Edo Minato Namikes or EMS Sasuke Uchia

[Optimistic]

Its sad how people actually think Minato beats Itachi but its even more sad when people say he beats Sasuke.

 

[Multiply]

No, I'm saying chakra loss isn't a factor as Sasuke has the tools necessary to beat him before his chakra runs out. Not to mention you clearly have no proof Minato's chakra reserves are FAR above Sasuke's like you imply. Scans or proof otherwise its just an assumption on your part.

Exactly. Nowhere to run=Minato's loss. He can't get rid of the flames and if he dodges them its over.

I'm not going to provide scans, I don't feel like looking for manga pages. I will simply reference feats by Minato, and I'm sure you'll have no objection to them.
1. He teleported a tbb from Kurama away. (Didn't have much of an impact on him)
2. Fought with Obito - (Used FTG v2 which will obviously suck up at least a little bit more chakra)
3. Used food cart destroyer on Kurama, then teleported him away. (The real fatigue starts here)
4. He then sealed half of Kurama into Naruto. (I doubt he would have died after that, he didn't even use RDS and Kushina seemed confident that he would survive had he used a different seal)
5. Had enough chakra to use RDS to seal the other half of chakra in himself.

Huge chakra feats that can't be refuted. Even when he started showing signs of fatigue, his reserves were so vast he had enough chakra to seal the rest of Kurama away. He has massive chakra reserves while Sasuke has the fight with Itachi. Which might be his longest fight without being healed/boosted with chakra.

 

[Xlad]

Its sad how people actually think Minato beats Itachi but its even more sad when people say he beats Sasuke.

They should be electrocuted. :devil:

 

[Shura]

Minato isn't going to fight him looking at his chin. Do you know what guerrilla warfare is?

Sasuke's chakra reserve is not big enough. He was able to fight Ay and the Samurai, sure. He then went in to fight the other kage, yet almost got stomped by Mei. Oonoki was about to demolish Sasuke, but Obito saved him. He then went on to be fully healed by Karin. After his danzo fight, he was almost out of chakra, but was healed again by Karin, about midway. He then fought Kakashi which was like a 2 move exchange, hardly relevant and was warped away after a small chidori exchange with Naruto. Sasuke has no extreme chakra feats. His Chakra levels are on with Itachi's with an illness. He may have had a small upgrade, but not much. You made it seem like he went that whole giant fighting sequence on his chakra reserves.

Yes. I know. Fire, run, fire... Sasuke will figure it out sooner or later. U_U

You want another proof that Sasuke has big chakra reserves? He fought DSM Kabuto while spamming MS Jutsu and then after that he joined the war and now he is fighting the Juubi currently.. Without even resting really..

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not going to provide scans, I don't feel like looking for manga pages. I will simply reference feats by Minato, and I'm sure you'll have no objection to them.
1. He teleported a tbb from Kurama away. (Didn't have much of an impact on him)
2. Fought with Obito - (Used FTG v2 which will obviously suck up at least a little bit more chakra)
3. Used food cart destroyer on Kurama, then teleported him away. (The real fatigue starts here)
4. He then sealed half of Kurama into Naruto. (I doubt he would have died after that, he didn't even use RDS and Kushina seemed confident that he would survive had he used a different seal)
5. Had enough chakra to use RDS to seal the other half of chakra in himself.

Huge chakra feats that can't be refuted. Even when he started showing signs of fatigue, his reserves were so vast he had enough chakra to seal the rest of Kurama away. He has massive chakra reserves while Sasuke has the fight with Itachi. Which might be his longest fight without being healed/boosted with chakra.

1. S/T Ninjutsu take up chakra based on size. Considering that Jiraiya and Naruto are able to summon Bunta, who is bigger than a TBB from the Kyuubi. Warping this away is not that impressive.
2. Assumption. FTG consumes chakra based on the size of the thing he is warping. FTG Lvl 2 doesn't increase the chakra cost, and he used FTG twice and a Rasengan against Obito.
3. The fact he got tired here shows that his chakra is not far above Sasuke's. That's a load of BS.

4 and 5 haven't been implied to take a lot of chakra from the user.

These feats fail to prove that Sasuke's chakra levels are far below Minato's. Doesn't change the fact that Sasuke beats Minato anyday though.

 

[AlphaScythian]

KCM runs out in 8 min or so. Sasuke can easily outlast that

 

[Multiply]

Yes. I know. Fire, run, fire... Sasuke will figure it out sooner or later. U_U

You want another proof that Sasuke has big chakra reserves? He fought DSM Kabuto while spamming MS Jutsu and then after that he joined the war and now he is fighting the Juubi currently.. Without even resting really..

Without resting? He sat there and listened to the Kages talk about what they knew about the village, and Hashi's rant about Madara. That's a rest. One Naruto hasn't got since the beginning of the war. Yet, Sasuke's chakra reserves are probably on par with Naruto's too right?

Fighting DSM Kabuto was a good amount of chakra, I'll give you that. Itachi did a majority of the work though. Sasuke would not have won that fight without Itachi.

 

[Optimistic]

They should be electrocuted. :devil:

They should indeed.

 

[Multiply]

1. S/T Ninjutsu take up chakra based on size. Considering that Jiraiya and Naruto are able to summon Bunta, who is bigger than a TBB from the Kyuubi. Warping this away is not that impressive.
2. Assumption. FTG consumes chakra based on the size of the thing he is warping. FTG Lvl 2 doesn't increase the chakra cost, and he used FTG twice and a Rasengan against Obito.
3. The fact he got tired here shows that his chakra is not far above Sasuke's. That's a load of BS.

4 and 5 haven't been implied to take a lot of chakra from the user.

These feats fail to prove that Sasuke's chakra levels are far below Minato's. Doesn't change the fact that Sasuke beats Minato anyday though.

1. Still, it's stil la good amount of chakra just wasted on teleporting a tbb. You can't deny the fact that he used more chakra than most ninja have in chakra reserves, to move that away.

2. If FTG v2 doesn't cost more chakra, why doesn't he use it? It's clearly fast, and v1 is clearly inferior. Saying it doesn't cost at least a bit more chakra than v1 is just foolish and absurd.

3. Sasuke has never warped a TBB, Kurama, and summoned Gamabunta. Sasuke has never used that much chakra in a single fight, I can guarantee that.

4/5. Sealing objects take chakra. That's why RDS stopped sealing Orochimaru. Hiruzen ran out of Chakra, and could not continue to push the RDS foward. That ultimately led to the sealing of Oro's arms, and Hiruzen's death. That is also why Hiruzen split his chakra three ways. If he didn't, he would have got Orochimaru, but wouldn't have stopped the Edo Tensei, and no one at that time in Konoha could have stopped Tobirama and Hashirama.

 

[Xlad]

They should indeed.

Like my sig. They just don't see that they are denying the shocking and burning truth. No pun intended.

 

[Strawberry]

i voted before reading..... but mianto wins both situations theres only a handful of ninja who could possibly beat mins and none in the new gen can....

 

[Lightning Release]

Obviously the tards in this thread don't understand the question..

But in a top 10 situation, I'd choose Edo / Alive Minato any day over Sasuke. I'd rather have FTG and KCM on my team instead of a Susanoo.

 

[ajpn920]

Sasuke beating Minato? He can't even penetrate space time barrier. And by the way, how can he avoid gamarinsho? It was shown that even in Susanoo, they are vulnerable to sound genjutsu and Minato can easily summon Ma and Pa.

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Just don't tell me Minato can't summon Ma and Pa. Any offense by Sasuke can be redirected back at him.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Wait till Sasuke whips out his perfect Susanoo... even Madara will start to sweat

 

[villain55]

I had Minato. This was close

 

[Multiply]

Sasuke beating Minato? He can't even penetrate space time barrier. And by the way, how can he avoid gamarinsho? It was shown that even in Susanoo, they are vulnerable to sound genjutsu and Minato can easily summon Ma and Pa.

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Just don't tell me Minato can't summon Ma and Pa. Any offense by Sasuke can be redirected back at him.

Never thought I'd say it, but great find.

 

[Sexy Steel]

sasuke,

and next week it will be confirmed when sasuke displays his ems techs

 

[Space Cowboy]

With Enton, a battle would sway in Sasuke's favor. Just the truth

 

[ajpn920]

Never thought I'd say it, but great find.

Thanks..

 

[Blaze Release]

Sasuke beating Minato? He can't even penetrate space time barrier. And by the way, how can he avoid gamarinsho? It was shown that even in Susanoo, they are vulnerable to sound genjutsu and Minato can easily summon Ma and Pa.

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Just don't tell me Minato can't summon Ma and Pa. Any offense by Sasuke can be redirected back at him.

I will not tell you that Minato cannot sumon fukasaku and shima. I will however tell you that, nothing is in your favour when you try and argue why he can.

Its up for a debate because they are not the normal summonings and in fact having the standard toad contract isn't enough.

Reason i say this is because while he has a contract with the frog's his fighting style as you noted is more to do with hiraishin than the kuchiyose something that jiraiya specializes in. So i believe when it comes to frog based techniques Jiraiya not only had the most experience with them, but also the greatest versatility and skill.

It appears for a human to summon fukasaku & Shima, its not only down to signing a contract with them, but also the person has to shade underneath their eyes with blood, which forms a blood contract.

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They are not ordinary summons and i wouln't be surprised if it is intertwined with sennin modo usage and that only.

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"However the toads one is able to summon will depend on his/her abilities".

Jiraiya's is clearly the most versatile and experienced when it comes to frog based ninjutsu and as its been put, it depends on your abilities and NOT just the standard contract

Also minato isn't directing back any attack if firstly the attack is too fast.
Examples are amaterasu or susano arrows. Likewise he needs a seal to redirect an attack back at his opponent.

Anyway we have yet to see what edo minato can do, so for now its up in the air.
Do think ems sasuke will give alive minato a good pummeling though