Edo Madara and Sage Kabuto vs Minato and Naruto

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I like my new sig. Symbolizes the stupidity of most of Madara's fan base.

Edo Madara rival Rikudo Naruto

When did you see Edo madara using his full power?

 

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You dont care about the rest because it proves you wrong and you overrating the hell out of Edo Madara. I never said he can't use Sage mode in Edo Tensei. But they're CONDITIONS for him to gain it. He MUST absorb it out of Hashirama himself! Since he has NEVER trained his body to use SENJUTSU, period[

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]. And since the conditions doesnt have pre sage then no arguments can't be made of using Senpou Mokuton. Case and Point.

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I can admit because the manga already explains that Edo CANNOT BRING OUT YOUR FULL POWER THEREFORE NO ARUGMENTS CAN BE MADE of MADARA FULL POWER. Case and Point

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[Brother Numpsay]

peace



yes

Thanks for the concession. Now lets make this thread interesting by making arguments on how this team defeats the other.

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

Madara alone stomps as they simply cannot seal him.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Kabuto = non factor against 2 Kurama Jins.

Since Reaper Death Seal isn't restricted, Naruto does his beast to hold off Madara in BSM while Minato seals.

 

[Demonic.]

Madara can solo.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Madara and Kabuto low difficulty.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kabuto = non factor against 2 Kurama Jins.

Since Reaper Death Seal isn't restricted, Naruto does his beast to hold off Madara in BSM while Minato seals.

I didn't know Kabuto wielding Hashirama's cells makes him non factor against Kurama. Or Prolong 5 element seal to temper with theirs. Interesting...

So no one is going to make a legit argument yet?

Madara can solo.

Madara isn't soloing lol

Madara and Kabuto low difficulty.

Not a chance

 

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Naruto and Minato win this high diff,
ill explain if need be

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Naruto and Minato win this high diff,
ill explain if need be

Go ahead no one else is doing it

 

[lanakui8]

I didn't know Kabuto wielding Hashirama's cells makes him non factor against Kurama. Or Prolong 5 element seal to temper with theirs. Interesting...

How is 5 element seal a factor in this fight when its best feat is stopping kid Naruto from using KN0?

Even if the 5 element seal was some sort of uber haxed seal that completely eliminated all connection to the bijuu, why is that a factor in this fight when Kabuto has to restrain Naruto or Minato and land a clean hit on their stomach in order for it to work? That's like saying konohomaru w/ a kunai is a threat to madara because madara will die if konohomaru stabs madara in the head.

Then there's the fact that Jiraiya was able to easily remove the 5 element seal and both Minato and Naruto are superior fuinjutsu users than Jiraiya.

 

[ARGUS]

Go ahead no one else is doing it

--Naruto creates BSM/BM/KCM/SM clones and gets them to fire off rasengan barrages, multiple FRS, COFRS, and Mini-TBB as all of these completely overwhelm Kabuto and his summons, and his clones can also allow naruto to breach all of madaras susanoo variants and mokuton constructs as nothing short of PS would suffice

--Kabutos manda 2 gets eradicated by TBB or the entire onslaught of PS and Kyuubi would result in it dying, furthermore he lacks the firepower to bypass the kurama avatar, and is also much slower than father/son, on top of the fact that he is not withstanding the duos attacks at all, and him lacking edos means that he gets finished off rather easily

--Minato and Narutos kurama avatar durability allows them to tank all of madaras attacks including PS slashes,, as Minato tags naruto and can also sync his SM infused TBB to land right towards madara,

--Once Kabuto is eliminated, Minato and naruto fire off TBB barrages or

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and through their dual kurama, can charge up

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and now that they can be infused with SM, madaras PS stands no chance whatsoever

--Madaras base mokutons are really not doing much here, as mokuryu was already countered by naruto in canon, as the father/son duo have the firepower to breach all of mokuton contructs rather easily, not to mention that minato can stall madara off quite well, whilst naruto gets back and fires off SM TBB right at madara,

 

[Benjamin King]

Unbalanced matchup. Edo Madara solos. You should give Kabuto a partner like EMS Sasuke.

 

[Trúth]

Madara can solo, I guess he didn't prove himself to you guys Lol

 

[Brother Numpsay]

How is 5 element seal a factor in this fight when its best feat is stopping kid Naruto from using KN0?

Lol wrong. It stops him from using Kurama's chakra not specific certain modes (even messing with Naruto's chakra flow too). The Fuinjutsu works by using a odd number seal to disrupt the even number seal, when adding it on top of it. Kishimoto explained this. So it has nothing to do with power level.

Even if the 5 element seal was some sort of uber haxed seal that completely eliminated all connection to the bijuu, why is that a factor in this fight when Kabuto has to restrain Naruto or Minato and land a clean hit on their stomach in order for it to work? That's like saying konohomaru w/ a kunai is a threat to madara because madara will die if konohomaru stabs madara in the head.

It isnt hacks its a fuinjutsu that disrupts specific fuinjutsu, nothing else. Whats wrong with that logic. Konohomaru w/ a kunai is a threat to Madara's life since Tobirama proved that Madara needed to dodge a Kunai strike lol.

I felt the need to be a smartass here when you are basically making a comparison of Kabuto to Minato and Naruto as to Madara to konohomaru.

Then there's the fact that Jiraiya was able to easily remove the 5 element seal and both Minato and Naruto are superior fuinjutsu users than Jiraiya.

Logically Minato should be able to do something about the seal but Naruto being superior? Laughable at best. The only fuinjutsu he learn was the a prekey seal Minato gave him. Thats not learning fuinjutsu at all.

So in the end if the premise were to succeed, Madara and Kabuto aren't going to stand there and make them unseal it, thats unrealistic for them to wait, especially against a sealing master like Minato .

 

[Brother Numpsay]

--Naruto creates BSM/BM/KCM/SM clones and gets them to fire off rasengan barrages, multiple FRS, COFRS, and Mini-TBB as all of these completely overwhelm Kabuto and his summons, and his clones can also allow naruto to breach all of madaras susanoo variants and mokuton constructs as nothing short of PS would suffice

Is there evidence that Naruto can defy the effects of Shadow Clone? All Shadow Clone starts out as duplicates of the original casters, until proven.

2 Mokuton users aren't useless in this match up as you think they are. Its how the casters will use them that will be effective too (which I will go over later just want to address your points).

--Kabutos manda 2 gets eradicated by TBB or the entire onslaught of PS and Kyuubi would result in it dying, furthermore he lacks the firepower to bypass the kurama avatar, and is also much slower than father/son, on top of the fact that he is not withstanding the duos attacks at all, and him lacking edos means that he gets finished off rather easily

If Manda 2 is out it will be effective by stopping the onslaught of shadow clone barrages, since its body should be able to handle a portion of it before it goes down, since snakes have naterally shown to have the toughies Hide in the series. Even then swiping around its body will make all the clones in range go poof. As me using the Juubi's tail as visual example[

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] since they go down by direct hits. Once TBB are being use for projectile, Madara can coat Manda with PS so he isn't going to get finish off quickly then you think, since you think it isn't going to leave him to dust. Manda will further increase PS mobility to that it lacks.

--Minato and Narutos kurama avatar durability allows them to tank all of madaras attacks including PS slashes,, as Minato tags naruto and can also sync his SM infused TBB to land right towards madara,

Your combo would not be effective since it requires FTG markings, to which Kabuto could use Mandara no Jin to scatter them around to eat any markings. Do note, according to your premise, if Minato were to go down that means that match would be over in mere secs since he marked Naruto and a brainwash Minato would make use for that for Team 1 too.

--Once Kabuto is eliminated, Minato and naruto fire off TBB barrages or

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and through their dual kurama, can charge up

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and now that they can be infused with SM, madaras PS stands no chance whatsoever

Assuming he would when Kabuto along with Madara's, has many defence to keep himself in this fight with his team.

For them to charge a quality TBB would require them to stand in that position. Both Kabuto and Madara can take advantage of their position and spawn Mokuton underneath them like what happen to Bee[

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]. Since Kabuto is having Hashirama w/ Sōma no Kō, Kabuto can support further by doing his own justu while his twin does Mokuton. With that he can perfrom Muki Tensei and disblance Kurama's footing. That on top of Mokuton is guaranteed to catch them.

In case, and depending on which TBB is being used, Jukai is able to change its trajectory of a TBB according to Hashirama[

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--Madaras base mokutons are really not doing much here, as mokuryu was already countered by naruto in canon, as the father/son duo have the firepower to breach all of mokuton contructs rather easily, not to mention that minato can stall madara off quite well, whilst naruto gets back and fires off SM TBB right at madara, [/FONT][/COLOR]

Last time I remember Mokuryu focus Naruto to eject out of Kurama. Kabuto will also further support using Mokuton by using Hashirama's cells to make them even more dangerous.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I didn't know Kabuto wielding Hashirama's cells makes him non factor against Kurama. Or Prolong 5 element seal to temper with theirs. Interesting...

So no one is going to make a legit argument yet?



Madara isn't soloing lol




Not a chance

Actually yes. Madara's shockwaves intercepts incoming Bijuudama's from either Minato plus Naruto. Manda II and Ps fusion will be devastating for the duo. Once Ps is in range sound genjutsu is an option WR can immobilize Naruto etc. Minato and Naruto doesn't stand a chance. Plus Naruto's Bm has a limit.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I didn't know Kabuto wielding Hashirama's cells makes him non factor against Kurama. Or Prolong 5 element seal to temper with theirs. Interesting...

My bad, I didn't realise it was an imaginary Kabuto.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

My bad, I didn't realise it was an imaginary Kabuto.

Technically it isn't since he does have Hashirama's cells inside of him in the manga and he does have the ability to manipulate the cells to work with him. Hense why I added "for the sake of the argument"

 

[Gold Lightning]

Technically it isn't since he does have Hashirama's cells inside of him in the manga and he does have the ability to manipulate the cells to work with him. Hense why I added "for the sake of the argument"

Haven't seen him do anything noteworthy with hashis cells. And the 5 element seal thing is a joke. How's he gonna touch their stomachs, and wouldn't minato easily break such a thing.