Edo Nagato Vs. Hashirama

[Strict]

@Midday, one of the Sharingan's passive abilities is also to see through any other move and predict them, just like copying. These are the abilities the Sharingan is characterized with. The Rinnegan can be seen as a completely new Doujutsu which awaits you under certin circumstances. New eyes with new abilities. Nagato, who got the Rinnegan, doesn't have access to any ability which is unique to the Sharingan, unless you possess this Doujutsu as well.

 

[Midday]

@Midday, one of the Sharingan's passive abilities is also to see through any other move and predict them, just like copying. These are the abilities the Sharingan is characterized with. The Rinnegan can be seen as a completely new Doujutsu which awaits you under certin circumstances. New eyes with new abilities. Nagato, who got the Rinnegan, doesn't have access to any ability which is unique to the Sharingan, unless you possess this Doujutsu as well.

Seeing through chakra is also a sharringan ability, nothing is confirmed since they rarely show any of the sharringans basic abilities. The sharringan stems from the rinnengan, the rinnengan is not a whole new doujutsu it's a step above ems.

 

[KidGamer65]

So the rinnengan looses all the passive abilities from the sharringan? One of the reasons sharrigan sees through genjutsu is because it has the ability to see chakra which the rinnengan can do.

How is a short to mid range genjutsu going to help when they're using abilites like shinra tensei/mokuton forests from a long range?

Hashirama's mokutons techniques would have to have chakra running through them for them to do anything. You're also neglecting Nagato's

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he used through the path which works on contact, he was able to see everything that was going on in his village with this. You act like this bringer of darkness is an automatic ko when Hiruzen easily navigated through it without the use of sensing or a doujutsu, it also dispelled when he caught Hashirama. Or he can simply break it with traditional means like disrupting his chakra.

I haven't made up any feats you're under the assumption that rinnengan looses everything the sharringan can do when it evolves even though every sharringan ability is derived from the rinnengan.

Hashirama doesn't need to be at long range to fight against Nagato.

Strict already said pretty much everything I have to say to your thoughts about Rinnegan seeing through Genjutsu. Seeing through chakra is an ability every Dojutsu has, so don't even bother bringing that up. Scans of Nagato or any Rinnegan user who didn't get Sharingan first utilizing Sharingan techs? Until then Nagato isn't and can't see through Genjutsu.

You think Sharingan is to Rinnegan as Sharingan is to Mangekyo even though that is obviously false. Danzo took Shisui's MS and was able to revert to 3-Tomoe. Nagato got Rinnegan and couldn't use EMS, proof that Rinnegan=/=Sharingan.

-Sure he can disrupt his chakra, by the time he breaks out its over though.

-Nagato's sensing technique isn't going to tel him that a forest with flowers that secrete pollen is coming at him. All it does is let him know that something is there.

Hiruzen is Hiruzen and Nagato is Nagato, moot comparison.

 

[Midday]

Hashirama doesn't need to be at long range to fight against Nagato.

Strict already said pretty much everything I have to say to your thoughts about Rinnegan seeing through Genjutsu. Seeing through chakra is an ability every Dojutsu has, so don't even bother bringing that up. Scans of Nagato or any Rinnegan user who didn't get Sharingan first utilizing Sharingan techs? Until then Nagato isn't and can't see through Genjutsu.

-Sure he can disrupt his chakra, by the time he breaks out its over though.

-Nagato's sensing technique isn't going to tel him that a forest with flowers that secrete pollen is coming at him. All it does is let him know that something is there.

Hiruzen is Hiruzen and Nagato is Nagato, moot comparison.

Medium to long range looks like their preferred styles. Close range wont be doing Hashirama any favours when Nagato can use bansho tennin, assura path and the soul rip technique.

They can see through genjutsu because the eyes can see chakra, so they can recognise if their chakra's disrupted and where the caster actually is.

Disrupting chakra takes no time.

He can tell where everything is with his rain sensing technique is and tell where chakra is with the basic sensing. I don't see how you came to the conclusion that those two skills aren't helpful.

The point isn't moot because you say it is. The facts are that it's possible to navigate through the genjutsu with neither a doujutsu or sensing what makes you think someone skilled with both is going to have a problem?

Edit: I forgot to even mentioned linked vision, bringer of darkness isn't doing shit.

 

[MickNerks]

Nagato wins.

Hashirama has no counter for CT.






Please Understand what this technique is:

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The user creates a dark black sphere of enormous gravitational pull power that when thrown into the sky, attracts objects from all directions and pulls them into the sphere compressing them simultaneously. The surrounding earth, including forests and mountains, are collected into a single point, piling on top of one another until it creates a large sphere. A large crater is left where the earth has been collected from.

Nagato uses this off gate and wins. Hashirama hasnt displayed any technique powerful enought to destroy the center of the techinque.​

 

[genii96]

@Midday, one of the Sharingan's passive abilities is also to see through any other move and predict them, just like copying. These are the abilities the Sharingan is characterized with. The Rinnegan can be seen as a completely new Doujutsu which awaits you under certin circumstances. New eyes with new abilities. Nagato, who got the Rinnegan, doesn't have access to any ability which is unique to the Sharingan, unless you possess this Doujutsu as well.

your post dosent really make sense,is this about BOD?,cuz that only affects the eyes,not the brain. If it affected the brain,then hiruzen's sense of smell would not have been useful. Nagato mastered yin release,which genjutsu falls under at 10,so BOD isnt really a threat

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Anyways, I know Hashirama is the strongest ninja besides Juubito

no madara and kabuto beat him

have no idea what Nagato could do to counter this jutsu.

immortality

Hashirama takes Nagato mid diff in Base and stomps him in Sage Mode.

how can he seal an edo without seals? oh yeah he cant

. Jukai Kotan followed up with Flower Tree World=GG Nagato

yeah GG for nagato because he will inw no matter what hashirama uses on him. shinra tensei repels wood

Shinsuusenju turns him into a smear on the ground.

which he proceeds to regenerate from without a problem

not to mention bunshin feints can work on a Rinnegan user like Naruto and Kakashi have displayed in the past.Hashirama wins with high diff.

how when he will never ever find a way to permanently hurt an edo immortal?

age mode Hashirama rapes lol

Shinsusenju GG

Bringer of darkness GG


Kajukai Kōrin GG


Myōjinmon curb stomp GG Nagato

nagato shrugs off all of that with his sensing, shared vision and immortality

Taijutsu = Hashirama

Experience = Hashirama

Ninjutsu = Tie.

Genjutsu = Hashirama

Chakra = Hashirama

Kenjutsu = Hashirama

Fuinjutsu = Hashirama

Hashirama is superior to Nagato as a ninja.

hashirama has shown precisely zero sealing jutsus. nagaot however seals souls. hashirama has a shit ton less chakra levels. experience? nagato was in a constant war/battlefield for 40-50 years. hashi died when he was in his 30s.

pretty much roflstomps nagato

which nagato recovers form without any problems due to bieng an immortla invincible unlimited chakra zombie

 

[BlackFlame44]

They are real trees.

But since technically they're infused with chakra couldn't Nagato absorb them sorta like madara did with gaara's sand?