EMS Sasuke surpassing EMS Madara

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Sasuke development in utilization of technique, developing his strength, developing his speed is not consistence made by Kish.

Sometime he look slow, sometime very fast, sometime clever and other time very dumb and so on and on.

It like riding a Roller Coaster

Even his motive also is not consistence

any thing about his development feel chaotic and some time lost from my sight unlike Naruto

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Sasuke with EMS is stronger than Madara with EMS. Those are the simple facts.

Sasuke has amaterasu and the ability to control it. Madara with EMS (I'm assuming that when you say with EMS you mean when Madara was still alive at the VOTE), is clearly weaker since he doesn't possess amaterasu nor a means to get rid of it.
 

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Sasuke with EMS is stronger than Madara with EMS. Those are the simple facts.

Sasuke has amaterasu and the ability to control it. Madara with EMS (I'm assuming that when you say with EMS you mean when Madara was still alive at the VOTE), is clearly weaker since he doesn't possess amaterasu nor a means to get rid of it.

Just that?

What about another factor like tactic/strategies from Madara

I don't like a thinking about spamming everything for cheap winning without even analize any other factor

The skills warrior must have strategies even Goku/Vegeta/Light Yagami have strategies

Even for some one as light that more HAX than Sasuke need a strategies to acquired peoples name.

What about Madara that have battle experience over a millennia?

Tactic like feint, diversion, substitution, clone, distraction

This all Madara have learn, just happen Hashirama able to trap him that only Kishi know how.

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EMS Sasuke has no feats of a PS whatsoever.

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EMS Sasuke, even if he couldn't pull it off completely now, given time he will outclass Maddie, as Oro stated.
 

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-Intelligence Madara
-Genjutsu Madara
-Speed Sasuke, not sure
-Strenght Madara
-Power Madara
-Ninjutsu Madara, but Sasuke does have Enton and Amaterasu
-Strategies Madara
-Tactical Madara
-Stamina Madara
-Taijutsu Madara
-Hand seal idk
 

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VOTE Madara=EMS Madara with Kurama

I said vote Madara is because that is the moment that Madara is all out using every of his mastery abilities including EMS.

Put aside Kurama

In the true context here it mean more mature and skillful EMS Madara not the one that still learning EMS Madara where he lose to Hashirama and Tobirama

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Just that?

What about another factor like tactic/strategies from Madara

I don't like a thinking about spamming everything for cheap winning without even analize any other factor

The skills warrior must have strategies even Goku/Vegeta/Light Yagami have strategies

Even for some one as light that more HAX than Sasuke need a strategies to acquired peoples name.

What about Madara that have battle experience over a millennia?

Tactic like feint, diversion, substitution, clone, distraction

This all Madara have learn, just happen Hashirama able to trap him that only Kishi know how.

Peace

Just that is enough, in the sense that Sasuke has a one up on Madara simply by having amaterasu. Sasuke has the ability of amaterasu, and it is an extremely strong ability, no matter how you look at it. He has the ability to use it and never go blind. Tactic and strategies, sure Madara has those for sure. But Sasuke has fought people like Itachi and Danzo, and honestly I would say either of those two are way more strategic than Madara was while he was alive (atleast by the fights we saw). Madara always seemed to be brute strength rather than strategy. His strategy outside of fighting is definitely good though.

Yes spamming something does not make someone powerful. But sasuke is already powerful. His amaterasu is an extremely powerful jutsu and with him being extremely smart and taking advantage of every situation presented to him, it is likely that Madara will get burned in a fight and have no counters to amaterasu. Obito right after unlocking kamui spammed the shit out of it and was able to beat so many people instantly that even kakashi didn't have a chance of fighting by himself (he had mokuton as well, but it was the spamming of an op move like kamui that allowed him to live, and at the time Obito had like 0 tactical ability).

Warriors must have skills, and Goku and Vegeta are battle geniuses. Light is a strategic and all around mental genius. But to be honest, Goku and Vegeta hardly have a good strategy. As saiyans there need to fight people always gets in there way of making a plan that would actually be more beneficial. A good example is there complete ability to be able to find the androids and stop dr. gero from finishing them, instead they went with fighting and it got vegeta's arm broken and left several people near dead.

Amaterasu alone doesn't make him more powerful than madara, it is the fact that he has that power over Madara that makes him more powerful than EMS madara. If EMS Madara had the same amaterasu, he would be more powerful than Sasuke. But he doesn't.
 

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A legend like Madara should not be put in the same rank as EMS Sasuke.
 

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Just that is enough, in the sense that Sasuke has a one up on Madara simply by having amaterasu. Sasuke has the ability of amaterasu, and it is an extremely strong ability, no matter how you look at it. He has the ability to use it and never go blind. Tactic and strategies, sure Madara has those for sure. But Sasuke has fought people like Itachi and Danzo, and honestly I would say either of those two are way more strategic than Madara was while he was alive (atleast by the fights we saw). Madara always seemed to be brute strength rather than strategy. His strategy outside of fighting is definitely good though.

Yes spamming something does not make someone powerful. But sasuke is already powerful. His amaterasu is an extremely powerful jutsu and with him being extremely smart and taking advantage of every situation presented to him, it is likely that Madara will get burned in a fight and have no counters to amaterasu. Obito right after unlocking kamui spammed the shit out of it and was able to beat so many people instantly that even kakashi didn't have a chance of fighting by himself (he had mokuton as well, but it was the spamming of an op move like kamui that allowed him to live, and at the time Obito had like 0 tactical ability).

Warriors must have skills, and Goku and Vegeta are battle geniuses. Light is a strategic and all around mental genius. But to be honest, Goku and Vegeta hardly have a good strategy. As saiyans there need to fight people always gets in there way of making a plan that would actually be more beneficial. A good example is there complete ability to be able to find the androids and stop dr. gero from finishing them, instead they went with fighting and it got vegeta's arm broken and left several people near dead.

Amaterasu alone doesn't make him more powerful than madara, it is the fact that he has that power over Madara that makes him more powerful than EMS madara. If EMS Madara had the same amaterasu, he would be more powerful than Sasuke. But he doesn't.

Only arguments about Ama, that peoples will use here to counter Madara

I can't said much in behalf of Madara to counter it or having any straight ability/jutsu to counter it

Because if I said that he have Ama counter, it sure will become NLF or empty speculation without proof

And you will not like it and will start a flame war between us.

But I still is on my stance that apart from lacking a direct counter for Ama

Madara will use tactical jutsu like substitution jutsu to surprise Sasuke in given situation.

To sum it up. I'm pick Madara here to fight Sasuke with using a lot of tactical base jutsu to enable Madara to keep closer to Sasuke.

Also I'm relay upon distraction strategy for Madara keep out from instant Ama

That all is the chance for Madara to win

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EMS MADARA >>>>> EMS SASUKE


and the funny thing is, we don'T even know what his MS Skill is Lol
 

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And ? He covered half Kurama.....not a big deal
 

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Sasuke would for sure have surpassed Madara (EMS), maybe in 2 or 3 years even if he never gained powers from Hagoromo.
 

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Can Uchiha Geishi(War Fan) defend Madara from Amaterasu.

Or deflect Ama power

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How would VOTE Madz deal with Amaterasu without chakra absorption?

There's only so many times that you can take your armour off, i.e. once.

susanno .
 

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Madara:

-Intelligence 5
-Genjutsu 4.5
-Speed 5
-Strenght 5
-Power 5
-Ninjutsu 5
-Strategies 4
-Tactical 3
-Stamina 5
-Taijutsu 5
-Hand seal 5

EMS Sasuke:

-Intelligence 5
-Genjutsu 4.5
-Speed 5
-Strenght 5
-Power 5
-Ninjutsu 5
-Strategies 3
-Tactical 4
-Stamina 5
-Taijutsu 4.5
-Hand seal 5
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-Intelligence - Tie
-Genjutsu - Tie
-Speed - Tie
-Strenght - Tie
-Power - Tie
-Ninjutsu - Tie (But Sasuke is superior since he has Amaterasu)
-Strategies - Madara is 1 higher
-Tactical - Sasuke is 1 higher
-Stamina - Tie
-Taijutsu - Madara wins by .5 (Madara is on par with Itachi in Taijutsu, Sasuke got wrecked by Itachi)
-Hand seal - Tie


Madara overall wins by .5, but Sasuke has Amaterasu.
 
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EMS Itachi would solo both neg diff, he would be too OP.He was so powerful Kishi had to kill him off Via Aids.
 
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