EMS Sasuke vs BM Naruto

[RustledJimmies]

@Invisible Man: He probably was talking about physical strength, not overall power. As for durability, they both had an equal amount of damage from the Bijuu Dama's explosion.

And just by looking at the Susano'o armoring Kurama, you can tell that it is a PS; Databook listing it as a Susano'o technique instead of PS technique doesn't disprove that either, as PS is Susano'o. Databook lists Madara as the only PS user, when Rinnegan Sasuke and DMS Kakashi already displayed PS standalone, which proves that Madara being the only user is wrong, so it's not enough to disprove EMS Sasuke having PS.

 

[juzumaki]

Databook lists Madara as the only user, when Rinnegan Sasuke canonically used PS, same with DMS Kakashi.

Are you implying that

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isn't the same as

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like i said before thats not ps

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Magical garb Susano'o (Iso Susano'o)
Ninjutsu kekke genkai close range supplementary
Users: Uchiha Madara/Uchiha Sasuke
Turbulent God, dressed into the gold impregnable armor (likely some kind of mythological armor)!

This jutsu is 9-tailed fox (kuuybi no yoko), sheathed(armored) in clad "Susano'o" armor. Gallantly using weapons that "Susano'o" carry in its front paws(hands),just like the fangs of the predator...!!It also combines the absolute defense and attack power of the "Susano'o" and 9-tails, this jutsu allows the user perfectly utilize different abilities of both (9-tails and Susano'o).
Picture:defense ,that had been invented by Uchiha Madara s "doujutsu" against Hashirama.

Ok,so it is now pretty clear that neither Sasuke nor Madara used Absolute/Complete Susano'o in their battles against obito/Hashirama. It's was just "Susno'o" wrapped around 9-tails. Likely 9-tails physical power allowed to slash that mountains,as Susano'o is only a garb/armor in this jutsu.

 

[RustledJimmies]

like i said before thats not ps

page 233
Magical garb Susano'o (Iso Susano'o)
Ninjutsu kekke genkai close range supplementary
Users: Uchiha Madara/Uchiha Sasuke
Turbulent God, dressed into the gold impregnable armor (likely some kind of mythological armor)!

This jutsu is 9-tailed fox (kuuybi no yoko), sheathed(armored) in clad "Susano'o" armor. Gallantly using weapons that "Susano'o" carry in its front paws(hands),just like the fangs of the predator...!!It also combines the absolute defense and attack power of the "Susano'o" and 9-tails, this jutsu allows the user perfectly utilize different abilities of both (9-tails and Susano'o).
Picture:defense ,that had been invented by Uchiha Madara s "doujutsu" against Hashirama.

Ok,so it is now pretty clear that neither Sasuke nor Madara used Absolute/Complete Susano'o in their battles against obito/Hashirama. It's was just "Susno'o" wrapped around 9-tails. Likely 9-tails physical power allowed to slash that mountains,as Susano'o is only a garb/armor in this jutsu.

*facepalm*

Iso Susano'o is the ability to armor - in this case, the Kyuubi - with Susano'o, it doesn't specify which stage of Susano'o, but just by looking at it, you can tell that it's PS, as it has the same Tengu Nose, same blades, etc. No previous Susano'o shares any of those characteristics.

Not to mention that it doesn't make any sense for Madara to use anything less than his full power against an opponent that's stronger than he is.

 

[lucario14]

I disagree on the their avatars are equal in ridoku form. How can you come to the conclusion that they are equal in speed, power, and durability? Naruto parrying Susanoo Chidori with BD does not make their powers equal because for one Naruto was not attempting to kill Sasuke and two, we all know thats one of the smallest BD he ever made in BM mode and can make ones way way larger, or shoot continuous ones, which he didn't do.

He used 3 same sized bijuudamas

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and his most powerful attack was

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except he added wind style nature into one and I think the gudodama nature into the other, topped off with a massive collection of natural energy to boost his attack. Notice as well after he used those 3 bijuudama with his avatar clones sasuke said this

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So it looks like the max number of bijuudama he could use was 4 up until he acquired the natural energy from yin kurama.

 

[juzumaki]

*facepalm*

Iso Susano'o is the ability to armor - in this case, the Kyuubi - with Susano'o, it doesn't specify which stage of Susano'o, but just by looking at it, you can tell that it's PS, as it has the same Tengu Nose, same blades, etc. No previous Susano'o shares any of those characteristics.

Not to mention that it doesn't make any sense for Madara to use anything less than his full power against an opponent that's stronger than he is.

that was his most powerful at the time

its just kyuubi using susanoo as an armour nothing else

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Nothing changes the fact that Perfect Susano'O is Sasuke's only way of competing with Naruto, In all scenario's. Which is featless on his own. As the only time he ever used it, Naruto's Kurama avatar was fused with it.

Logically, it should be a good deal weaker than Madara's. The reason is Madara's far superior Knead/Release and Doujutsu mastery.

Naruto wins Moderately High diff in scenario 1, and gets a margin easier wit each scenario after.

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Give him the KCC cloak and Juugo, and he's practically equal with BM Naruto. With the exceptions of Flash Bijuudama and Naruto's vastly superior stamina​

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[RustledJimmies]

that was his most powerful at the time

its just kyuubi using susanoo as an armour nothing else

His full power was PS, and it makes absolutely no sense not to use it against someone stronger than he is.

PS is a stage of Susano'o, genius, it isn't a completely different technique, the fact remains that the Susano'o that armoured Kyuubi was PS.

 

[juzumaki]

His full power was PS, and it makes absolutely no sense not to use it against someone stronger than he is.

PS is a stage of Susano'o, genius, it isn't a completely different technique, the fact remains that the Susano'o that armoured Kyuubi was PS.

scan of ems madara using ps in the hashirama fight

 

[RustledJimmies]

scan of ems madara using ps in the hashirama fight

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[juzumaki]

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so perfect susanoo is shaped like 9 tails

this is a Perfect Susanoo

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[RustledJimmies]

so perfect susanoo is shaped like 9 tails

from my knowledge this ps has humanoid features with wings

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Because he changed PS's shape to armor Kyuubi, genius.

>Has the same chin, same armor on the shoulders, same mouth, same blades, etc.
>Isn't PS

I'm done here until you bring me a real argument instead of this evident denial.

 

[juzumaki]

Because he changed PS's shape to armor Kyuubi, genius.

>Has the same chin, same armor on the shoulders, same mouth, same blades, etc.
>Isn't PS

I'm done here until you bring me a real argument instead of this evident denial.

dummy that the point you're not getting thats the for it takes when susanoo covers the kyuubi

without the kyuubi a full suanoo without the kyyubi inside is called perfect susanoo, with the kyuubi inside its called iso susanoo

denial.. seriously ive given you everything you need; data book, manga scan maybe the way im explaining it is difficult for you to understand

 

[Xlad]

S1: Tie or Sasuke wins
S2: Naruto wins at high difficulty
S3: Naruto wins at lesser difficulty

 

[RustledJimmies]

dummy that the point you're not getting thats the for it takes when susanoo covers the kyuubi

without the kyuubi a full suanoo without the kyyubi inside is called perfect susanoo, with the kyuubi inside its called iso susanoo

denial.. seriously ive given you everything you need; data book, manga scan maybe the way im explaining it is difficult for you to understand

Used that brain of yours to think, Iso Susano'o is the ability to armor Kyuubi with Susano'o (which is PS in this case), it isn't a different Susano'o, but just the ability of encasing something with PS.

 

[A v i]

Naruto wins all Scenario's some where b/w mind and high dif.

 

[juzumaki]

Used that brain of yours to think, Iso Susano'o is the ability to armor Kyuubi with Susano'o (which is PS in this case), it isn't a different Susano'o, but just the ability of encasing something with PS.

it is a different form thats what you're not understanding Perect Susanoo and Majestic Garb Susanoo

 

[LuckyMan]

And just by looking at the Susano'o armoring Kurama, you can tell that it is a PS; Databook listing it as a Susano'o technique instead of PS technique doesn't disprove that either, as PS is Susano'o. Databook lists Madara as the only PS user, when Rinnegan Sasuke and DMS Kakashi already displayed PS standalone, which proves that Madara being the only user is wrong, so it's not enough to disprove EMS Sasuke having PS.

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This is the most powerful version of Susanoo Sasuke used without the influence of Juugo or Kurama power. This is EMS Sasukes peak Susanoo. This is PS. Sasukes version is just not as strong as Madaras because like I said, Madara was more seasoned with his EMS powers. I'll try to break this down simple.

This is Madaras legless v4 Susanoo:

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I'm sure you can already tell its larger than Sasukes in the earlier link I posted. Way, way larger actually. Why is this? I believe it is because as I mentioned in a previous post, Susanoos power is based on the users chakra. EMS Madara chakra is way larger and more potent than EMS Sasukes for starters. EMS Madara has more experience in using Susanoo. These factors are why I believe the size difference between them is so drastic.

Sasuke would have to exert a large amount of chakra to grow legs on his v4, possibly an amount he didn't have, or couldn't afford to spare until he got Juugo and Kurama chakra. This wasn't a problem for EMS Madara though, he was in his prime and his chakra was immense. Learning to stabilize a construct that large would be hard for Sasuke. He had just awoken his EMS powers and was still testing them on fodders like Zetsu and the Jubi minions so this was new to him and he would need some practice (Jubito Fight) before hand. This was not the case for Madara as he had EMS for years then.

The manga has showed that the only times legs were formed on Sasuke Susanoo or complete PS was when he was empowered by an outside power (Kurama, Juugo, Hagoromo). The only logical answer we can come to is that chakra was the problem for him and the reason why he's so featless with PS in EMS form. I use to think he never had PS but after doing a lot of research myself, I'm convinced he does have it, but he can't use it to its full power because of his little experience and little chakra and even if he did, it still would be a far cry from Madaras for those same reasons.

 

[Lariatoo]

Meh. They are equals.

 

[ARGUS]

Naruto wins every scenario
I'll explain if need be

 

[UzumakiWade]

Kinda biased restricting Naruto so much.

Sasuke wins first scenario
Stalemates second
Naruto wins third

Unrestricted BM Naruto > EMS Sasuke doe.