Edo Minato Namikes or EMS Sasuke Uchia
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EternalFlame
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Edo Minato outlasts Sasuke.
Sasuke has no way of sealing Minato. (We don't know if he has Itachi's weapons)
Minato waits until Sasuke exhausts his chakra and then takes him out.
Sasuke has no way of sealing Minato. (We don't know if he has Itachi's weapons)
Minato waits until Sasuke exhausts his chakra and then takes him out.
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Edo Minato has KCM, and can seal things that would normally kill him if he attempted to do that while alive (such as that huge TBB from the Juubi). Of course he wins.
Edo KCM Minato >> EMS Sasuke.
EMS Sasuke > Minato.
Edo KCM Minato >> EMS Sasuke.
EMS Sasuke > Minato.
Are you implying that Jiraiya is more skillful in summoning? The difference in who they can summon depends on their chakra and of course the ability as well. Minato was considered genius and can even control bunta. Even Jiraiya admitted that he can't fully control Bunta. It's very clear that whether it's bunta, ma or pa, they are inhabitants of Mt. Myoboku. SM has nothing to do with who to summon. And it's very clear in the databook that
is there any interpretation of what Kishi said? Jiraiya is skilled in frog based ninjutsu because it's his fighting style but all summonings are the same. One can summon if he/she has the contract with the specie. Saying Minato can't summon Ma and Pa is purely speculation. Just because it's not his fighting style does not mean he can't summon them.
takiyacrowz
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what if i tell you that Minato had more respect from Gamabunta than Jiraiya had
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It appears on numerous occasions from what i have seen from you that, you have a hard time digesting the basics.
Ill explain again. You claimed having a contract with the frogs means that you can summon whoever, however that is wrong. It is even backed by the scan you upload which clearly says that it depends on the persons abilities, which will tell what they can summon.
Abilities can translate into skill/prowess with frog based ninjutsu. Or it can translate to sm.
on both occasions Jiraiya's is over minato. He not only has the most experience with frog based ninjutsu and skill, he also holds sennin modo, though it is imperfect.
So you bringing to the table the fact that, minato also has a contract a is a moot point when it databook clearly states that, more is required than just the basic contract.
"However the toads one is able to summon will depend on his/her abilities".
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Can it not get clearer!!!!!!
Ill try and make it even easier. Lets say you have an apple tree in your garden and there are 10 apples on the tree. All the apples are yours, however because of your height you cannot reach all 10 apples to pluck them, but you can only reach 5.
It is not speculation though.
Jiraiya also has a contract with the frogs, however if you noticed summoning these 2 frogs is different from summoning the ordinary toad.
Firstly as the databook says here.
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As i said another form of contract is required to summon shima and fukasaku as jiraiya showed here and as the Db states shading underneath his eyes with blood form a contract which allows him to summon them.
Next if you noticed Jiraiya summoned another toad in order to hold off pein. If he could have summoned fukasaku and shima, he would have from the start but he couldn't because those two are totally different frogs from the normal frogs and it appears that they also take long to summon.
So for the two frogs their unique from the ordinary frogs in that:
They are sages
Another form of contract is required to summon them
Takes a fair amount of time to summon them
The ordinary frogs, the basic contract is enough, but also you can summon them at whenever.
As i said i will not be surprised if its intertwined with sennin modo and that only or perhaps something to do with natural energy, but they are not the ordinary frogs.
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The basic contract that you claim is a moot point. When firstly the Db states that while you may have access to the frogs, certain abilities is required and whether minato matches jiraiya's prowess in frog based ninjutsu i doubt as he hasn't give me nay reason to believe this, likewise abilities might translate to sage modo users. Perhaps only them due to this ability they share can they call forth sage toads.
The Db further states, clearly that jiraiya had to undergo another form of contract usage from the one he has already sighed, which takes the form of shading underneath his eyes with blood.
The basic contract = summoning however is an inadequate argument
Also the jokes on you. Ispeak is right, kamui either kakashi's or Obito's are also barrier techniques so i am not sure why you think you are shaming him when it is you that is wrong
That literally means nothing
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It appears on numerous occasions from what i have seen from you that, you are biased against minato
Ill explain again. as ajpn claimed having a contract with the frogs means that you can summon whoever, is right. It is even backed by the scan,
the fact that it depends on the persons abilities. you are taking it to a completely different level by saying it essentially translate to sm. it's funny how you are focussing on SM while it could simply be extra amount of chakra
you say Jiraiya's is over minato, which is a wrong statement. since minato logically should have more precise chakra control. it's simple to understand cuz he created rasengan, took s/t jutsu to a completely different level.
table the fact that, minato also has a contract is ridiculously ignored by you just over a simple point,
here is what required
when naruto was fighting gara he wanted to summon gamabunta but he could summon only the small one cuz he wasn't
moulding enough chakra into the jutsu
it's funny you are too much on SM here , cuz we have seen jiraiya messed up during his fight with orochimaru.
you are completely ignoring these things
your apple example just sucks and shows how hard you are trying to downgrade minato here.
while jiraiya himself not only respected minato he learened one jutsu (rasengan) from his own student
it's funny cuz DB is doing nothing but precisely explaining the summoning of the two sages into his own body and the blood contract needed for it
point could be here that since jiraiya needed them to fuse with himself that's precisely why he needed the summoning.
Jiraiya summoned another toad in order to hold off pein. that's looks like more of a case of a body fusion
if you have noticed shima summoned many of the toads including pa in the battle against pein without going sage mode that could also be taken simply as the amount of chakra needed
it remains perhaps imo
that's precisely why i stated this
but you would say
why are you so biased against minato,
since naruto didn't go through body fusion exercise because of kuubi. and he didn't have any such contract. now if naruto summons them your entire point becomes invalid, we have to wait for it though
Also a jokes on you. sir derp is more intelligent than you, and unbiased for sure.
another joke on you-senju DNA is necessary for the RENNIGAN
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What kinda shit is this??
Alive Minato wins Low diff and the fool OT has asked whether Edo Minato could? And people actully voted for Sasuke...rofl
This site.Zzz
I'm not gonna post my that argument for this shit...not worth my time. Also people doubting on whether Minato could summon MA and PA because he doesn't have the skill Lol the Guy mastered KCM [a far greater skill] in mins when Naruto needed days U_U
People should look up for what once in a generation genius means or what it means when someone says someone is unsurpassable.
Alive Minato wins Low diff and the fool OT has asked whether Edo Minato could? And people actully voted for Sasuke...rofl
This site.Zzz
I'm not gonna post my that argument for this shit...not worth my time. Also people doubting on whether Minato could summon MA and PA because he doesn't have the skill Lol the Guy mastered KCM [a far greater skill] in mins when Naruto needed days U_U
People should look up for what once in a generation genius means or what it means when someone says someone is unsurpassable.
I think it's you who can't digest the basics. You can't prove me that I'm wrong because the writer himself is my proof. Your proof? The way you interpret it! Can we call it SPECULATION? Am I right or I am right?LOL If Kishi said that
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then what's so hard to understand? Do you have any proof that Ma and Pa can be SUMMONED with only those with SM? Can you back it up? is it written somewhere or it's your stupid speculation. SM is a technique and a summon is a summon. No matter how big or small the summon is, all you have to do is to make a contract with them.
What you FAIL to understand is that TO SUMMON means TO CALL. If you have a contract with the specie then you can summon that specie or vice versa like the scan below.
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Look at this. I bet you don't understand a damn thing about this. I'll explain it in layman's term so you will understand.
Sounds familiar Blaze? It's some kind of fusion right and it is called the Amphibian sage technique. It is use to fuse the sage toads and the person.
Question: Are we talking about this? or we're only talking for a mere summon? It's irrelevant to our discussion about summoning because it's a sage art technique. And what I'm trying to tell you is all about summoning.
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Looks like both of you are not smart after all. Just because something can defend an attack is considered barrier technique already? LOL. Look at that reasoning.
Example: Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven
Since this technique can defend, is it a barrier? What a joke
Kamui has two feats as shown so far and that is teleportation and intangibility. Show me where kamui shows some form of a barrier? Maybe I forgot.
If there are 100 attacks coming from all sides simultaneously, do you think Kamui can block all of those attacks? Or the user needs to be intangible just to survive that attack. If it's outside from it's line of sight can the user block the attack?
If kamui is indeed a barrier technique why Tobi uses izanagi just to survive konan's attack? time limit? Is konan referring the time limit to Tobi's barrier or Tobi being intangible? Show me where there are multiple attacks outside of the users line of sight that Kamui was able to block.
Kamui can create a barrier space within a target but it doesn't mean that it is a barrier itself. The target will be drawn into it's dimension after creating that barrier space but kamui can't protect anything within.
Example: There are 1000 shinobi's needed protection. 9 tailed beasts on all side firing TBB. Can kamui block all the attack? No because it can only create a barrier space within it's target (LINE OF SIGHT).
A space time barrier like Minato's barrier can protect anything contained WITHIN! Kamui can protect attacks in it's line of sight.
NOTE: With regards to that barrier thing, if you have read the discussion between me and Ispeak, the barrier we are referring to is something that can protect anything within. If you look at his reason quoted by me, then it's clearly a joke. If you can't find its mistake then it's your problem.
Ohhh..By the way, is it you who said that Rinnegan doesn't need senju DNA? Shame on you LOL! You're not that smart after all..That's a JOKE! A real one...XD XD XD
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I have Minato at 8 and Sasuke at 6/7 on my Top 10 list. So Alive Minato loses but Edo Stomps. Plus, Sasuke is probably going to show Perfect Susanoo very soon which will catapult him over Naruto and Nagato in the top 5 anyways..
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@Ajpn. I cannot even begin to get into a kamui discussion and why both are barrier techniques so ill leave that to you and Ispeak. History states its better that way.
I still do not think you understand that, the Db clearly implies that your abilities determine what you can summon.
Its true that jiraiya and the frogs used amplibian sage mode to merge, however he still had to form another form of contract to summon them regardless of the merging technique.
Btw a piece of advice, you shouldn't take into consideration somebody's intelligence based on a manga.
I have been wondering why people keep vming/pming me about rinnegan and senju dna, then i saw the quote by Derp.
Ill admit i laughed. Reason is because i made a thread more than a year ago stating this and since i had to put him on blast for the nonsense he said in my sig, he has also decided to put me on blast for a theory i made more than a year ago.
However the funnies part of all this is that, the thread has been closed. Meaning you cannot reply or quote that person.
So basically he took a recent post from me and modified it implementing what i have said more than a year ago.
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I still do not think you understand that, the Db clearly implies that your abilities determine what you can summon.
Its true that jiraiya and the frogs used amplibian sage mode to merge, however he still had to form another form of contract to summon them regardless of the merging technique.
Btw a piece of advice, you shouldn't take into consideration somebody's intelligence based on a manga.
I have been wondering why people keep vming/pming me about rinnegan and senju dna, then i saw the quote by Derp.
Ill admit i laughed. Reason is because i made a thread more than a year ago stating this and since i had to put him on blast for the nonsense he said in my sig, he has also decided to put me on blast for a theory i made more than a year ago.
However the funnies part of all this is that, the thread has been closed. Meaning you cannot reply or quote that person.
So basically he took a recent post from me and modified it implementing what i have said more than a year ago.
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