[VS] Edo Utakata Vs EMS Sasuke

[Apêx1]

More than likely from the attack expanding. If it truly exploded then why doesn't it do so in any other variant? Or anytime it actually hits somebody?

- Didn't when it Garra on two occasions, only cut/pierced
- Didn't when it hit Naruto, only pierced and was blocked
- Didn't when it hit Ay, only pierced
- Didn't against Deidara, only pierced

And Kakashi's has never had the implication of exploding under any circumstances.

How does this matter? FRS is supposed to expand into a sphere but it's exploded on 3 occasions in the past. Rasengan is supposed to explode but it has not exploded a few times in the past, and instead just showed off its torque. Some jutsu can just work in different ways, and Sasuke's Chidori can obviously explode. When it's intended to hit another person then it would be counter-intuitive for it to outright explode, nor do I know when and how it explodes. But it's a fact that it does. No need for implications when it is outright shown. My point is proven by Rasengan and Chidori forming such explosions when Rasengan only explodes forward.

I don't see how it looks like two sperate energies. It just looks like a standard BD, if your talking about the bubble patterns in the middle then thats a feature of BD (it's not always drawn with them but it has been)

As for the last, I havnt seen it. So I really don't know how to counter the Gif.

It's extremely different from a regular TBB... Here's TBB's [

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They are nothing like this at all with the 2 very different circles of equal volume in different colors both represented as spheres;

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The Last also proves my point, there is no counter to it regardless of you seeing it or not.. It explodes.

 

[Kagustuchi]

How does this matter? FRS is supposed to expand into a sphere but it's exploded on 3 occasions in the past. Rasengan is supposed to explode but it has not exploded a few times in the past, and instead just showed off its torque. Some jutsu can just work in different ways, and Sasuke's Chidori can obviously explode. When it's intended to hit another person then it would be counter-intuitive for it to outright explode, nor do I know when and how it explodes. But it's a fact that it does. No need for implications when it is outright shown. My point is proven by Rasengan and Chidori forming such explosions when Rasengan only explodes forward.



It's extremely different from a regular TBB... Here's TBB's [

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They are nothing like this at all with the 2 very different circles of equal volume in different colors both represented as spheres;

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The Last also proves my point, there is no counter to it regardless of you seeing it or not.. It explodes.

Fine, I'll conceed on it exploding. Though it's still not proof enough that the damage is equal to BD. All we know is that's it's strong enough to stop it's momentum and force it to explode

The second BD you provided is drawn the exact same way as the VOTE 2 clash except it doesn't have the darker inner layer drawn. When Bee got hit by his BD it's drawn exactly the same way

The VOTE explosions doesn't have two spheres of equal volume. It has a smaller darker one and then a larger one, with bubble patters. This could be one of two things

1. Simply a drawing diffrence
2. The inner one is Chidori's, which would support my point earlier that the actual splash damage is weaker

 

[Apêx1]

Fine, I'll conceed on it exploding. Though it's still not proof enough that the damage is equal to BD. All we know is that's it's strong enough to stop it's momentum and force it to explode

It's portrayed as such and resembles Chidori=Rasengan but with Avatar forms closely.

The second BD you provided is drawn the exact same way as the VOTE 2 clash except it doesn't have the darker inner layer drawn. When Bee got hit by his BD it's drawn exactly the same way

No they're not dude. This is Bee's Bijuu Dama [

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]. This resembles the Kn6 TBB. Both have those small black circles within TBB's explosion. The one at VOTE has them in white, the opposite color. Furthermore, there's a sphere within the large explosion, very unlike the small circles which are also there. This sphere is of equal volume, which I will explain further into this post. But this should be evidence that this explosion is not like the TBB explosions as you are suggesting.

The VOTE explosions doesn't have two spheres of equal volume. It has a smaller darker one and then a larger one, with bubble patters. This could be one of two things

1. Simply a drawing diffrence
2. The inner one is Chidori's, which would support my point earlier that the actual splash damage is weaker

The inner and outer ones have comparable volumes. You're trying to assert that because the one on the outside is larger in circumfrence it is larger in terms of energy quantity. Obviously, that's fallacious, seeing how the inner one is filled in its entirety with the energy of its respective attack, whereas the outer one has the inner one as a filling.

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If you take the diameter of the larger explosion horizontally from both sides it's still only about half that of the size of the centre explosion's diameter. The volumes differing is nothing but a baseless claim given they are portrayed as equals either way. And no, I'm not implying Kishi draws to scale, which is exactly why there's nothing to suggest the volumes differ.

 

[Curse Mark]

More than likely from the attack expanding. If it truly exploded then why doesn't it do so in any other variant? Or anytime it actually hits somebody?

- Didn't when it Garra on two occasions, only cut/pierced
- Didn't when it hit Naruto, only pierced and was blocked
- Didn't when it hit Ay, only pierced
- Didn't against Deidara, only pierced

And Kakashi's has never had the implication of exploding under any circumstances.



I don't see how it looks like two sperate energies. It just looks like a standard BD, if your talking about the bubble patterns in the middle then thats a feature of BD (it's not always drawn with them but it has been)

As for the last, I havnt seen it. So I really don't know how to counter the Gif.

Kakashi killed Rin with it. And Kakuzu.

 

[Kagustuchi]

It's portrayed as such and resembles Chidori=Rasengan but with Avatar forms closely.

If we go by portrayal then PS Chidori would be the equivalent of a BM Rasengan, not BD in terms of DC. What it did to BD was stop it's momentum and force it to explode. Similar to what Madara did when Hashirama returned Kurama's BD.

No they're not dude. This is Bee's Bijuu Dama [

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]. This resembles the Kn6 TBB. Both have those small black circles within TBB's explosion. The one at VOTE has them in white, the opposite color. Furthermore, there's a sphere within the large explosion, very unlike the small circles which are also there. This sphere is of equal volume, which I will explain further into this post. But this should be evidence that this explosion is not like the TBB explosions as you are suggesting.

Which is irrelevant. The bubble pattern in the BD is consistent across many cases of when BD is used, the color of the pattern doesn't matter.

The only diffrence in the VOTE2 explosion is the inner sphere that represents Chidori clashing with BD. The whole shephere represents Naruto's BD while the darker inner one is the clash.

The inner and outer ones have comparable volumes. You're trying to assert that because the one on the outside is larger in circumfrence it is larger in terms of energy quantity. Obviously, that's fallacious, seeing how the inner one is filled in its entirety with the energy of its respective attack, whereas the outer one has the inner one as a filling.

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If you take the diameter of the larger explosion horizontally from both sides it's still only about half that of the size of the centre explosion's diameter. The volumes differing is nothing but a baseless claim given they are portrayed as equals either way. And no, I'm not implying Kishi draws to scale, which is exactly why there's nothing to suggest the volumes differ.

Bruh, that doesn't even make sense. The whole volume of the explosion is BD, the darker inner circle is where BD and Chidori are clashing.

 

[Apêx1]

If we go by portrayal then PS Chidori would be the equivalent of a BM Rasengan, not BD in terms of DC. What it did to BD was stop it's momentum and force it to explode. Similar to what Madara did when Hashirama returned Kurama's BD.





Which is irrelevant. The bubble pattern in the BD is consistent across many cases of when BD is used, the color of the pattern doesn't matter.

The only diffrence in the VOTE2 explosion is the inner sphere that represents Chidori clashing with BD. The whole shephere represents Naruto's BD while the darker inner one is the clash.



Bruh, that doesn't even make sense. The whole volume of the explosion is BD, the darker inner circle is where BD and Chidori are clashing.

These are all baseless claims regarding how Kishi drew the explosion so I don't see the point in giving a reply to that part. Either way, they're portrayed as equals so I don't see why you're even trying to debate this. Using Susano amps the user's chakra potency tremendously, every time they increase a Susano version the chakra gets stronger and hence the durability is greater pound for pound. Saying Rasengan=PS Chidori is wrong for the mere fact that Avatar doesn't increase BM Naruto's chakra potency whereas PS increases EMS Sasuke's chakra potency (therefor Chidori is stronger too). It's portrayed as the equivalent boost of Bijuu chakra, thus that's what it is.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

These are all baseless claims regarding how Kishi drew the explosion so I don't see the point in giving a reply to that part. Either way, they're portrayed as equals so I don't see why you're even trying to debate this. Using Susano amps the user's chakra potency tremendously, every time they increase a Susano version the chakra gets stronger and hence the durability is greater pound for pound. Saying Rasengan=PS Chidori is wrong for the mere fact that Avatar doesn't increase BM Naruto's chakra potency whereas PS increases EMS Sasuke's chakra potency (therefor Chidori is stronger too). It's portrayed as the equivalent boost of Bijuu chakra, thus that's what it is.

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None of is baseless claims. What's more baseless is your assumption that PS enhances Sasuke's chakra potency, when that's completely false. Sasuke's potency is what determines the strength of Susano'O not the other way around. What the avatar does is increase their knead/release.

PS Chidori stopped it's momentum and forced it to detonate. Goiny by the explosion, the clash looks to be about half of the total explosion in terms of size, which would put it at half the power of BD.

 

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