Edo/Rinnegan Madara= Base Hashirama+ EMS Madara + Nagato [by hype/manga statements]

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys I would like to estabilish how the potentialy powerfull could be Edo/Rinnegan Madara.

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^^ Kabuto said: "The first Hokage who was stronger then Madara and the Union between two of them is my trump card !!"

Base Hashirama + EMS Madara

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^^ Obito said: "So is that Madara's real eyes"

Nagato's rinnegan power

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^^ Proof that Madara knows a lot if not all of Rikudou Techniques...

Now we know that Madara has not Senjutsu/Sage mode...

Of course we also know that Senjutsu/Sage mode makes you much stronger then your base form, the base form's all stats get amplified/ehnanced a lot. It may work as multiplier also besides giving new abilities.

SM Hashirama > Base Hashirama
SM Naruto > Base Naruto
SM Kabuto > Base Kabuto

Now the question is How much boost gives SM to base Hashirama ?

I believe that Perfect Sussano restricted EMS Madara was on par with Base Hashirama...

with PS EMS Madara < SM Hashirama, but not too much

with PS EMS Madara + Kurama(controlled) = SM Hashirama, but Hashriama has perfect skills to deal with tailed beasts this leaving just EMS Madara alone.

Now, let take a look at Edo/Rinnegan Madara...

Edo/Rinnegan Madara= Base Hashirama+ EMS Madara + Nagato's Rinnegan power [by hype/manga statements]

However on manga screents Edo/Rinnegan Madara haven't shown too much, just Preta Path+ Base Hashirama+ EMS Madara....

but considering his hype... to decide who is stronger between SM Hashirama and Edo Madara as the most people are arguing about, we have to compare:

EMS Madara + Rinnegan techniques vs Senjutsu boost to Hashirama's base form...

Logic and manga feats are supporting Madara as supperior in this situtation but maybe SM's boost can match or even surprass EMS Madara's feats + Rinnegan techniques... of course it would be stupid and senseless...

But here comes Kishi trolling...

Who do you think is stronger based on hype and manga statements ?

also

Who do you think is stronger based on just manga feats ?

Thanks for reading !

Please share your thoughts

 

[~Zonta~]

this is over kill U_U

 

[Touken]

Edo Madara isn't EMS Madara + Nagato. He can't use Rinnegan techs while in PS and this alone is why Hashirama is still stronger than him.

 

[Bronze]

That's why Madara is a perfect replica of pre Juubi Rikudou Sennin. He is the combination of these 3 in one body.

 

[sagemode07]

Logic and Buddha facts have Ben presented.

Plus manga scan prof.

Put fodder debtors like Hiddensound and AkatsukiChurch to shame

 

[miromiro]

Yep, Madara is fantastic. And just imagine Rikudou Sennin of whom Madara's power is only a part of.

 

[Henrik]

That's why Madara is a perfect replica of pre Juubi Rikudou Sennin. He is the combination of these 3 in one body.

He is a little piece of Rikudou's power. Obviously Obito was the closest to Rikudou

 

[Bronze]

He is a little piece of Rikudou's power. Obviously Obito was the closest to Rikudou

No he isn't.

OT: since a poll is here, edo Madara is stronger by also feats.

 

[itachiuchiha21]

shit thread

 

[KingHashirama]

Highly false, when Kabuto and Madara talked, Kabuto stated that Madara gained a part/portion of Hashirama's powers.

Madara only has a bit pieces from everyone.



Rinnegan = Rikudou's... however Rikudou's mastery sh*ts on Madara's

Mokuton = Hashirama's... However the mastery of the shodaime sh*ts on Madara..

In the end EMS is the strongest thing Madara has because it is the thing that he can control the best.

 

[KidGamer65]

This nonsense right here only shows that you can't correctly read the manga.

I believe that Perfect Sussano restricted EMS Madara was on par with Base Hashirama..

...Mokujin, Hashirama's base technique was clashing with Perfect Susanoo and you think Madara is equal to Hashirama without it? The hell kind of nonsense is this? Base Hashirama would stomp EMS Madara w/o Perfect Susanoo, contemplating Madara's victory is ridiculous.

with PS EMS Madara < SM Hashirama, but not too much

Uh, no. The gap between them is large, very very large considering Mokujin can stalemate Perfect Susanoo, catch its arms and survive a short battle with it, short only because Obito nuked them. Once Shinsuusenju comes out, its over as it trumps PS in everything bar defensive power. (Who knows?) Size? Shinsuusenju dwarfs. Power? Shinsuusenju obliterates no contest. Weaker Mokuton constructs were catching PS's blades and blocking its arms and you think that it stands a chance against Shinsuusenju? Shinsuusenju rains its fists down on PS leaving it helpless to do anything while its smashed open. Madara is then promptly finished off.

with PS EMS Madara + Kurama(controlled) = SM Hashirama, but Hashriama has perfect skills to deal with tailed beasts this leaving just EMS Madara alone.

No, his skills to deal with Bijuu aren't the only reasons why he won, considering he straight up overpowered Madara and smashed through his offense and defense. SM Hashirama>EMS Madara w/Kurama. They aren't equals.

SM Hashirama>>>EMS Madara w/o Kurama.
SM Hashirama>EMS Madara w/ Kurama.
Base Hashirama>>EMS Madara w/o PS or Kurama.
Base Hashirama=<EMS Madara w/o Kurama.

Saying Rinnegan throws him up above Hashirama just because you believe the gap between EMS Madara (W/O Kurama) and SM Hashirama is small doesn't work since manga clearly shows the gap isn't small, its big. I have to wait till I see Edo Madara's scale of Rinnegan techniques to see if he can be put above Hashirama (Don't even mention Nagato's feats, cause they definitely aren't enough), cause from what he's shown us, he clearly isn't above him.

While you are throwing in statements, why don't you decide to add the one where Madara states PS is his full power? lol.

 

[Bronze]

Edo Madara > any form of Hashirama any day and everyday forever. The idiot above my post need to realize that.

 

[itachiuchiha21]

Madara Rules is viewing the thread, abandon thread!!

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[RikudouMadara]

Well...Kishi said when opinions collide that you should take the majority rules. As there is not one thing ever in the manga saying the exact difference in power, skill, etc. We can only speculate on such....yes Hashirama defeated Madara, but in a fight I believe it doesn't always have to be the stronger opposition that wins.

Some truly believe they write the manga >_> and some are even more radical and believe they have the right to say what's what as if they know better than Kishi. What a wonderful world...:yayy: Some just have attained such superlative powers to do so. >_O

 

[KCMNaruto]

That's why Madara is a perfect replica of pre Juubi Rikudou Sennin. He is the combination of these 3 in one body.

sadly I disagree due to me beliving Hagoromo had Sage mode in battle against juubi.

That why rinnegan techniques + sealing technique enhanced via senjutsu could work on as powerfull monster as juubi.

However I believe Whem Madara gains sage mode somehow then Kishi through sm madara with rinnegan shows to us how powerfull prw juubi jin sosp was.

Madara just need:

- mastery over senjutsu
- use all rinnegan techniques

 

[KCMNaruto]

This nonsense right here only shows that you can't correctly read the manga.



...Mokujin, Hashirama's base technique was clashing with Perfect Susanoo and you think Madara is equal to Hashirama without it? The hell kind of nonsense is this? Base Hashirama would stomp EMS Madara w/o Perfect Susanoo, contemplating Madara's victory is ridiculous.


Uh, no. The gap between them is large, very very large considering Mokujin can stalemate Perfect Susanoo, catch its arms and survive a short battle with it, short only because Obito nuked them. Once Shinsuusenju comes out, its over as it trumps PS in everything bar defensive power. (Who knows?) Size? Shinsuusenju dwarfs. Power? Shinsuusenju obliterates no contest. Weaker Mokuton constructs were catching PS's blades and blocking its arms and you think that it stands a chance against Shinsuusenju? Shinsuusenju rains its fists down on PS leaving it helpless to do anything while its smashed open. Madara is then promptly finished off.



No, his skills to deal with Bijuu aren't the only reasons why he won, considering he straight up overpowered Madara and smashed through his offense and defense. SM Hashirama>EMS Madara w/Kurama. They aren't equals.

SM Hashirama>>>EMS Madara w/o Kurama.
SM Hashirama>EMS Madara w/ Kurama.
Base Hashirama>>EMS Madara w/o PS or Kurama.
Base Hashirama=<EMS Madara w/o Kurama.

Saying Rinnegan throws him up above Hashirama just because you believe the gap between EMS Madara (W/O Kurama) and SM Hashirama is small doesn't work since manga clearly shows the gap isn't small, its big. I have to wait till I see Edo Madara's scale of Rinnegan techniques to see if he can be put above Hashirama (Don't even mention Nagato's feats, cause they definitely aren't enough), cause from what he's shown us, he clearly isn't above him.

While you are throwing in statements, why don't you decide to add the one where Madara states PS is his full power? lol.

Well you brought good points I admit.

However you made one fatal mistake.

The mokujin used by Hashirama against Madara PS was NOT used by Base Hashirama BUT SM Hashirama.

so even if we follow logic:

Edo Madara Just sharingan power PS > base Hashirama
Edo Madara just sharingan power PS = Sage mode Hashirama using Mokujin.

Buddha > anything Edo Madara has shown until now.

I agree that Rinnefan techniques used on Nagato scale may be not enough combined with uchiha and senjuu power, but senjuu dna may enhance Rinnegan techniques power as well and we have never seen what full bloodline original wielder of rinnegan is capable of.

It may be just my opinion but do not uderstimate full potential of Rinnegan.

Also check manga before you laugh at someone's post

 

[Bronze]

Meteor > Shinsuusenju as i have estabilished using manga facts:

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So Madara > Hashirama.

 

[KingHashirama]

Meteor > Shinsuusenju as i have estabilished using manga facts:

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So Madara > Hashirama.

We don't care about what you established. Only care for Manga's establishment.

 

[Touken]

Well you brought good points I admit.

However you made one fatal mistake.

The mokujin used by Hashirama against Madara PS was NOT used by Base Hashirama BUT SM Hashirama.

so even if we follow logic:

Edo Madara Just sharingan power PS > base Hashirama
Edo Madara just sharingan power PS = Sage mode Hashirama using Mokujin.

Base Hashirama's Hotei no Jutsu was capable of countering a PS slash.

Also, Mokujin doesn't require SM, although I know that you're implying SM increases Hashirama's base techniques.

 

[RikudouMadara]

Off my d*ck.



lol, Hashirama beats Madara in canon, fanboys cry that he was still stronger....smh.

Did I say Madara was stronger....? I was only giving a statement about situations when two opposing forces clash and one is superior. That is exactly how I meant it....I'm aware Hashirama won...I was only saying it just to say...no reflection upon the two ninja. I was going to say afterwards that it's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. But got lazy and didn't type it...XD

As you seem to think large techs determine the winner. XD