EMS Madara vs BM Minato
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Kurama was significantly hurt and paralysed temporarily by a Senpou Futon: Rasenshuriken. Perfect Susanoo produces multiple times fold the cutting energy than that of Rasenshuriken. One slash completely bisects the cloak, and Minato is then sliced to a pool of blood.
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EMS Madara wins high difficulty...
Speed isn't a problem for Madara when another EMS could see Juubito movements. A weaker version of Juubito countered KM Minato while his head was in another area. BM only last for about 8mins in this time he isn't getting rid of Madara. Bijuudama's gets hit with mountain buster shockwaves causing them to explode before they even reach him. Once the 8min time is up Ps obliterates Minato.
Speed isn't a problem for Madara when another EMS could see Juubito movements. A weaker version of Juubito countered KM Minato while his head was in another area. BM only last for about 8mins in this time he isn't getting rid of Madara. Bijuudama's gets hit with mountain buster shockwaves causing them to explode before they even reach him. Once the 8min time is up Ps obliterates Minato.
Umm no he cant,
Susanoos power depends on the power of the users chakra,
Sasuke with Yin and Yang kurama cloak + Senjutsu + Sasukes own chakra >>>>>>>>>>> Sasukes own chakra
so even if sasuke uses legged susanoo, itll be garbage compared to what he manifested against juubito
Lol Wrong, very very wrong,
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, and Madaras
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and pushed him back to an extent where
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both of the attacks are nothing infront of
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so a single TBB eradicates V3 and sasuke along with it whats worse is that Hachibi tanked his own TBB not once but twice, and Kirin (which is inferior to TBB) canonically raped V4 susanoo, so by logic, a stronger attack would clown a weaker susanoo,
and this also leads to the conclusion that hachibis durability >>> V3 susanoos
And the same susanoo was also six path enhanced, yet the direct slash was blocked with no damage whatsoever
take away the enhancements, and madaras PS slashes are also blocked with little to no damage
and the kurama avatar tanked
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so a PS slash overwhelming the avatar is either fanfic or just flat out stupid
Except the kurama avatar >>> conttrolled kurama
kurama avatar matched not one but 5 Bijuu interms of firepower, and madara resorting to use kuramas TBB isntead of his own PS slashes at VOTE is a clear indication that kuramas TBB have greater firepower than his PS slashes
heck the only thing he used offensively from PS were to coat kuramas TBB so that SS doesnt slam them back at him,
so the kurama avatar eradicates PS with continous TBB
one TBB from an inferior entity was tanked,
doesnt mean that multiple TBB from a superior entity would be tanked
Lol Size =/= Power,
Lol PS was busted by a chojo kobetsu that lost over 90% of its arms, after going through 11 PS-infused TBB
so multiple TBB eradicate PS just fine,
and juubi beam >>>>>> PS slashes, so PS doesnt do shit
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Minato wins without much terrible.
PS is useless as we saw Kurama's tails are more than enough to stop PS's slashes. The moment they made contract a chakra link would be created, and Madara would be a toy in Minato's hand teleport him wherever he wants. Not to mention Minato can teleport a Susanoo user out of it as he did to Sasuke.
Even if Madara is able to summon full Kurama he still loses as Minato contract seal would free him. If Madara tried to use the slashes the same way he used against Hashirama, and S/T barrier would redirect all of that back to him.
He is helpless here.
PS is useless as we saw Kurama's tails are more than enough to stop PS's slashes. The moment they made contract a chakra link would be created, and Madara would be a toy in Minato's hand teleport him wherever he wants. Not to mention Minato can teleport a Susanoo user out of it as he did to Sasuke.
Even if Madara is able to summon full Kurama he still loses as Minato contract seal would free him. If Madara tried to use the slashes the same way he used against Hashirama, and S/T barrier would redirect all of that back to him.
He is helpless here.
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im not sure what you are trying to say. narutos chakra empowered him to the point where he could use a legged susano. the legged susano itself was the boost. after that, sasuke could use it whenever he wants even without the chakra.
Ei was able to chop off the hachibis horn, the same horn that wasnt destroyed by its bijudama, yet Ei couldnt break susano.
you are equating ms susano to ems susano. your example falls flat. you also cannot prove that madaras susano was destroyed. madara was sent back far enough to where he could no longer control the mokuryu.
this has nothing to do with how damaged he was. its just like madara not being able to control his truthseekers after a certain distance has been exceeded.
nonsense since Ei could mutilate the hachibi but couldnt break susano which means that the hachibis durability is a joke compared to susano.
stop scaling ms susano to an ems susano in durability. kirin didnt destroy V4 susano, it destroyed V2 susano.
PS wields the same power with or without the rinnegan. it gains IT resistance when its user wields the rinnegan. thats it. feats dont support the rinnegan making a slash of PS any more powerful.
the PS that matched a six paths boosted kurama would have matched it with or without the rinnegan, just like indras PS matching asuras six paths senjutsu battle avatar despite indra himself not receiving hagoromos power.
because 2 brains are better than one.
kurama doesnt need a jin to use the bijudama that matched the biju. the hachibi marveled about how strong kurama was when he matched the bijudama, not how strong naruto is. kuramas bijudama are just as powerful with or without naruto. naruto can use kuramas power more efficiently. that is the extent of the "jinchuriki boost".
he still used normal PS slashes to cut hashiramas wooden hands which is something that kurama cannot counter. combining the cutting power of a PS blade with bijudama proves that kuramas bijudama is superior? thats your bias talking.
the explosive power of a bijudama doesnt stack when fired separately. if one bijudama is tanked with no damage, firing multiple bijudama of the same caliber wont change that.
you didnt prove that kuramas bijudama is weaker when he doesnt have a jin. the very notion is nonsense.
where are you getting your statistic from? the majority of the arms were destroyed after PS was hit by chojo kebetsu.
chojo kebetsu is stronger than any bijudama coming from kurama anyway.
the fact that the juubis laser took off kuramas tails shows that the beam is beyond what kurama can tank. PS slashes eradicate kurama just fine.
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is a fox standing on 2 feet the size of a chinese samurai no Kurama is much smaller than perfect susanoo
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It Was Debated So Many Times Till Now,Minato Wins All The Time.
A Teleporting Kurama Screws PS As Simple As That...
A Teleporting Kurama Screws PS As Simple As That...
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are we really gonna try to compare a real life samurai to a real life fox Lol
They are the same size:
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Kurama is huge, when it stands tall on 2 feet, of course its height will be comparable to PS. It literally doubles on size when it stands on 2 feet. Most 4 legged animals that stand tall on their two back hind legs, become more than twice as tall than their standard 4 legged height. Both Madara and Sasuke's PS were able to fit Kurama perfectly. So thei size difference isn't all that different.
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nope.
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normal kurama is the same size as V3 susano which fits inside the head of PS.
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the scan you posted shows a six paths senjutsu boosted kurama avatar. that kurama is comparable to the juubi in size.
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Sasuke susanoo is smaller same with kakashi's look how big sakura was to the hand
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Madara wraped his susanoo around full kurama witch is bigger than the bm avatars also susanoo can get smaller to fit around its targer because when naruto streched his kurama tails sasuke susanoo still fitting over it. also what the sage side is right sasuke v3 susanoo was bm kurama's size witch was nowhere near the size of perfect susanoo
The boost helped him manifest the legged susanoo that powerful,
that boost itself is NOT a permanent asset for Sasuke, so without it, Sasukes susanoo would just be a normal legged V3
Cutting Damage =/= Explosive Damage
hachibis durability is different against cutting and explosive attacks, whereas susanoo has shown no difference in that aspect,
nor has any susanoo bar PS shown the durability to tank something as powerful as a TBB
Except Madara still had the EMS susanoo that was busted, so the example doesnt fall anywhere,
Madara himself getting affected by hirudora is a clear indication that his susanoo was busted, otherwise nothing would have changed
Except there is no proof whatsoever that the mokuryu has a certain control range,
whats woorse is that hirudora exploded the right near madaras location and he was right within the blast radius, so there is absolutely no way that he got pushed back kilometers that made him break his control
the only explanation is that madara himself was affected meaning that his defense was breached
THis has already been addressed above,
Ummm No,
it raped either V3 or V4 (most likely) susanoo, no way in hell is V2 sufficient enough to tank a blast that obliterated the entire hideout,
especially when Danzos fuuton alone had the powerr to blow a hole on V3, and when Hirudora (which is most likely weaker than Kirin) busted V3 susanoo completely
so a stronger attack would take a dump on a weaker susanooo
not to mention that there is no significant diifference between MS and EMS susanoo to state that EMS Susanoo could tank something on the level of TBB
never stated that the rinnegan does, so this is irrelevant
only the power of chakra does, so if the user has rikudo chakra then his PS would be far stronger than just a regular PS,
as shown with the vast difference in power betweeen Rinnegand SAsukes, and EMS madaras/sasukes PS
Except the PS itself was also boosted by Half of Yin Chakra, Rinnegan is not the boost itself, its the chakra itself that helps
so take away the rikudo boost and they are both comparable, atleast physically
Indra also inherited some of Hagoromos chakra, hence why his PS was powerful enough to fight against ashura on even grounds
No because Kurama avatar has showwn a far greater output than full kuraama
Except, when Kurama used those TBB, it wasnt just kurama,
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, so yes, it does need a jin to unleash its full power Kurama himself has not shown his TBB to be anywhere near as powerful as what he has shown in BM/BSM
so Kurama avatar >> Full Kurama
Umm No, Kurama still had the firepower to breach most of hashirmaas mokutons, when a single TBB eradicated everything bar Mokuton Hobi, the only reason PS was used because hashiirama can use his mokutons to redirect them, thus only leaving PS as an option
the minute kurama was wrapped in PS
PS was the defense whilst Kuraam was the offense,
the PS blades were only used so that hashirmaas mokutons dont just grab the TBB and throw them back at him,
madara using TBBs instead of repeated PS slashes is a clear indication that Kuramas DC is superior to PS, otherwise he wouldve never felt the need for kurama in battle
umm No, the damage of PS would still pile up, so if a single TBB causes a specific extent of damage then multiple of them would cerrtainly bust PS
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, has not shown the firepower to be equivalent to 5 bijuu, so its notThe arms were getting destroyed once they were gettting hit from the multiple PS-infused TBB,
hitting the PS itself was not what caused the SS arms to get destroyed,
unless you think that punching PS is causing more damage then getting hit from 11 PS-infused TBB? Lol
A full head on Chojo Kobetsu, sure, that would be stronger than 11 PS-TBB that VOTE madara used since it went through them and still busted PS
but not a chojo kobetsu that lost several of its arms,
that chojo kobetsu is weaker than the juubi beam which kurama avatar tanked
Except the Kurama avatar still tanked it, and the avatar was still there, the only thing is that it tanked it with major damage
however Juubi Beam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS slashes
and the same slashes were canonically blocked by the tails with no damage whatsoever
so PS slashes dont eradiicate shit
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The stupidity in this thread kills me. For those who think Ps is less durable than a Kurama avatar slap yourself.
Not even close. Full Kurama was the size of Madara Ps without legs with legs it towers over Kurama.
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nope. the legged susano itself was the boost. kuramas chakra boosted sasukes eye powers to the point where he could use a legged susano. after that, the susano is the same whether or not sasuke dons a cloak.
not its horn, which is the hardest part of its body.
you cant even prove that madaras susano was busted from hirudora. madara was sent back and was simply unable to get back to the battle before the juubi revived. thats all that happened.
the proof is madara loosing control after being sent back a certain distance.
itachi used V2 susano and it didnt tank the attack anyway. it destroyed susano and left itachi injured.
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"If I hadn't used this, I would've been obliterated".
there is a huge durability difference between ms and ems susano.
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there is no such thing as a rikudo PS. rikudo chakra can power up an uchihas eyes to such an extent that they can advance susano to a complete body form but it doesnt make an existing form of susano any stronger. susano doesnt get any stronger past the complete body form.
sasuke doesnt have "hagoromo yin chakra". he had the yin seal which was half of what was needed to use six paths CT as well as half of hagoromos chakra which contains yin-yang release.
empowering an uchihas chakra only boosts susano in the sense that susano can evolve to its next form with the empowered chakra.
despite hagoromo stating that he gave no power to indra?
the kurama avatar is kurama and no it has not.
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this is lunacy. bijudama needs an 8:2 ratio of positive to negative chakra. only biju have the chakra capable of forming bijudama, so narutos own chakra serves no purpose in making it. every bijudama that BM naruto fired was something that kurama could do on its lonesome.
the fact that 50% kurama already made a bijudama as big as the combined bijudama from the other biju in an emaciated state disproves you completely.
which proves that kurama isnt stronger than PS as it overpowered the things that kurama could not.
whats wrong with using PS blades with the bijudama? how does this prove that kurama>PS? the PS blades gave the bijudama cutting power. that in no way proves that kurama is stronger than PS.
except one bijudama caused no damage. 5x0=0
even 50% kurama has firepower equivalent to 5 biju. full kurama simply didnt charge up a huge tbb. that doesnt mean that it cant.
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shinsuusenju had the majority of its arms when it hit PS. after the clash, it no longer has any arms on its back. i never said the arms took themselves out. the PS blades sliced away the arms coming from its back.
chojo kebetsu is stronger than the juubis laser since it destroyed PS which is more durable than kurama.
tanking means to take an attack with no damage whatsoever. kurama cant tank the juubis laser. it can survive it. it cant tank the laser so you have no argument to say that it can just casually block PS slashes with no six paths senjutsu enhancement.