EMS Sasuke vs BM Naruto

[KidGamer65]

Location: Valley of the End

Intel: Manga

Starting Distance: 20m

Restrictions: Summoning Jutsu, combination of Kyuubi and Sage powers, any Bijuu Dama above the standard size. Continuous Bijuu Dama is still allowed.

Scenario 2: Bijuu Sized Bijuu Dama is allowed. [

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Scenario 3: Flash Bijuu Dama is allowed.

 

[QdonEms]

why'd you restrict naruto so much?

Sasuke wins this mid-high diff.

 

[KidGamer65]

^ People think BSM Naruto stomps EMS Sasuke, and they think BM Naruto stomps Sasuke. Was wondering what they'd say if I restricted his ginormous Bijuu Dama.

 

[RustledJimmies]

What's the point of restricting Kuchiyose here ? Not like summons are going to be a factor in this fight.

Anyway, the only way we can give a proper answer for this thread is if we scale his PS to Madara's, in which case Naruto wouldn't be able to breach his defenses, considering PS took a point blank Bijuu Dama with no damage, while Sasuke wouldn't be able to breach his defenses either, so he would end up outlasting the 8 minute limit, and then bisecting him with PS. If you don't scale his PS to Madara's, then it gets eradicated due to the sheer lack of feats.

 

[KidGamer65]

Added 2 different scenarios.

What's the point of restricting Kuchiyose here ? Not like summons are going to be a factor in this fight.

I've seen the "Hide Ma and Pa in BM Avatar so they can prep Frog Song for a GG" argument before. Just wanted to prevent that as my intent is for Naruto and Sasuke to fight head to head.

Anyway, the only way we can give a proper answer for this thread is if we scale his PS to Madara's, in which case Naruto wouldn't be able to breach his defenses, considering PS took a point blank Bijuu Dama with no damage, while Sasuke wouldn't be able to breach his defenses either, so he would end up outlasting the 8 minute limit, and then bisecting him with PS. If you don't scale his PS to Madara's, then it gets eradicated due to the sheer lack of feats.

Not only does nothing suggest his Susanoo is so much weaker than Madara's that it'd make a difference, Naruto's Avatar and Sasuke's PS are equal in durability, speed, and strength after getting half of Hagoromo's power. Unless I'm missing some extra factor here, take away half of his power from both of them, and their Avatars are equal again, of course, only in those aspects.

 

[Chazzi]

Sasuke wins mid diff.

 

[RustledJimmies]

What exactly is flash Bijuu Dama ?

 

[Omar19992010]

The only problem I see is how Sasuke is gonna put down Naruto's Kyuubi Avatar when it tanked Juubi's TBB Laser. It's really who has more stamina and it comes down on which can last longer. BM Naruto's Kyuubi Avatar or Sasuke's PS?

 

[KidGamer65]

@RJ: The Bijuu Dama he used on Obito's Bijuu.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Flash Bijuu dama being the kind that 4tailed Naruto use, the same as Bee? I don't see how that does much, even with scaling from one bijuu to the next. A Perfect Susano'o or even Final Susano'o should be able to take it.

I'd say they're on the same tier, strength wise. It's just a miss match, as Naruto's arsenal is a bit of an improvement on Naruto's. His cloak can remove the threat of Amaterasu, with the durability to take anything Sasuke has, including Perfect Susano'o. He has a superior and still fairly quick attack as it is, even if one or two can't finish his Susano'o. Multiple over the course of the battle should be able to.

Naruto wins with medium difficulties, it's just a poor match up for Sasuke.

 

[RustledJimmies]

We didn't even see the explosion of the Bijuu sized Bijuu Dama, but due to its sheer size, I'd say that a a few of those should eventually breach PS. So, Naruto mid-high diff.

Naruto low diffs scenario 3.

Edit: just noticed your edit.

I've seen the "Hide Ma and Pa in BM Avatar so they can prep Frog Song for a GG" argument before. Just wanted to prevent that as my intent is for Naruto and Sasuke to fight head to head.

I see.

Not only does nothing suggest his Susanoo is so much weaker than Madara's that it'd make a difference, Naruto's Avatar and Sasuke's PS are equal in durability, speed, and strength after getting half of Hagoromo's power. Unless I'm missing some extra factor here, take away half of his power from both of them, and their Avatars are equal again, of course, only in those aspects.

I never said it is any weaker, which is why I said "If we scale it to Madara's" (or perhaps I should have said "anywhere near Madara's" instead), because if we go by feats alone, we don't really have anything to work with. I gotta admit that I didn't really consider using the gap between both of their Rikudo enhanced contructs here, if they're indeed equal in durability, then it means that Sasuke's PS durability is superior to Madara's, so scenario one will still be a win for Sasuke, and scenario 2 could honestly go either way depending on how strong this Bijuu sized Bijuu dama is. Naruto still wins scenario 3 though, but it will be mid diff.

 

[juzumaki]

naruto what can ems sasuke actually do he didnt even have ps back according to the databook thats was just the shape it takes when the kyuubi uses it as a armour

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I'd Say Naruto takes it. It isn't like this is EMS Madara. Assuming BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke had equal attacks, that means Naruto's tails=susanoo swing (PS is superior), and it takes an arrow to match a TBB. Rapid TBB is a huge advantage. Ransengans are also good for CQB.

 

[KidGamer65]

I never said it is any weaker, which is why I said "If we scale it to Madara's" (or perhaps I should have said "anywhere near Madara's" instead), because if we go by feats alone, we don't really have anything to work with. I gotta admit that I didn't really consider using the gap between both of their Rikudo enhanced contructs here, if they're indeed equal in durability, then it means that Sasuke's PS durability is superior to Madara's, so scenario one will still be a win for Sasuke, and scenario 2 could honestly go either way depending on how strong this Bijuu sized Bijuu dama is. Naruto still wins scenario 3 though, but it will be mid diff.

I know, I was just explaining my reasoning, looking for your opinion.

 

[RustledJimmies]

I know, I was just explaining my reasoning, looking for your opinion.

I see. What's your opinion on this match though ?

 

[Kamui Sama]

Wasn't EMS Sasuke's susano'o utilizing kurama's chakra the entire time to fight on the level of BSM Naruto? I'm not sure if comparing their rikudou constructs is a good representation of what EMS Sasuke was capable of.

Sasuke got senjutsu from Hagoromo's chakra as well

 

[juzumaki]

Wasn't EMS Sasuke's susano'o utilizing kurama's chakra the entire time to fight on the level of BSM Naruto? I'm not sure if comparing their rikudou constructs is a good representation of what EMS Sasuke was capable of.

and juugos senjutsu chakra

 

[RustledJimmies]

naruto what can ems sasuke actually do he didnt even have ps back according to the databook thats was just the shape it takes when the kyuubi uses it as a armour

Databook lists Madara as the only user, when Rinnegan Sasuke canonically used PS, same with DMS Kakashi.

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[LuckyMan]

Not only does nothing suggest his Susanoo is so much weaker than Madara's that it'd make a difference, Naruto's Avatar and Sasuke's PS are equal in durability, speed, and strength after getting half of Hagoromo's power. Unless I'm missing some extra factor here, take away half of his power from both of them, and their Avatars are equal again, of course, only in those aspects.

Susanoo grows more powerful by the users chakra. Sasuke Susanoo grew with more hate and anger he acquired and his chakra became colder and darker. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say EMS Madara chakra is much stronger than EMS Sasukes. He had more hate, anger, and was at the peak of his life. Sasuke was still a kid and had awoken his EMS powers just hours earlier.

I disagree on the their avatars are equal in ridoku form. How can you come to the conclusion that they are equal in speed, power, and durability? Naruto parrying Susanoo Chidori with BD does not make their powers equal because for one Naruto was not attempting to kill Sasuke and two, we all know thats one of the smallest BD he ever made in BM mode and can make ones way way larger, or shoot continuous ones, which he didn't do.

Databook lists Madara as the only user, when Rinnegan Sasuke canonically used PS, same with DMS Kakashi.

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Actually, when the user wrap Susanoo around a object its listed as a separate move just as Susanoo, not Perfect Susanoo, in the DB and its only users are Sasuke and Madara. Madara is only listed as a PS user though.

 

[lucario14]

Sasuke wins s1.
Stalemate in s2, sasuke's PS slashes would cancel out naruto's bigger bijuudama.
Naruto wins s3

If sasuke could use chidori with his PS then it may be a stalemate as well.