts power and are not regenerated instantly. This was told way back when Sasuke used Amaterasu on Hachibi and cut one of its tails with Chidori.
This whole time, the tails were never replaced.
The rest of your point is nothing but speculation.
Not worth replying to, if you believe a couple of clones with Partial BM Cloak can even scratch PS.
I can't tell if you are being serious. Sasuke's ability is Enton. Enton has never shown to allow amateratsu to travel in mid-air, or anywhere beyond the solid it is on. If it is on the ground, it can move around, on the ground. If FRS comes at it at high speeds in mid-air, it can move around the FRS projectile, but it will not stop its momentum nor will it change its direction. It can move anywhere around the FRS, but it doesn't change where it is going, unless you have scan which state otherwise. If he can't redirect it, he can't stop the explosion.
-I never claimed they required no charging time, but it depends on the skill of the user to charge the TBB. In the exact scan you linked, Naruto was capable of creating a TBB as big as five other Tailed beats, in a much shorter time. They had already finished charging before he had begun, as you can see when you read what Gai was saying. Your claims won't deny what occurred in the manga. You can claim all you want, Kishi clearly wasn't speeding it up as much as you are making it seem considering there were not one panel with consecutive TBB's, but two panels, implying it was really occurring. He has a fast charge time, fast enough to fire them at extremely rapid rates. So yes, fast indeed.
-Again, where did I say it doesn't require being prepped. The page simply didn't show them being compressed, but obviously they required a short amount of prep, otherwise they would've been simultaneous which is an absurd claim. You are twisting my words, and that isn't helping in your argument. Kishi doesn't have to spoon feed you them compressing each and every TBB, when he already portrayed the first one being compressed rather quickly.
- When Naruto turned into a Mini Four-Tailed Kurama, he condensed the chakra from its tails to create a Flash Dama. It was launched but Orochimaru had enough time to erect three Roshomon gates to reduce the damage.
- Similarly, Deva landed a pillar on Naruto in Six-Tailed Mini-Kurama form when he was still charging the attack to deflect it in his favour.
- When Madara used BD and PS Sword Combination against Hashirama, he evaded it on foot and erected Roshomon gates to change the trajectory. Even in this case, the attack was already launched.
- Minato summoned Bunta on Kurama's head whilst it was still charging and teleported it to a safe location. Similarly, he was able to use S/T Barrier against it very easily when it requires four handseals.
- When Obito used Intangibility against Naruto's BD, he used the terms 'Too Slow'. He had no difficulty in reacting to it whatsoever.
These were your points and I replied to all of them, stop acting as if I only replied to the Obito claim, because that is incorrect. Re-read next time.
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None of which are as large as you are making them seem. I agree Susano Enton sword is pretty big, but it won't be used against something ten meters far away, let alone Naruto creating a distance of 50 meters, in which Sasuke can a) not catch up to b)Not reach without being affected by Kage Bunshins c)would have to deactivate and reactivate Susano incase Naruto decides to create distance the second he sees such a Enton sword.
-Again, never did I say he can replace tails lmao. You've made me realise your comprehension skills aren't as great as they should be. On the other hand, I did say chakra arms, and these arms have not shown to be as special as you make them seem. Moreover, even if one is caught by amateratsu, it can simply be removed/shed by Naruto since he can create chakra arms from anywhere within his body. It won't affect Naruto much, and if this ends up being a amateratsu=shed chakra arms war, then Naruto will handedly beat him via outlasting him.
- Moreover, Sasuke has nothing in which Naruto would actually require his tails as defence, let alone destroy them as the Juubi laser did.
-Juubi's measly dama? You never fail to amuse me. It was a Juubi laser, which would easily best any TBB created by any Biju by a long run, considering it is a laser like dana, instead of a single ball of chakra. Although, once again, never did I claim he could repair damage on his tails, considering they contain the most chakra, and thus have the most durability. This whole argument was about Kirin being tanked effortlessly, and that remains the case. It will not affect his tails to the slightest degree, considering the manga never suggested the Kyuubi's chakra will conduct nor did it suggest such an attack, which is light years below the level of Juubilaser, will have any affect on Kyuubi. Furthermore, now that Naruto has SM enhancing his BM, he has even greater defensive capabilities, which will allow him to take the Kirin with further ease. If you don't recall, even KCM Naruto tanked Tenpen Chii
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If that can tank it, then there is no reason why BM Naruto with SM enhanced durability, let alone BSM avatar cannot tank it with extreme ease.
-Again, I did not claim that the tail will be replace nor shed, thus your entire argument was in vain.
All in all, all Naruto has to do is create BM clones, SM clones which are shrouded with the Kyuubi's chakra since Naruto can pass it on to whomever he wills, and Naruto who is in BSM himself. SM clones can create Odama FRS which will indubitably distract Sasuke, as no one wants to take the attack and act as if nothing happened only because his Susano wasn't demolished. BM clones aren't going to be hit no matter what. They all dodge anything Sasuke has to offer, and they all can use chakra arms to create Mini Bijudamas. All it takes is a Senpō: Chōōdama Rasen Tarengan (maybe a chou odama FRS as well), while some BM clones are attacking from around these mid-air clones, via taking advantage of the flexibility of the chakra arms, and smashing the Susano with mini Bijudamas like
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one, all of which are being distractions for the multiple TBB's coming from the background by BSM Naruto. I don't see how Sasuke wins.
Naruto fanboys will blow his feats out of proportion, Claim anything you state of sasuke is featless, and claim SM multiplies BM to the nth degree to make Naruto godly.
Sasuke fanboys will try to use evidence of feats of similar techniques to be written off, try to make naruto fanboys admit this is at the very least a low diff match to which naruto fanboys will repeat it's a stomp, and attempt to disprove naruto's exaggerated feats.
In the end, naruto fans will claim he stomps sasuke and that SM naruto can beat EMS sasuke. Sasuke fans will claim EMS sasuke = BSM naruto and the thread won't finish. It's what happens in every single one of these threads. These threads are pointless until kishi makes naruto kick sasuke's ass or make sasuke kick naruto's ass.
I can't believe what I'm reading. Since when did Sasuke surpass KCM Naruto and his thousands of clones, let alone BM Naruto, let alone BIJUU SAGE MODE!
Naruto fanboys will blow his feats out of proportion, Claim anything you state of sasuke is featless, and claim SM multiplies BM to the nth degree to make Naruto godly.
Sasuke fanboys will try to use evidence of feats of similar techniques to be written off, try to make naruto fanboys admit this is at the very least a low diff match to which naruto fanboys will repeat it's a stomp, and attempt to disprove naruto's exaggerated feats.
In the end, naruto fans will claim he stomps sasuke and that SM naruto can beat EMS sasuke. Sasuke fans will claim EMS sasuke = BSM naruto and the thread won't finish. It's what happens in every single one of these threads. These threads are pointless until kishi makes naruto kick sasuke's ass or make sasuke kick naruto's ass.
Indeed, but if a person were to look at feats and feats alone, I don't see how Naruto loses. But I won't get into this shit seeing as you don't like these threads.
