EMS Sasuke vs 3rd Raikage

[Haizaki]

Manga MS Sasuke at his peak has Complete Susanoo.

-Susanoo arrows aren't going to hurt him even if they hit him since it took Nukite to pierce him.

-Susanoo isn't crushing him with any kind of physical force since FRS didn't do anything.

-Amaterasu is his only way, but Sasuke can't use it in rapid succession nor can he use Susanoo and Amaterasu at the same time, and his Enton Projectiles are too slow to hit the Raikage. I've heard the "suffocate him with Amaterasu" argument, but all he needs to do is cover his face with his arms, or turn around so it hits his back instead. Nor will it burn Raikage quick enough for Sasuke to last, due to MS Strain. So that just sets Sasuke up to get shanked by Nukite.

-No Susanoo he can form is going to tank Nukite, which is on another level to FRS since the former ran right through him and the latter didn't do anything to him. Danzo's Fuuton blew a hole in Complete Susanoo, FRS would heavily damage it, enough to render it unusable, but leaving Sasuke alive at the very least, while Nukite tears through it like butter.

Basically Sasuke uses Amaterasu, Raikage blocks his face with his arms and then destroys Sasuke's Susanoo.

If we are talking EMS Sasuke in the thread, but with no Enton and Amaterasu restricted. He still loses as Susanoo can't hurt him, but the Raikage can get past Susanoo. He can't overpower the Raikage nor will Genjutsu put him down, not like he'll ever land Genjutsu on him anyway.

Wow I didn't think about this but yeah this makes a lot of sense.

Though Sasuke can use Susanoo and Amaterasu at the same time

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and considering the Ribcage is a form of Susanoo, I believe he should be able to use the 2 at the same time

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After your explanation, I think the only legit way for him to win is via Genjutsu which is pretty hard to land here.

 

[TRE MERCER]

3rd Raikage is so overrated Raikage said he's only as tough as Steel and Iron combination quit overrating his puny tech. He isn't dodging Amaterasu and who's to say he would even be able to focus while he's on fire? If he decides to rage and just start ******* shit up. Sasuke get's on the hawk and watches as he dies...

 

[KidGamer65]

Wow I didn't think about this but yeah this makes a lot of sense.

Though Sasuke can use Susanoo and Amaterasu at the same time

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and considering the Ribcage is a form of Susanoo, I believe he should be able to use the 2 at the same time

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After your explanation, I think the only legit way for him to win is via Genjutsu which is pretty hard to land here.

Yeah, he can, but when used with Skeletal or above,

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happens. Leaving him wide open for the Raikage's attack. He can do it with Ribcage w/o adverse effects, but having a Ribcage up as a form of defense is useless. Ay was smashing through it, and the 3rd is at least his physical equal, and Nukite would tear through Ribcage as if it weren't even there.

But yeah, Genjutsu is the only way, but I doubt it'll happen, since Ay himself didn't get caught in Madara's Genjutsu until he was distracted. Not to mention if he tries to bind the Raikage with any of his Susanoo variants, they get obliterated with Nukite.

Sasuke can only overpower and obliterate the Raikage with pure force once he gets PS.

 

[KidGamer65]

3rd Raikage is so overrated Raikage said he's only as tough as Steel and Iron combination quit overrating his puny tech.

If he was only as tough as steel FRS would have cut through him like a hot knife through butter.

He isn't dodging Amaterasu and who's to say he would even be able to focus while he's on fire? If he decides to rage and just start ******* shit up. Sasuke get's on the hawk and watches as he dies...

1. No one said he can dodge Amaterasu.

2. Why wouldn't he able to focus while his arms are on fire when Ay was able to focus? And he's nowhere near as durable as his father.

3. The location is a cave, so that jump on hawk trick isn't going to work, as if the Raikage would sit there and let him get on the hawk anyway.

 

[Strict]

KG, I thought you already agreed with Sasuke beating the Sandaime Raikage. EMS Sasuke has no side effects of using his MS. Ay is a lot faster than his father, up t a point the Sharingan can't follow his movements. Not so the Sandaime Raikage, the SA could keep up with by setting up barriers, etc. So Genjutsu is actually a safe option. Sasuke will just get in close combat with the Raikage and immediately cast an illusion on him. I can give you a fine comparison with Sasuke involved. Bee moves with an insane speed and power while using number eight [

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]. As his Sharingan can predict Sandaime's movements well, Amaterasu will also hit the target. With him being able to summon a hawk, he will simply fly out of his range, while the flames will stick to his body until he is burned. The Sandaime has a tough body, but the flames won't stop burning.

And after all, he's also not more durable than a v4 Susanoo.

Edit: Just read the location is a cave, so a hawk is useless. But that's not bad.

 

[TRE MERCER]

If he was only as tough as steel FRS would have cut through him like a hot knife through butter.

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). I think it's quite obvious your overrating FRS cutting force and the jutsu all together... Hell even Temari wind from her fan slashes his skin.(

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1. No one said he can dodge Amaterasu.

2. Why wouldn't he able to focus while his arms are on fire when Ay was able to focus? And he's nowhere near as durable as his father.

3. The location is a cave, so that jump on hawk trick isn't going to work, as if the Raikage would sit there and let him get on the hawk anyway.

Durability has nothing to do with being able to concentrate while being on fire it's simply pain tolerance... Cave L0l what does that mean? Susanoo punches right through it or Manda and Aoda rips it apart...

 

[Haizaki]

Yeah, he can, but when used with Skeletal or above,

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happens. Leaving him wide open for the Raikage's attack. He can do it with Ribcage w/o adverse effects, but having a Ribcage up as a form of defense is useless. Ay was smashing through it, and the 3rd is at least his physical equal, and Nukite would tear through Ribcage as if it weren't even there.

But yeah, Genjutsu is the only way, but I doubt it'll happen, since Ay himself didn't get caught in Madara's Genjutsu until he was distracted. Not to mention if he tries to bind the Raikage with any of his Susanoo variants, they get obliterated with Nukite.

Sasuke can only overpower and obliterate the Raikage with pure force once he gets PS.

True true actually.

 

[KidGamer65]

KG, I thought you already agreed with Sasuke beating the Sandaime Raikage. EMS Sasuke has no side effects of using his MS. Ay is a lot faster than his father, up t a point the Sharingan can't follow his movements. Not so the Sandaime Raikage, the SA could keep up with by setting up barriers, etc. So Genjutsu is actually a safe option. Sasuke will just get in close combat with the Raikage and immediately cast an illusion on him. I can give you a fine comparison with Sasuke involved. Bee moves with an insane speed and power while using number eight [

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]. Yet Sasuke let him come into close range, as his Sharingan enabled him to see through his movements [

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]. As his Sharingan can predict Sandaime's movements well, Amaterasu will also hit the target. With him being able to summon a hawk, he will simply fly out of his range, while the flames will stick to his body until he is burned. The Sandaime has a tough body, but the flames won't stop burning.

When Ay isn't using his Max Shunshin, he isn't faster than his father let alone much faster than him. They are on the same speed tier, yet Madara never caught him in Genjutsu. The third has the same exact fighting style, so Genjutsu isn't happening here. Even if he did catch him in Genjutsu, then what? If we are talking about EMS Sasuke here as I mentioned him, how does he put him down again? Genjutsu is pointless if Sasuke can't finish him off. I suppose that'd work with MS Sasuke though, but then again that assumes he gets caught. Which is doubtful.

And after all, he's also not more durable than a v4 Susanoo.

Feats disagree.

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). I think it's quite obvious your overrating FRS cutting force and the jutsu all together... Hell even Temari wind from her fan slashes his skin.(

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1. What Temari did is irrelevant as Raikage w/ cloak on>>Raikage w/o cloak on in durability, not to mention Temari already confirmed that FRS is above her level of Fuuton, so don't try and debate otherwise.

2. That scan only compares him to steel and iron because of how durable he is, not because he is literally as durable as steel and iron, unless you think steel and iron can tank FRS. Lol.

Durability has nothing to do with being able to concentrate while being on fire it's simply pain tolerance... Cave L0l what does that mean? Susanoo punches right through it or Manda and Aoda rips it apart...

Sure, Susanoo can punch a hole in the cave, but that's where the battlefield is so unless he destroys the whole cave, which he can't do, he is leaving the battlefield thus automatically loses. Manda and Aoda get raped by Nukite, not like they have the physical power to completely obliterate the cave anyway.

 

[TRE MERCER]

When Ay isn't using his Max Shunshin, he isn't faster than his father let alone much faster than him. They are on the same speed tier, yet Madara never caught him in Genjutsu. The third has the same exact fighting style, so Genjutsu isn't happening here. Even if he did catch him in Genjutsu, then what? If we are talking about EMS Sasuke here as I mentioned him, how does he put him down again? Genjutsu is pointless if Sasuke can't finish him off. I suppose that'd work with MS Sasuke though, but then again that assumes he gets caught. Which is doubtful.


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1. What Temari did is irrelevant as Raikage w/ cloak on>>Raikage w/o cloak on in durability, not to mention Temari already confirmed that FRS is above her level of Fuuton, so don't try and debate otherwise.

2. That scan only compares him to steel and iron because of how durable he is, not because he is literally as durable as steel and iron, unless you think steel and iron can tank FRS. Lol.




Sure, Susanoo can punch a hole in the cave, but that's where the battlefield is so unless he destroys the whole cave, which he can't do, he is leaving the battlefield thus automatically loses. Manda and Aoda get raped by Nukite, not like they have the physical power to completely obliterate the cave anyway.

She said that because her fuuton tech is only for slicing while Naruto's can be increased and it explodes after contact unless you can prove she was talking about cutting force then your point is meaningless... Danzo fuuton that ripped Susanoo open was on a much higher scale seeing as the size and Baku added aid to the wind style as well... This Susanoo tanks anything he throws.(

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). L0l he's going to rip Manda apart Lmao... Manda swallows him up and Sasuke sends Manda back to the snake cave gg 3rd Raikage or genjutsu and Chidori spear threw the eye...

 

[KidGamer65]

She said that because her fuuton tech is only for slicing while Naruto's can be increased and it explodes after contact unless you can prove she was talking about cutting force then your point is meaningless... Danzo fuuton that ripped Susanoo open was on a much higher scale seeing as the size and Baku added aid to the wind style as well...

The size is not larger than FRS, nor does adding Baku automatically put it above FRS. Not by hype, or feats, whether you want to go with damaging other, more durable targets, or AoE. FRS briefly incapacitated Kurama, who is more durable than Sasuke's Complete Susanoo.

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Her combined attack fails yet she says FRS might work.

Says its incredibly powerful despite her own technique failing.

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She was talking about power. Point. Blank. Period.

This Susanoo tanks anything he throws.(

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). L0l he's going to rip Manda apart Lmao... Manda swallows him up and Sasuke sends Manda back to the snake cave gg 3rd Raikage or genjutsu and Chidori spear threw the eye...

Not really. Something near FRS's level obliterated a V3. Nukite is on another level to Kirin and FRS, so it'd rip right through a V4. N

He tangled with a Bijuu and survived, Manda doing shit to him is just another joke argument. Manda tries to swallow him, he dodges and cuts him apart with Nukite.

Madara needed a distraction to land Genjutsu on Ay, its not happening here either. Gonna pretend I didn't read that Chidori Spear to the eye nonsense, especially since the cloak will block Chidori Spear with no damage.

 

[Unorthodox]

-Amaterasu is his only way, but Sasuke can't use it in rapid succession nor can he use Susanoo and Amaterasu at the same time,

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Phuck outta hea.

No Susanoo he can form is going to tank

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this susanoo with legs pumbles the 3rd especially since temari's fuuton damaged his skin. Multiple punches and sword slashes gg. nukite is no where near piercing this form of susanoo either. To also add temari along with the rest of the kage summit could not even scratch v2 susanoo let alone a v4. Another example tsunade destroying a ribcage with ease yet could not destroy a bushin using a v3 standing susanoo or even give it a dent also that susanoo is weaker than v3 standing susanoo when used by someone with a real ems not a fake one. Considering Gaara was able to block 5 of them and then a rested Gaara with shakaku could not block one of them with no susanoo behind it. Raikages body gets squashed like danzo's.

If we are talking EMS Sasuke in the thread, but with no Enton and Amaterasu restricted. He still loses as Susanoo can't hurt him, but the Raikage can get past Susanoo. He can't overpower the Raikage nor will Genjutsu put him down, not like he'll ever land Genjutsu on him anyway.

i already explained his gets pushed down on by susanoo at that level furhermore sasuke still has Kirin to do him in aswell. and please explain to me why genjutsu doesnt work the 3rd fights insanely linear he will get caught like bee did going for the attack then once he falls down immobilized he is squashed. And please dont use that Ei argument Madara toyed with them not to mention he never try to use genjutsu on Ei to began with no info genjutsu is 100% happening and even with out he isnt fighting without looking upwards.

cloak will block Chidori Spear with no damage.

Once genjutsu is applyed the cloak is droped

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followed by chidori spear though the brain

 

[Strict]

@KG, Sandaime is no more faster than his son using v1 speed. Sasuke could dodge that. He also dodged Bee's number eight and caught him in a Genjutsu. It's not debatable whether the Sandaime could avoid it.

 

[KidGamer65]

@KG, Sandaime is no more faster than his son using v1 speed. Sasuke could dodge that. He also dodged Bee's number eight and caught him in a Genjutsu. It's not debatable whether the Sandaime could avoid it.

I know that he isn't, but Sasuke catching B in Genjutsu is irrelevant when someone who fights identically to the 3rd didn't get caught until the very moment he was distracted, thus the Raikage isn't getting put in Genjutsu either.

Not to mention all Sasuke can do is dodge the Raikage, which won't last forever since the Raikage still has the speed advantage.

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Phuck outta hea.

Then the Raikage kills him off when he is suffering from backlash. Sasuke dies.

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this susanoo with legs pumbles the 3rd especially since temari's fuuton damaged his skin

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Zero evidence that Temari's Fuuton is weaker than Susanoo's strikes. Not to mention he has his armor on, or are you clowns just going to ignore that. W/ Armor he tanked FRS, unless you have something that shows Susanoo's physical hits>FRS, then the Raikage tanks them, and plows through Susanoo w/ Nukite.

nukite is no where near piercing this form of susanoo either. To also add temari along with the rest of the kage summit could not even scratch v2 susanoo let alone a v4.

Temari didn't use a combined Cast Net, nor was that combined attack anywhere near FRS let alone Nukite. So yeah, no evidence.

Another example tsunade destroying a ribcage with ease yet could not destroy a bushin using a v3 standing susanoo or even give it a dent also that susanoo is weaker than v3 standing susanoo when used by someone with a real ems not a fake one. Considering Gaara was able to block 5 of them and then a rested Gaara with shakaku could not block one of them with no susanoo behind it

This is completely irrelevant as it provides no evidence at all.

Raikages body gets squashed like danzo's.

-Susanoo tries to grab him.
-He dodges and cuts it apart.
-Not to mention Susanoo can't crush him, not when he tanked FRS.

i already explained his gets pushed down on by susanoo at that level furhermore sasuke still has Kirin to do him in aswell.

and please explain to me why genjutsu doesnt work the 3rd fights insanely linear he will get caught like bee did going for the attack then once he falls down immobilized he is squashed. And please dont use that Ei argument Madara toyed with them not to mention he never try to use genjutsu on Ei to began with no info genjutsu is 100% happening and even with out he isnt fighting without looking upwards.

He doesn't need to fight upward to evade Genjutsu.

-Him toying with them is irrelevant.
-The rest is an assumption.

Here are the facts. Ay was fighting perfectly until he was distracted, then he got caught by Genjutsu. Madara had to physically restrain him before he could catch him. Sasuke isn't doing jack to the Raikage.

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followed by chidori spear though the brain

Chidori spear didn't even scratch Ay, Raikage tanks it with or without the cloak.

 

[Benjamin King]

Personally, I don't believe he can since his Raiton shroud isn't tangible, and if he could, he would've done it instead of cutting off his hand. I don't believe he can release chakra from all his Tenketsu merely because of his Raiton shroud, it's more like a cloak than a constant emission of Raiton chakra. Though I could be wrong, just my take on what I've seen from his shroud in the past, and it not being tangible whereas Hyuuga's chakra is tangible and potent to the point where they could change their locus mid-air by exerting chakra from a random place from their bodies.

If him activating his Raiton Armor creates a big enough repulsive force, then yeah. However, I don't think it does, so no, I'm going to say no. Especially since we saw Ay vs Amaterasu, and he ended up amputating instead of blowing it off.

I think the reason for Ay not to blast his Chakra to repel Amatersu, was because his men and Gaara were standing next to him. And we saw when he blasted his Chakra, it reached to Suigetsu [

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]. Shinobi like Hiruzen and Orochimaru were able to create cracks on the ground, Hashirama was able to nearly crack the room; and 3rd Raikage being able to last as long as Hachibi and possessing Bijuu levels of Chakra, his Chakra should able to create a lot of repulsive force.​

 

[Strict]

I know that he isn't, but Sasuke catching B in Genjutsu is irrelevant when someone who fights identically to the 3rd didn't get caught until the very moment he was distracted, thus the Raikage isn't getting put in Genjutsu either.

Not to mention all Sasuke can do is dodge the Raikage, which won't last forever since the Raikage still has the speed advantage.

All false. Since the Sharingan can see through the Sandaime's movements, he will catch him in a Genjutsu. Just like Bee who moved with his number eight towards Sasuke. Even the SA could react to his speed. So why hyping it? Ay was simply a lot faster, too fast for the Sharingan. Which doesn't apply to the Sansdaime. Plus, Sasuke can catch him with his Susanoo and IMMEDIATELY cast the Genjutsu. At least, wenn Susanoo will press him together in its hand up to a point he won't be able to move a single finger. Sandaime can't escape Genjutsu. No matter what you say. Since he has not his son's insane speed.

 

[KidGamer65]

I think the reason for Ay not to blast his Chakra to repel Amatersu, was because his men and Gaara were standing next to him. And we saw when he blasted his Chakra, it reached to Suigetsu [

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]. Shinobi like Hiruzen and Orochimaru were able to create cracks on the ground, Hashirama was able to nearly crack the room; and 3rd Raikage being able to last as long as Hachibi and possessing Bijuu levels of Chakra, his Chakra should able to create a lot of repulsive force.​

Then all he'd have to do is exit the area and do that, no reason why he'd have to cut off his whole arm, and that was Darui's Raiton Chakra on his sword paralyzing Suigetsu, that wasn't the Raikage.

Hiruzen, Hashirama, and Orochimaru cracked it because their chakra's pressure, not because the chakra was pushed outward and caused those cracks.

All false. Since the Sharingan can see through the Sandaime's movements, he will catch him in a Genjutsu. Just like Bee who moved with his number eight towards Sasuke. Even the SA could react to his speed. So why hyping it? Ay was simply a lot faster, too fast for the Sharingan. Which doesn't apply to the Sansdaime. Plus, Sasuke can catch him with his Susanoo and IMMEDIATELY cast the Genjutsu. At least, wenn Susanoo will press him together in its hand up to a point he won't be able to move a single finger. Sandaime can't escape Genjutsu. No matter what you say. Since he has not his son's insane speed.

Seeing through movements=/=Automatically catching opponent in a Genjutsu. So I don't know why you keep on repeating this same point. Ay was fighting w/o his max speed, as you can see by his hair and the lack of sparks around his armor. [

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] So no, Ay's max speed isn't a factor here. Ay, not even at max speed, already told Sasuke Genjutsu isn't going to work on him back at the Kage Summit.

He's already been compared to "V1 Ay" when it comes to speed, and V1 Ay>>Sasuke in movement speed. [

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] Also, what SA members were reacting to his speed? I've seen this claim around, and I'm even guilty of making it myself in the past, only I've never seen anything in the manga supporting it. Before he even moved, Dodai had them preparing Earth Walls. [

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Not a reaction feat. In fact, when he came out, he was slapping them around with his Nukite, and none of them could evade even though he wasn't directly touching them. "

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" says Naruto. SA never reacted to anything.

Ay was combating more, and larger Susanoo than Sasuke's, yet he never got caught, not until he got distracted. No reason to believe someone who shares his fighting style is going to get caught either, especially against one weaker Susanoo in contrast to 5 stronger ones. Not to mention Nukite plows right through it if it tries to grab him.

 

[Xlad]

EMS Sasuke even without Susanoo stills wins. He followed through Juubito's movement, which is levels faster than V1 Third's movements. He'll eventually get tag by Enton Kagutsuchi spikes. That would force him to have no choice but to cut off his affected areas.

 

[TRE MERCER]

The size is not larger than FRS, nor does adding Baku automatically put it above FRS. Not by hype, or feats, whether you want to go with damaging other, more durable targets, or AoE. FRS briefly incapacitated Kurama, who is more durable than Sasuke's Complete Susanoo.

That was all in Naruto's mind it didn't even happen actually. He clearly says Baku increases his power.(

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Her combined attack fails yet she says FRS might work.

Says its incredibly powerful despite her own technique failing.

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She was talking about power. Point. Blank. Period.

My point exactly she was clearly talking about the explosion not it's cutting force his wind style attack his better than hers due to it's cutting and explosive force...

Not really. Something near FRS's level obliterated a V3. Nukite is on another level to Kirin and FRS, so it'd rip right through a V4. N

He tangled with a Bijuu and survived, Manda doing shit to him is just another joke argument. Manda tries to swallow him, he dodges and cuts him apart with Nukite.

Madara needed a distraction to land Genjutsu on Ay, its not happening here either. Gonna pretend I didn't read that Chidori Spear to the eye nonsense, especially since the cloak will block Chidori Spear with no damage.

Danzo tech obliterated a v3? .(

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). Clearly only ripped through 1layer but yea it obliterated it... Nukite is on another level than Kirin a mountain buster? No you don't get it Nukite is nothing but piercing force while FRS is both it's clear that FRS cutting force isn't much. L0l what does that mean? Kid Obito negged diffed Kurama. Suigetsu tangled with a Bijuu as well. Hell MS Sasuke one shotted a Bijuu anything else? He going to tear Manda apart with a 3ft chakra Nukite? Slap yourself... Just because it happened doesn't mean it was absolutely needed just saying... Give me proof that Raikage V1 armor is stronger than Ei's? If im correct Sasuke Chidori pierced Ei's armor. Chidori spear goes straight into his eye.(

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[Strict]

Seeing through movements=/=Automatically catching opponent in a Genjutsu. So I don't know why you keep on repeating this same point. Ay was fighting w/o his max speed, as you can see by his hair and the lack of sparks around his armor. [

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] So no, Ay's max speed isn't a factor here. Ay, not even at max speed, already told Sasuke Genjutsu isn't going to work on him back at the Kage Summit.

He's already been compared to "V1 Ay" when it comes to speed, and V1 Ay>>Sasuke in movement speed. [

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] Also, what SA members were reacting to his speed? I've seen this claim around, and I'm even guilty of making it myself in the past, only I've never seen anything in the manga supporting it. Before he even moved, Dodai had them preparing Earth Walls. [

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] Not a reaction feat.

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Not a reaction feat. In fact, when he came out, he was slapping them around with his Nukite, and none of them could evade even though he wasn't directly touching them. "

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" says Naruto. SA never reacted to anything.

Ay was combating more, and larger Susanoo than Sasuke's, yet he never got caught, not until he got distracted. No reason to believe someone who shares his fighting style is going to get caught either, especially against one weaker Susanoo in contrast to 5 stronger ones. Not to mention Nukite plows right through it if it tries to grab him.

Flawed. You argue with Ay's hair regarding his speed? What does his hair tell about his speed, when the characteristics you mentioned didn't apply to him when he used his maximum speed against Minato? It seems that you pay more attention to details than Kishimoto himself. You imply, that Ay didn't go all out against Madara, while the others where dying. The sparks as well only appear when he increases his speed. Do you see any sparks

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? Who's the clown, you or me? Fact is, that Sasuke reacted to Ay's v1 speed and dodged his attack. This means, Sasuke will also react to the Sandaime Raikage. Raikage never said that Genjutsu are useless against him, he said that his Sharingan is no match to him, which may also referred to the Sharingan's ability to predict movements, which would make more sense as his power is based on speed. Genjutsu are cast easily, as he predicts Sandaime's movements. Just like against Killerbee, he will get in close combat with him and provoke a simple eye contact, which will be enough. I lack to see how you imagine this fight to happen? The Sandaime approaching and massacring Sasuke while looking at the ground? Bee felt twice for Uchihas Genjutsu and Ay looked into the MS before increasing his speed, but the Sandaime will be smarter? I expected more from you than this cheap debating.

And yeah, let's see how Dodai reacted to the Sandaime's speed: [

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How fast Dodai must be, in order to create a shield (useless or not doesn't matter) while the Sandaime was attacking? And you expect less from Sasuke?

Sasuke and the Sandaime will end up in

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situation, with Sasuke provoking eye contact for Genjutsu like

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(though against Bee, the distance was even bigger, leaving more space for Sasuke to dodge), and dodging the attack like

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Deal with it. Just deal with it.

 

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Flawed. You argue with Ay's hair regarding his speed? What does his hair tell about his speed, when the characteristics you mentioned didn't apply to him when he used his maximum speed against Minato? It seems that you pay more attention to details than Kishimoto himself. You imply, that Ay didn't go all out against Madara, while the others where dying. The sparks as well only appear when he increases his speed. Do you see any sparks

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If his hair is up, he is in his V2 state, if not, he isn't in his V2 state. That simple. Ay's hair didn't spike up Vs. Minato because he had a headband on. Every other time besides that, his hair has been up. It wasn't up in that panel, the next or the one before, so he wasn't using his maximum speed.

I didn't imply that Ay didn't go all out. Ay not constantly moving at his top speed=/=Ay going all out, especially since its impossible for him to be constantly moving at his SHUNSHIN speed the whole match.

Who's the clown, you or me?

With the above argument? Definitely you.

B]Fact[/B] is, that Sasuke reacted to Ay's v1 speed and dodged his attack. This means, Sasuke will also react to the Sandaime Raikage.

Never said he wouldn't.

aikage never said that Genjutsu are useless against him, he said that his Sharingan is no match to him, which may also referred to the Sharingan's ability to predict movements, which would make more sense as his power is based on speed. Genjutsu are cast easily, as he predicts Sandaime's movements

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Him being able to follow his opponents movements doesn't automatically mean he'll catch them in Genjutsu. It makes absolutely no sense. Stop with this ridiculous comparison.

Just like against Killerbee, he will get in close combat with him and provoke a simple eye contact, which will be enough. I lack to see how you imagine this fight to happen? The Sandaime approaching and massacring Sasuke while looking at the ground? Bee felt twice for Uchihas Genjutsu and Ay looked into the MS before increasing his speed, but the Sandaime will be smarter? I expected more from you than this cheap debating.

I always laugh when people use this nonsense as a "Genjutsu GG" argument. Ay knew Sasuke was going to use Amaterasu, so no, Genjutsu is out of the question thus there is no danger in looking at his eye.

The only cheap debating going on here, is you openly denying manga canon. Someone with the same fighting style and same speed fought a stronger Uchiha, with a stronger Susanoo, and had more than one of himself on the battlefield, yet Genjutsu wasn't even a factor until he was distracted, even then he had to physically restrained for Madara to cast the Genjutsu, yet you expect me to believe that he'll face Sasuke, and then it'll be Genjutsu GG? Just like Madara's 5 Susanoo clones did to Ay right? Oh wait.....he need a distraction and a way to restrain him.

Not to mention him not looking into Sasuke's eyes=/=Him looking at the ground the whole time, unless you think Sasuke's eyes are everywhere but the ground. If he had to look at the ground to fight against Uchiha, why weren't the Gokage staring at the ground this whole time? Oh wait, I know why.

I should ask you how you think this fight will go. Raikage will charge at Sasuke, Sasuke Genjutsus him and then the fights over? Lol.


This nonsensical Genjutsu wank needs to end. Stop mentioning B when I already have someone identical to his fighting style not getting caught until he was distracted and restrained.

And yeah, let's see how Dodai reacted to the Sandaime's speed: [1][2]

How fast Dodai must be, in order to create a shield (useless or not doesn't matter) while the Sandaime was attacking? And you expect less from Sasuke?

Yes guys, cause I definitely said that Sasuke can't react to his speed. Of course he can react, doesn't mean he'll evade him forever, which is something he won't do. Deidara was capable of reacting to Sasuke's speed, yet he knew that if he stayed on the ground he'd eventually get caught, same exact concept.

Doesn't really help your argument that Sasuke never even evaded V1 Ay's Shunshin, he only evaded his elbow.

Sasuke and the Sandaime will end up in this situation, with Sasuke provoking eye contact for Genjutsu like here (though against Bee, the distance was even bigger, leaving more space for Sasuke to dodge), and dodging the attack like here.

All you've done is repeat this same point over and over again.

Deal with it. Just deal with it.

Genjutsu GG isn't a scenario here. It wasn't with an inferior Raikage and a superior Uchiha. Deal with it. Just deal with it.