Edo Nagato Vs. Hashirama

[blazekev90]

Does it matter if he can sense Hashirama molding chakra? No, cause he doesn't know what is coming. Understand that before you reply.

-How is he going to know to do this when he doesn't know what is coming towards him due to Bringer of Darkness?

-How is he going to know what jutsu is coming just because he can sense him mold chakra?

-How would he know Hashirama has the battlefield advantage when he is blind?

Answer those questions with valid answers or don't reply.

*sigh* If (If) Nagato was to be caught, we can react like others before him.

The benefit of being able to sense one molding chakra, is making yourself aware of the fact the a jutsu is approaching. How would be know where exactly? Being able to sense the your surrounding area, you don't need to be a senor to do this.

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neither of these two are senors, but were able to read their surrounding environment accurately and prepare for an approach. Shinobi are trained to use their senses in cases like this, Gai explained this to Lee is i remember correctly.

Luckily for Nagato all he needs to do is use ST and repel anything that approaches.


Ok, gotta get back to work but I'll be off after 5.

 

[Midday]

Bringer of darkness is easily negated. He's a sensor, he has the rinnengan which should be able to see through visual genjutsu, the fact that it's a short range jutsu and both Hashirama and Nagato are strong mid-long range fighters. It's not much of a factor in this fight.

As for flower tree world. He doesn't even have to bother destroy it, he can fly out of range with deva paths powers or sit on the bird summon.

Hashirama in base isn't beating Nagato mid difficulty, you either underestimate Nagato, wank Hashirama or a combination of both.

 

[Fodder#4]

As much as I like Nagato; I don't see him winning thi- Edo Nagato? He eventually wins then! I don't recall Hashirama having seal jutsu..

 

[Prince Charles]

Strict doesnt want me to get turnt up!

 

[Zexion~]

Im not seeing how being a sensor negates a genjutsu?

 

[Prince Charles]

Im not seeing how being a sensor negates a genjutsu?

It allows nagato to tell where hashirama is. Similar to how hiruzen caught them in the bringer of darkness[

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].Hiruzen obviously had some high form of sensing with nose or something like that.

 

[Strict]

@Prince Charles, did you just call me clown? Get down from your high horse, kid.

Madara stated that a proper control over the Mazou is only granted with the possession of both Uchiha and Senju DNA. Nagato, who lacks the Uchiha power, is claimed by you to control the Mazou with 7 beasts inside the way Obito did. What feats Nagato showed with the Mazou was connecting himself to it to use the soul dragon. The feats you ascribe Nagato is only hype.

Anyway, Hashirama was able to handle Kyuubi in base with both wood dragon and the wooden statue which put him asleep. In Sage Mode, he even put down the Juubi. The Mazou is nothing compared to it, as well not to the destructive capacity of EMS Madara, who fused his perfect Susanoo with the Kyuubi.

As for the soul dragon, Hanzou's fodder of subordinates felt for the dragon with direct contact, something Hashirama can avoid in many facilities; he has enough feats to do so and yet you want to assure that Hashirama would have no real counter and would thus let himself being hit by the dragon directly.

What you call mere Katon is something with what Madara can cover a huge area with one usage [

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], and your scan showed nothing but intact Mokuton techniques in an area which was set on fire already.

 

[Zexion~]

It allows nagato to tell where hashirama is. Similar to how hiruzen caught them in the bringer of darkness[

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].Hiruzen obviously had some high form of sensing with nose or something like that.

Not true .. genjutsu affects the chakra stored in your brain ( or something around those lines) It most likely negates the affect of sensors as well.

 

[blazekev90]

Not true .. genjutsu affects the chakra stored in your brain ( or something around those lines) It most likely negates the affect of sensors as well.

Thiis technique only effects eyesight, it doesn't effect the others senses as ocular genjutsu does. Being a senor and being able to just sense ones presence isn't much different.

 

[Strict]

Thiis technique only effects eyesight, it doesn't effect the others senses as ocular genjutsu does. Being a senor and being able to just sense ones presence isn't much different.

If Nagato is blinded, Hashirama could land critical hits on Nagato even with a Ninja's basic armory like Kunai (preferably with explosive tags attached) as they shouldn't be sensed in any case. There are also other possibilities left for Hashirama of course.

 

[KidGamer65]

*sigh* If (If) Nagato was to be caught, we can react like others before him.

The benefit of being able to sense one molding chakra, is making yourself aware of the fact the a jutsu is approaching. How would be know where exactly? Being able to sense the your surrounding area, you don't need to be a senor to do this.

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neither of these two are senors, but were able to read their surrounding environment accurately and prepare for an approach. Shinobi are trained to use their senses in cases like this, Gai explained this to Lee is i remember correctly.

Luckily for Nagato all he needs to do is use ST and repel anything that approaches.


Ok, gotta get back to work but I'll be off after 5.

You still didn't answer my question. How is he going to be able to know that a forest that exerts pollen out of its flowers has been used? Sure, he can sense Hashirama using a jutsu. Sure, he can sense where Hashirama himself is, but you still haven't explained how he uses his sensing abilities to know that a forest has been spawned, that it has flowers, and that these flowers secrete pollen? He can't.

Hashirama molding chakra doesn't automatically equate to a jutsu coming towards him, not when there could be multiple possibilities.

Itachi knew where Sasuke was prior to being blind. Thus he could intercept Kabuto as he knew where he was going to strike. Nagato doesn't know where the forest is prior to being blinded as it will be used, while the Genjutsu is in effect.

Hiruzen sniffed them out, but that has nothing to do with my claim as I never said he couldn't locate Hashirama.

 

[Prince Charles]

@Prince Charles, did you just call me clown? Get down from your high horse, kid.

I call em how I see em. Come at me bro.

Madara stated that a proper control over the Mazou is only granted with the possession of both Uchiha and Senju DNA. Nagato, who lacks the Uchiha power, is claimed by you to control the Mazou with 7 beasts inside the way Obito did it. What feats Nagato showed with the Mazou was connecting himself to it to use the soul dragon. The feats you ascribe Nagato is only hype.

And your point is......? His feats arent hype.

Anyway, Hashirama was able to handle Kyuubi in base with both wood dragon and the wooden statue which put him asleep. In Sage Mode, he even put down the Juubi. The Mazou is nothing compared to it, as well not to the destructive capacity of EMS Madara, who fused his perfect Susanoo with the Kyuubi.

You ignore the fact that the kyuubi was being controlled via Madara which in some cases left it at certain disadvantages. Funny how you say the gedo is nothing compared to it when it can by 1 touch steal the soul of multiple people. You clearly lack the mental foundation to properly understand them and their different capabilities! The gedo has some advantages over kurama.

As for the soul dragon, Hanzou's fodder of subordinates felt for the dragon with direct contact, something Hashirama can avoid with many facilities; he hs enough feats to do so and yet you want to assure that Hashirama would have no real counter and would thus let himself being hit by the dragon directly.

When did I say he had no counter to gedo you damn clown? All I'm saying is your clearly underestimating the gedo when it has clearly shown the power to counters hashiramas mukoton.

What you call mere Katon is something with what Madara can cover a huge area with one usage [1], and your scan showed nothing but intact Mokuton techniques in an area which was set on fire already.

The chakra blast from gedo Like I said covers a wide range[

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. Small area or not the katon showed to be effect against the mukoton. A large scale chakra blast from gedo evaporates hashiramas mukoton

Not true .. genjutsu affects the chakra stored in your brain ( or something around those lines) It most likely negates the affect of sensors as well.

Not true? Even after I just provided you with the scan of hiruzen finding where they were in the BOD?

 

[blazekev90]

If Nagato is blinded, Hashirama could land critical hits on Nagato even with a Ninja's basic armory like Kunai (preferably with explosive tags attached) as they shouldn't be sensed in any case. There are also other possibilities left for Hashirama of course.

Correct, this wouldn't pertain to his sensing ability lol

Do i think it woild work, well it all depends on the situation.

 

[iiDarui]

Hashidara can take this extremely high diff

 

[iiDarui]

Dammit. I posted in the wrong thread. I hate posting from my phone. =_=

 

[KingHashirama]

Bringer of Darkness and wood clones overpower the rinnegan kid.

Doesn't have a EMS = can't tell which is the real Hashirama. wood clone would be fine for nagato. unless Hashirama feels like jumping in the fight himself.


Taijutsu = Hashirama

Experience = Hashirama

Ninjutsu = Tie.

Genjutsu = Hashirama

Chakra = Hashirama

Kenjutsu = Hashirama

Fuinjutsu = Hashirama

Hashirama is superior to Nagato as a ninja..... only way Nagato wins is by scenarios where Nagato gets the advantage of catching Hashirama off guard. Basically the scenarios that are the following type:

" Nagato just takes his soul"

" Pulls Hashirama and stabs him"

"Nagato absorbs Hashirama's chakra"

and so on. Similar to scenarios made by Itachi fans or Sasuke fans.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bringer of darkness is easily negated. He's a sensor, he has the rinnengan which should be able to see through visual genjutsu, the fact that it's a short range jutsu and both Hashirama and Nagato are strong mid-long range fighters. It's not much of a factor in this fight.

As for flower tree world. He doesn't even have to bother destroy it, he can fly out of range with deva paths powers or sit on the bird summon.

Hashirama in base isn't beating Nagato mid difficulty, you either underestimate Nagato, wank Hashirama or a combination of both.

Seeing through visual Genjutsu is a Sharingan feat, not a Rinnegan feat. Not to mention Rinnegan doesn't have Sharingan abilities. If you think Nagato can see through Visual Genjutsu via Rinnegan, you better bring some kind of proof. Bringer of Darkness is Short-Mid Range. Sensing isn't going to let him know that a forest with flowering trees has been used. Besides, since Genjutsu affects the chakra flow, I wouldn't be surprised if Nagato couldn't even make use of his sensing abilities while in Genjutsu.

Not gonna happen while he's in Bringer of Darkness.

At least I'm not making up feats for Nagato.

 

[Prince Charles]

And btw I agree hashirama pretty much roflstomps nagato but it wouldnt be easy as some people think. I was merely saying gedo plays a big factor here.

 

[Midday]

Seeing through visual Genjutsu is a Sharingan feat, not a Rinnegan feat. Not to mention Rinnegan doesn't have Sharingan abilities. If you think Nagato can see through Visual Genjutsu via Rinnegan, you better bring some kind of proof. Bringer of Darkness is Short-Mid Range. Sensing isn't going to let him know that a forest with flowering trees has been used. Besides, since Genjutsu affects the chakra flow, I wouldn't be surprised if Nagato couldn't even make use of his sensing abilities while in Genjutsu.

Not gonna happen while he's in Bringer of Darkness.

At least I'm not making up feats for Nagato.

So the rinnengan looses all the passive abilities from the sharringan? One of the reasons sharrigan sees through genjutsu is because it has the ability to see chakra which the rinnengan can do.

How is a short to mid range genjutsu going to help when they're using abilites like shinra tensei/mokuton forests from a long range?

Hashirama's mokutons techniques would have to have chakra running through them for them to do anything. You're also neglecting Nagato's

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he used through the path which works on contact, he was able to see everything that was going on in his village with this. You act like this bringer of darkness is an automatic ko when Hiruzen easily navigated through it without the use of sensing or a doujutsu, it also dispelled when he caught Hashirama. Or he can simply break it with traditional means like disrupting his chakra.

I haven't made up any feats you're under the assumption that rinnengan looses everything the sharringan can do when it evolves even though every sharringan ability is derived from the rinnengan.

 

[genii96]

Nagato can easily use his rain tech to use his contact type sensing,or just sense hashirama's attacks,BOD only impairs the eyes,not the other senses
byakugan can see through genjutsus,sharingan can see through genjutsu,yet the most powerful of them cant?. Nagato mastered yin release at 10,and genjutsus falls under there,so navigating through BOD is easy,and this is ssuming hashirama gets to mid range without gtting killed.
Gedo mazo can sprout chakra chains which was able to suppress 5 bijuus at once,thus it can suppress just about any wood structure coming,chakra blasts evaporate any forest or fower world.
And why wont hashirama's wood techs contain chakra?,how does he make them then?,how did madara see through his wood clone?,the trees are made from the user's chakra,nowhere else.
Soul dragons rip out hashi's soul