EMS Sasuke can beat BM Naruto[Read exactly, can beat<>winner]

[AlphaScythian]

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Yes sasuke has a chance.

Naruto cant fire huge tbbs at close range cuz it will back fire at him, small tbbs wont do shit madara survived blast over dozens tbbs plus budda hands and 25% of susanoo got left.

BM is legged susanoo level durability as seen vs jin obito PS is far above that in durability and can match bsm easily.

Chakra roar wont do shit vs amaterasu. Ama spawn doesnt, we can see how sasuke ignited his hand from inside the ice same shit awaits bsm avatar and naruto has no counter to that especially if sasuke uses continuous amaterasu and adds some enton shots from outside.

PS slashes are much faster attack then tbbs and probably more effective as its cutting damage.

The most credible way for naruto is giant tbb from safe distance but it takes time to charge just enough for ama and some PS slashes.

And i lolled at frog katas what are those gonna do to susanoo lol? Are you implying that bsm avatar gonna make those on whole new scale? Cuz its like saying PS will go chidori and its variant lol

And i lol at rasengan barrages or FRS from clones only giant FRS has a chance of scratching PS. Get it into your heads tbb>frs.
Not to mention that legged susanoo easily dodges that with one jump lmao.

 

[lanakui8]

Kyuubi cloak doesn't increase defense it makes the techniques more powerful it only protects the person that have it if Naruto makes it do it like when Shikamaru was about to die. The senjutsu only made him able to hit Jin Obito.

If the kyuubi cloak makes a technique more powerful, then obviously it's going to make susanoo more powerful which increases both susanoo's defensive and attacking properties.
Senjutsu was explicitly stated to greatly power up ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu, susanoo is a ninjutsu therefore a senjutsu susanoo is far stronger than a normal susanoo.
The kyuubi cloak was completely destroyed by Obito's attack, which means all of its chakra was used in order to protect both juugo and sasuke against the attack.

So nope, none of those baseless assertions you've just made resemble anything canonical.

Naruto cant fire huge tbbs at close range cuz it will back fire at him, small tbbs wont do shit madara survived blast over dozens tbbs plus budda hands and 25% of susanoo got left.

Naruto's super sized TBB won't instantly explode when it hits sasuke's PS, it would carry his PS far away and then explode. Not only that but we've seen Naruto and the kyuubi can fire bijuudamas that explode outwardly and therefore the user would not be caught in the blast.

Madara's PS was never hit by any small TBBs, the bombs traveled far away from his PS before exploding and they exploded away from his PS resulting in his PS not being within the blast radius. Plus EMS Madara's PS >> EMS Sasuke's PS as Sasuke's PS is far smaller, is less developed and only holds one inferior sword.

BM is legged susanoo level durability as seen vs jin obito PS is far above that in durability and can match bsm easily.

BM is on the same level of durability as a legged susanoo enhanced by yin+yang kurama's chakra cloak + Sasuke being protected by the kyuubi chakra cloak. BM >>>> legged susanoo w/o those enhancements in the durability department. Not only that, but Sasuke's attacks have to get through NAruto's tails before they even harm naruto.

BSM Naruto is on a whole nother level of durability.

Chakra roar wont do shit vs amaterasu. Ama spawn doesnt, we can see how sasuke ignited his hand from inside the ice same shit awaits bsm avatar and naruto has no counter to that especially if sasuke uses continuous amaterasu and adds some enton shots from outside.

What is the bolded based on? Sasuke's ignited amaterasu a foot infront of his face while covered in ice, how does that translate to sasuke being able to spawn amaterasu inside someone else's chakra avatar who's fighting 50+ meters away while inside his own chakra avatar? Sasuke tries amaterasu, Naruto ends him with a nuke.

PS slashes are much faster attack then tbbs and probably more effective as its cutting damage.

based on what are PS slashes much faster than tbbs? Only direct hits with the slashes are going to be more effective as the shockwaves spread their power across the entire arc.

The most credible way for naruto is giant tbb from safe distance but it takes time to charge just enough for ama and some PS slashes.

Naruto can charge his giant TBB

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, amy is blocked by the avatar assuming sasuke can even use that technique while he's covered in a chakra construct. Not only that but sasuke won't even be able to see Naruto as there will be a giant TBB in his way, PS slashes get tanked by tails, more likely his PS arms get grabbed and restrained by NAruto's tails.

And i lol at rasengan barrages or FRS from clones only giant FRS has a chance of scratching PS. Get it into your heads tbb>frs.
Not to mention that legged susanoo easily dodges that with one jump lmao.

Tbb > Frs
Bijuusennin mode Chou oodama FRS >> normal TBB, Sasuke's PS would take a lot of damage from a COFRS.
Jumping would be the stupidest thing Sasuke could do against Naruto, as Naruto would simply end him with a super TBB since he's unable to dodge.

 

[Styles]

If the kyuubi cloak makes a technique more powerful, then obviously it's going to make susanoo more powerful which increases both susanoo's defensive and attacking properties.
Senjutsu was explicitly stated to greatly power up ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu, susanoo is a ninjutsu therefore a senjutsu susanoo is far stronger than a normal susanoo.
The kyuubi cloak was completely destroyed by Obito's attack, which means all of its chakra was used in order to protect both juugo and sasuke against the attack.

So nope, none of those baseless assertions you've just made resemble anything canonical.

Naruto - Sasuke you do know Senjutsu only works on the enemy right?
Sasuke - Don't put me on the same level as you Juugo only gave his susano'o senjutsu to hit Obito it never made his susano'o more durable Kyuubi cloak only make a technique stronger it doesn't give a denfense unless Naruto makes it into a defense how is that hard to get? see here Naruto is making the chakra into a defense he also made it into a defense to protect Shikamaru from dying.

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[lanakui8]

Naruto - Sasuke you do know Senjutsu only works on the enemy right?
Sasuke - Don't put me on the same level as you Juugo only gave his susano'o senjutsu to hit Obito it never made his susano'o more durable

how in the world does Sasuke enhancing his susanoo with juugo's senjutsu in order for him to hit Obito = juugo's senjutsu for some reason no longer operates by the manga cannon explanation of senjutsu and it enhancing ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu?

If i add red chili powder into a cooking mix in order to make the mix red, does that suddenly mean that the red chili powder will no longer taste like chili powder or won't be spicy?

So nope, nothing in the manga implies that Sasuke's susanoo was not enhanced by juugo's senjutsu.

Kyuubi cloak only make a technique stronger it doesn't give a denfense unless Naruto makes it into a defense how is that hard to get? see here Naruto is making the chakra into a defense he also made it into a defense to protect Shikamaru from dying.

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So you agree that the kyuubi cloak enhanced Sasuke's technique called Susanoo? Then obviously it made susanoo stronger.

None of those scans you've given are a shred of positive evidence for your case. What you have to do is show that someone takes just as much damage through the shroud as they would have done without the shroud. Plus, even if you could prove your argument to be true, all it would mean is that Naruto made the cloaks into a defense before Sasuke and juugo hit the ground just like he made them into a defense before tenpen chii hit, and thus it would explain why the cloak is gone immediately after juugo and sasuke take the hit.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Kyuubi cloak doesn't increase defense it makes the techniques more powerful it only protects the person that have it if Naruto makes it do it like when Shikamaru was about to die.

false. Naruto has used the chakra cloak to increase the def of the alliance at least twice: when Madara and Obito used their Katon jutsu simultaneously, and when the Juubi used its Tenpenchii atk.

 

[V h o]

Not really sure honestly, only thing I can say EMS Sasuke has over BM Naruto is PS, which is basically featless unless given his tomoe rinnegan or Madara's PS feats.

 

[antwquan]

false. Naruto has used the chakra cloak to increase the def of the alliance at least twice: when Madara and Obito used their Katon jutsu simultaneously, and when the Juubi used its Tenpenchii atk.

how in the world does Sasuke enhancing his susanoo with juugo's senjutsu in order for him to hit Obito = juugo's senjutsu for some reason no longer operates by the manga cannon explanation of senjutsu and it enhancing ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu?

If i add red chili powder into a cooking mix in order to make the mix red, does that suddenly mean that the red chili powder will no longer taste like chili powder or won't be spicy?

So nope, nothing in the manga implies that Sasuke's susanoo was not enhanced by juugo's senjutsu.




So you agree that the kyuubi cloak enhanced Sasuke's technique called Susanoo? Then obviously it made susanoo stronger.

None of those scans you've given are a shred of positive evidence for your case. What you have to do is show that someone takes just as much damage through the shroud as they would have done without the shroud. Plus, even if you could prove your argument to be true, all it would mean is that Naruto made the cloaks into a defense before Sasuke and juugo hit the ground just like he made them into a defense before tenpen chii hit, and thus it would explain why the cloak is gone immediately after juugo and sasuke take the hit.

The scans he showed clearly shows Naruto making the cloak into a defense and you still denying it.

 

[lanakui8]

The scans he showed clearly shows Naruto making the cloak into a defense and you still denying it.

Reread EXACTLY what I typed. Show me where I stated or implied Naruto in those scans is NOT making the cloak into a defense.

 

[Styles]

how in the world does Sasuke enhancing his susanoo with juugo's senjutsu in order for him to hit Obito = juugo's senjutsu for some reason no longer operates by the manga cannon explanation of senjutsu and it enhancing ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu?

If i add red chili powder into a cooking mix in order to make the mix red, does that suddenly mean that the red chili powder will no longer taste like chili powder or won't be spicy?

So nope, nothing in the manga implies that Sasuke's susanoo was not enhanced by juugo's senjutsu.




So you agree that the kyuubi cloak enhanced Sasuke's technique called Susanoo? Then obviously it made susanoo stronger.

None of those scans you've given are a shred of positive evidence for your case. What you have to do is show that someone takes just as much damage through the shroud as they would have done without the shroud. Plus, even if you could prove your argument to be true, all it would mean is that Naruto made the cloaks into a defense before Sasuke and juugo hit the ground just like he made them into a defense before tenpen chii hit, and thus it would explain why the cloak is gone immediately after juugo and sasuke take the hit.

Those scans no one took damage because Naruto made the cloak protect them look at Choji's comment then look at Sakura's it obvously was Naruto that made it protect them not the cloak itself and I never said the senjutsu didn't make his susano'o stronger i said i didn't increase his defense which you said it does Senjutsu increases nin-tai-gen not defense.

 

[lanakui8]

Those scans no one took damage because Naruto made the cloak protect them look at Choji's comment then look at Sakura's it obvously was Naruto that made it protect them not the cloak itself

Where am I denying that naruto made the cloak larger in order to protect them from the attack? Since when does the cloak being enlarged = it wouldn't increase a person's defenses when not enlarged? Not only that, but Naruto used up all the chakra of Sasuke and juugo's cloaks in order to protect them else, they wouldn't have been shown cloakless after being hit by obito's attack.

and I never said the senjutsu didn't make his susano'o stronger i said i didn't increase his defense which you said it does Senjutsu increases nin-tai-gen not defense.

Susanoo is a ninjutsu. Senjutsu increases the power of ninjutsu, therefore why would it not increase both the defensive and offensive properties of a defensive and offensive technique like susanoo?

 

[antwquan]

Reread EXACTLY what I typed. Show me where I stated or implied Naruto in those scans is NOT making the cloak into a defense.

Yes you did you said post a scan of that someone takes the same amount of damage without the cloak choji said without it they would be roasted and Sakura commenting on he's hurting himself making the cloak protect them.

 

[lanakui8]

Yes you did you said post a scan of that someone takes the same amount of damage without the cloak choji said without it they would be roasted and Sakura commenting on he's hurting himself making the cloak protect them.

Then you didn't comprehend what I meant by that statement you are referring to. Sure expanding the cloak increases the defenses of the cloak, however does that mean that the cloak without being expanded offers no defensive increase to the user? That's what I meant when I said post the scan of that.

 

[Styles]

Where am I denying that naruto made the cloak larger in order to protect them from the attack? Since when does the cloak being enlarged = it wouldn't increase a person's defenses when not enlarged? Not only that, but Naruto used up all the chakra of Sasuke and juugo's cloaks in order to protect them else, they wouldn't have been shown cloakless after being hit by obito's attack.


Susanoo is a ninjutsu. Senjutsu increases the power of ninjutsu, therefore why would it not increase both the defensive and offensive properties of a defensive and offensive technique like susanoo?

He didn't make the chakra bigger to block the fire he made it into a defense against those Kunai and magatama's he made the chakra block them if the chakra itself gave defense then it wouldn't be of any need for him to do that.

 

[antwquan]

Then you didn't comprehend what I meant by that statement you are referring to. Sure expanding the cloak increases the defenses of the cloak, however does that mean that the cloak without being expanded offers no defensive increase to the user? That's what I meant when I said post the scan of that.

Actually if it provided a defense then why would Naruto control the cloak to protect the SA twice

 

[lanakui8]

He didn't make the chakra bigger to block the fire he made it into a defense against those Kunai and magatama's he made the chakra block them if the chakra itself gave defense then it wouldn't be of any need for him to do that.

He did make the chakra bigger to block the fire, we explicitly see the cloaks expand in the scan that you provided.

Sure he used the cloaks in order to deflect the magatama and kunai.

For the third time, how does that show the cloaks possess no defensive properties apart from naruto manipulating them? How does that show naruto didn't expand them or turn them into some kind of defense in order to protect juugo and sasuke from obito's attack?

Actually if it provided a defense then why would Naruto control the cloak to protect the SA twice

IDK, maybe because..... naruto controlling them provides an even BETTER defense?

 

[Styles]

He did make the chakra bigger to block the fire, we explicitly see the cloaks expand in the scan that you provided.

Sure he used the cloaks in order to deflect the magatama and kunai.

For the third time, how does that show the cloaks possess no defensive properties apart from naruto manipulating them? How does that show naruto didn't expand them or turn them into some kind of defense in order to protect juugo and sasuke from obito's attack

Cloak is the same size it's always been then they was getting hurt and that's when Naruto made it bigger and gave them a defense. why else would Choji make that comment.?

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[lanakui8]

Cloak is the same size it's always been then they was getting hurt and that's when Naruto made it bigger and gave them a defense. why else would Choji make that comment.?

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Chouji made the comment to tell us that without the cloak, he would have been killed which is pretty much exactly what I'm saying.

Naruto expanded the cloak to protect them from the katon, at best all that implies is that had the cloak not been expanded, they would have suffered damage from the katon or it would not have protected them as well against it. What you are saying that the cloak not expanded = the SA without the cloak at all which is not implied by anything in the manga.

 

[Styles]

Chouji made the comment to tell us that without the cloak, he would have been killed which is pretty much exactly what I'm saying.

Naruto expanded the cloak to protect them from the katon, at best all that implies is that had the cloak not been expanded, they would have suffered damage from the katon or it would not have protected them as well against it. What you are saying that the cloak not expanded = the SA without the cloak at all which is not implied by anything in the manga.

Then explain Sakura's comment Naruto gave that cloak a defense if it didnt't then why would Sakura say that and be worried.....Also when Obito grabbed Sasuke and Naruto the cloak is gone

look here. which means his TSB absorbed that chakra cloak his PS took that damage without a cloak.

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[lanakui8]

Then explain Sakura's comment Naruto gave that cloak a defense if it didnt't then why would Sakura say that and be worried.....Also when Obito grabbed Sasuke and Naruto the cloak is gone

Sakura is worried because manipulating that much chakra is strenuous on naruto when he's doing things like making tails and slapping away hundreds of projectiles... how does that show that the cloaks provide zero defensive properties while they are not manipulated?

look here. which means his TSB absorbed that chakra cloak his PS took that damage without a cloak.

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TSB don't absorb chakra, they destroy things that it comes into contact with. The TSB never touched the cloaks around sasuke and juugo and therefore it didn't absorb those chakra cloaks.

The cloaks aren't shown in those scans simply because kishi doesn't always draw them while sasuke is in his susanoo:

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[Styles]

Sakura is worried because manipulating that much chakra is strenuous on naruto when he's doing things like making tails and slapping away hundreds of projectiles... how does that show that the cloaks provide zero defensive properties while they are not manipulated?


TSB don't absorb chakra, they destroy things that it comes into contact with. The TSB never touched the cloaks around sasuke and juugo and therefore it didn't absorb those chakra cloaks.

The cloaks aren't shown in those scans simply because kishi doesn't always draw them while sasuke is in his susanoo:

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The scan i posted i don't see why Kishi would forget to draw the cloak if he drew the senjutsu around it.
Also TSB doesn't destroy anything unless it's with onmyoton to cancel Ninjutsu which is yin/yang release.