Edo Madara and Rinnegan Obito vs BM Naruto, Killer-Bee Jin, MS Kakashi and Gai

[ARGUS]

Madara and Tobi win this mid diff at most

--Outer Path stakes, GM chains and mokuryu are still immobilising both naruto and bee, who are the only ones capable of combating PS, where bee is completely restrained, thus allowing Madara to wreck him with PS sllashes,

--Kakashi and Guy are one-shotted by a PS slash as well, neither of them have any counters to that firepower at all

--With the jins being immobilised by chains and stakes, means that Madara can use his repeated PS slashes to overwhelm them,

--Narutos KB are also meaningless when their FRS are tanked by PS with utmost ease, and they dont have the durability of the kurama avatar to tank a PS slash either,

--Naruto having a time limit on his BM just makes this worse, and firing only one TBB isnt helping him either, when PS has the ability to tank them with ease, and madara can still use his mokutons to change their trajectory,

--Once Bee is down, Madara and Obito gang bang naruto, with PS and GM

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Team two destroys with PIS/CIS turned off.

Naruto can take on Madara and Gai/Kakashi with Cloaks wreck Obito.​

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Chick is blasted, your sig.

 

[Bogard]

Madara and Tobi win this mid diff at most

No they don't

--Outer Path stakes, GM chains and mokuryu are still immobilising both naruto and bee, who are the only ones capable of combating PS, where bee is completely restrained, thus allowing Madara to wreck him with PS sllashes,

Bee(Hachibi) had no knowledge on the stakes(GM chains), so he didn't bother dodging. With knowledge, he won't be strucked by it easily(same goes for Naruto). And even if he were strucked, like we've seen in the manga, Naruto can remove them, so they aren't game changer. Naruto also overpowered Mokuryu, so it's not helping either. And no, Naruto and Bee aren't the only one who can fight PS at all. Kakashi's Kamui can on the contrary be Madara's worse nightmare if he were to use it considering his mobility would be heavilty reliant on the PS structure, so could be warped easily by Kamui, especially if Naruto gives him Kyubi cloak to make things worse. If anything i don't think using PS would be a great idea for him at all when he warped Gedo Mazo's arm in an instant

--Kakashi and Guy are one-shotted by a PS slash as well, neither of them have any counters to that firepower at all

No they aren't if they stays inside Naruto's BM chakra cloak. Inside the cloak(that tanked Jubi's laser) he could even snipe Madara easier. Outside the cloak, Naruto can still give him(as well as Gai) Kyubi chakra cloak like he gave to the alliance that helped to tank Jubi's tenpechi. And the cloak upgrade their fire power for at least 5 folds i presume(since Kyubi's normal chakra cloak upgrade by 3folds at least and Naruto's was stated to be stronger), so all their attacks including Gai's hirudora would likely be much stronger. You're heavily underestimating teamwork here

--With the jins being immobilised by chains and stakes, means that Madara can use his repeated PS slashes to overwhelm them,

Except they won't be immobilised. They would counter it with knowledge and Naruto already showed he can remove them whenever he wants

--Naruto having a time limit on his BM just makes this worse, and firing only one TBB isnt helping him either, when PS has the ability to tank them with ease, and madara can still use his mokutons to change their trajectory,

The timelimit only existed because he was new in the mode and the synchronisation was far from perfect according to Kyubi. I think by now that the timelimit doesn't exist anymore. And Naruto's Bijudamas in Kyubi mode are far stronger than regular bijudamas(it equalized the combined effort of 5Bijus). And again, Naruto isn't the only fighter here. You're heavily underestimating the power of teamwork

 

[Inert Brian]

The fact that this even is a debate is laughable.

Shall I pull out the scan where Madara binded BM Naruto with Wood dragon, then suddenly let him go because he said "they should have the time of their life" before the Juubi would return.

Oh wait, Madara binded both Bee and Naruto.

Kakashi stands a better chance against Obito but still loses. It was confirmed Obito's goal in their initial fight was to have Kakashi break his seal so he could be the JJ. Obito was challenging Naruto and Gai in CQC. 7G Gai is a problem I suppose, but he'll tire out and I fail to see how he breaks PS in all honesty.

 

[Bogard]

The fact that this even is a debate is laughable.

Considering that if i didn't restrict final gate, Gai could have soloed, no it's not laughable at all

Shall I pull out the scan where Madara binded BM Naruto with Wood dragon, then suddenly let him go because he said "they should have the time of their life" before the Juubi would return.

Taking Madara's ultra arrogance as a factual claim? Once again if Gai used the final gate at that point, Edo Madara was finished, just like when he underestimated him as well in 7th gate. Madara was just an overconfident mofo looking down on anyone especially when he lacked knowledge on their real power. He was also lucky that by the time he came, they were already exhausted, not allowing them to fight at full capacity(especially Kakashi and Gai)

Kakashi stands a better chance against Obito but still loses. It was confirmed Obito's goal in their initial fight was to have Kakashi break his seal so he could be the JJ. Obito was challenging Naruto and Gai in CQC. 7G Gai is a problem I suppose, but he'll tire out and I fail to see how he breaks PS in all honesty.

Still Kakashi showed superiority in reaction speed and close range battle even before the final clash, so i don't think it would have changed much. And Kakashi isn't fighting alone either. It's as if people thinking we're in 1 on 1 fights

 

[Inert Brian]

Considering that if i didn't restrict final gate, Gai could have soloed, no it's not laughable at all

Well yea, that's because 8th gate Gai is bullshit more powerful than his 7th gate. I mean good god Kisame tanks a falcon punch while in 8th gate he's blowing up half of JJ Mad's body lol.

Taking Madara's ultra arrogance as a factual claim?

Right after Madara mentions the time of our life line, the Hachibi says in his head "(The bindings have loosened up)".

Once again if Gai used the final gate at that point, Edo Madara was finished, just like when he underestimated him as well in 7th gate.

Actually you did remind me of that scan where 7G was pushing him back a bit. But I still fail to see how Asakujaku beats PS, when PS tanked 4 Juubito TBBs.

He was also lucky that by the time he came, they were already exhausted, not allowing them to fight at full capacity(especially Kakashi and Gai)

Naruto was completely fine, but KB was suffering from injuries. Irrelevant anyway tbh, because if BM Naruto wasn't breaking wood dragon, then I doubt Hachibi was breaking free of the bindings.

Still Kakashi showed superiority in reaction speed and close range battle even before the final clash, so i don't think it would have changed much. And Kakashi isn't fighting alone either. It's as if people thinking we're in 1 on 1 fights

When they fought before Madara told Obito to fight Kakashi and Gai while he took on the Jins. Madara would neg the jins again. Idk if Obito's phasing can react to 7G, that'd seem stupid if it could but Kishi never showed us intangability's limits :l
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Just read the conditions and didn't realize knowledge is current. This fight is more difficulty for team Uchiha but Edo Madara still outlasts Kyubi shrouded 7G Gai.

 

[maniaoqan]

They lose if Madara aims for the kill. He admitted he was going easy because they were jinjuuriki. He wanted to capture them not kill them. Mokuton binding+PS slash would destroy them. Obito will be on standby to warp them while Madara forces them to give an opening.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Madara and Tobi win this mid diff at most

--Outer Path stakes, GM chains and mokuryu are still immobilising both naruto and bee, who are the only ones capable of combating PS, where bee is completely restrained, thus allowing Madara to wreck him with PS sllashes,

--Kakashi and Guy are one-shotted by a PS slash as well, neither of them have any counters to that firepower at all

--With the jins being immobilised by chains and stakes, means that Madara can use his repeated PS slashes to overwhelm them,

--Narutos KB are also meaningless when their FRS are tanked by PS with utmost ease, and they dont have the durability of the kurama avatar to tank a PS slash either,

--Naruto having a time limit on his BM just makes this worse, and firing only one TBB isnt helping him either, when PS has the ability to tank them with ease, and madara can still use his mokutons to change their trajectory,

--Once Bee is down, Madara and Obito gang bang naruto, with PS and GM

The fact that this even is a debate is laughable.

Shall I pull out the scan where Madara binded BM Naruto with Wood dragon, then suddenly let him go because he said "they should have the time of their life" before the Juubi would return.

Oh wait, Madara binded both Bee and Naruto.

Kakashi stands a better chance against Obito but still loses. It was confirmed Obito's goal in their initial fight was to have Kakashi break his seal so he could be the JJ. Obito was challenging Naruto and Gai in CQC. 7G Gai is a problem I suppose, but he'll tire out and I fail to see how he breaks PS in all honesty.

it's for these reasons that i'm more confident in going with T1 on this. This, Preta, & and Madara never getting tired and T2's lack of really being any any optimal position to immobilize Madara seals the deal for me. Obito can also serve as the factor that prevents T2's Kamui from really being serviceable as a real advantage imo.

 

[Yocolaw]

Edo Madara alone can decimate Gai and Kakashi with a single swipe of his blade, meaning they both have to stay inside Naruto's BM avatar, therefore Gai in this fight is almost entirely useless, considering he can't fight (Taijutsu) properly.

Mokuryu temporarily restrains BM like it did in canon, and Madara casts Tengai Shinsei while this is happening. Bee is the only one who can do something in that situation, but Madara would be pressuring him with Mokuton Clones and Madara can instantly drop a second meteor, Bee hasn't shown the capability of firing more than 5 Bijuudama, twice in a row.

Adding Obito here just makes it worse.

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Did you forget that gai never released 7gates in the war untile he fought this madara

 

[ARGUS]

No they don't

Bee(Hachibi) had no knowledge on the stakes(GM chains), so he didn't bother dodging. With knowledge, he won't be strucked by it easily(same goes for Naruto)

Nope,

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especially when the stakes are huge, and hachibis mobility and speed are not enough to dodge them,
Hachibi was also struggling against mokuryu completely, and only broke free until madaras control over them diminished,
however this time, madara would eradicate the hachibi with PS once its immobilised

. And even if he were strucked, like we've seen in the manga, Naruto can remove them, so they aren't game changer.

They are, becausee this time madara wont be just standing there and doing nothing, he would be attacking them with PS once they are restrained,

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and naruto is not removing them and combating PS and mokuton at the same time,

Naruto also overpowered Mokuryu, so it's not helping either.

It stilll immobilised him for a sufficient amount of time, therefore allowing madara to attack him wiith repeated PS slashes, and obito to bind him with chakra rods and GM chains,
and naruto dropping his kurama avatar to counter mokuryu would just result in him getting wrecked by PS

And no, Naruto and Bee aren't the only one who can fight PS at all. Kakashi's Kamui can on the contrary be Madara's worse nightmare if he were to use it considering his mobility would be heavilty reliant on the PS structure, so could be warped easily by Kamui, especially if Naruto gives him Kyubi cloak to make things worse. If anything i don't think using PS would be a great idea for him at all when he warped Gedo Mazo's arm in an instant

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all its doing is putting a toll on kakashi, and kakashi without kamui is just non factor,

No they aren't if they stays inside Naruto's BM chakra cloak. Inside the cloak(that tanked Jubi's laser) he could even snipe Madara easier. Outside the cloak, Naruto can still give him(as well as Gai) Kyubi chakra cloak like he gave to the alliance that helped to tank Jubi's tenpechi. And the cloak upgrade their fire power for at least 5 folds i presume(since Kyubi's normal chakra cloak upgrade by 3folds at least and Naruto's was stated to be stronger), so all their attacks including Gai's hirudora would likely be much stronger. You're heavily underestimating teamwork here

--Kakashis kamui attempts are negated by Obito, so that is non factor,

--Hachibi is restrained by Chakra rods, mokuryu and GM chains completely, thus allowing madara to wreck him with PS

--Obito can also trap most of them with Uchiha kaejin, as seperating them would render their teamwork moot,

--Hirudora is not doing shit to PS either, and madara can still use his PS slash to eradicate guy once he steps out of the avatar to attack

--Naruto using diversions or clones to attack are also meaningless when one stroke of PS blade will one-shot the clones compeletely

Except they won't be immobilised. They would counter it with knowledge and Naruto already showed he can remove them whenever he wants

--Hachibi is not evading the GM chains, and was unable to even escape mokuryu, as all madara has to do is swing his PS blade and it gets wrecked, and diversions arent helping either

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--Naruto having the intel isnt helping either when apart from him none of them even stand a chance, and all his attempts of TBB are either intercepted by GM chains, mokuton, PS slashes, or chakra rods, and the weaker TBB are either tanked by PS or their trajectory is changed by mokutons

The timelimit only existed because he was new in the mode and the synchronisation was far from perfect according to Kyubi. I think by now that the timelimit doesn't exist anymore. And Naruto's Bijudamas in Kyubi mode are far stronger than regular bijudamas(it equalized the combined effort of 5Bijus). And again, Naruto isn't the only fighter here. You're heavily underestimating the power of teamwork

the time limit still exists, the only difference is that it isnt that short anymore,
and Naruto is never getting the time to even fire off his TBB when the uchihas have ways to restrain him quite well, and theiir attacks have much quickerr formation speed than any of narutos effective TBB
and repeated PS slashes would knock him back well enough to allow Tobi to use the GM chains to suck him in,

 

[Yocolaw]

besides gai was at 60% health before he fought jubbi madara in 7gates

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[TRE MERCER]

Didn't Obito cannonly push team 2 high difficulty alone? Adding Edo Madara makes this a slaughter match...

 

[Minator93]

Since it's "Edo" Madara with an intent to kill, Team Obito takes this U_U

Edo Madara with an intent to kill means we could get 4 Destruction Incarnates for 4 opponents. I know 4 PSS sounds crazy but he did use 25 legged Susanoo at one point. Even two would be very troublesome.

Also If Kakashi is engaged with Madara then then battle is over anyways since Kamui won't cancel Kamui. About clones, well Obito can simply throw any clones that may have entered the Kamui dimension as he threw the Shurikens out

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He didn't do this in the manga for plot purposes U_U

Also I don't see Gedo Mazo restricted, so Obito can nullify Bee v2 with Rinnegan's outer path chains whilst Madara engages Naruto directly. Once confined Obito can use either of the following and it's GG for Killer Bee

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And if worse comes to worst Obito can revive Edo Madara and he becomes Rinne Tensei Madara, hands him the Dual Rinnegan and after that it's Limbo all over the place U_U

 

[Bronze]

PS only rivals the power of a tailed beast. A perfect Jinchuuriki surpasses a tailed beasts power.

No, Jinchuuriki doesn't surpass a Bijuu in power. It only surpasses it in using the power (skill). PS still cuts BM Naruto and Bee open, and takes out Kakashi and Gai by the shock-wave.

 

[Conspirator.]

No, Jinchuuriki doesn't surpass a Bijuu in power. It only surpasses it in using the power (skill). PS still cuts BM Naruto and Bee open, and takes out Kakashi and Gai by the shock-wave.

I agree that a PS slash destroys Bee in hacibi mode, and Kakashi/Gai, but I am pretty sure BM naruto should tank the shockwave, given how he survived the Juubi's laser with the loss of only 6 tails.

 

[Bronze]

I agree that a PS slash destroys Bee in hacibi mode, and Kakashi/Gai, but I am pretty sure BM naruto should tank the shockwave, given how he survived the Juubi's laser with the loss of only 6 tails.

Juubi's laser function through blasting and explosive type. PS's blade functions through cutting type. Recall how Futon: Rasenshuriken pinned down Kurama and had him badly damaged? [

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] What's important is how the damage functions, and PS operates through cutting damage, so BM Naruto will not survive a cutting attack that cuts mountains, given to how Kurama couldn't tank SM Futon: Rasenshuriken.

 

[Strict]

Kakashi is rather useless in this battle. Kamui doesn't work on Obito, and if he manages to Kamui Madara, Obito will just release him. Madara created 25 clones using Susanoo. He will warp one or two of Madaras clones into the Kamui dimension, in order to be protected once Kakashi absorbs a clone as well, in order to attack Obito from the other dimension.

Madara alone beat Naruto and Bee rather easy. He will restrain the Hachibi with no problems and send out a few clones for fighting Gai and Kakashi. This means multiple Susanoo against Gai and Kakashi.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Madara kicks kakashi to death. After that, the only way they could stand a chance against obito was if When Madara decided to betray him.

 

[lanakui8]

Madara and Tobi win this mid diff at most

--Outer Path stakes, GM chains and mokuryu are still immobilising both naruto and bee, who are the only ones capable of combating PS, where bee is completely restrained, thus allowing Madara to wreck him with PS sllashes,

naruto w/ current knowledge fodderizes mokuryu with a nukei or rasengan instead of trying to wrestle it. GM chains aren't a factor since madara is an edo.

PS eats a super bijuudama.

--Kakashi and Guy are one-shotted by a PS slash as well, neither of them have any counters to that firepower at all

kakashi stays in naruto's avatar and snipes PS with a kyuubi shroud enhanced kamui. Kyuubi shrouded gai fires off AT.

--Narutos KB are also meaningless when their FRS are tanked by PS with utmost ease, and they dont have the durability of the kurama avatar to tank a PS slash either,

KBs fire FRS/ Chou oodama FRS/bijuu rasengans from within the avatar's tails, or are thrown like the K11 were against juubito.

--Naruto having a time limit on his BM just makes this worse, and firing only one TBB isnt helping him either, when PS has the ability to tank them with ease, and madara can still use his mokutons to change their trajectory,

When has PS been shown the ability to tank bijuudama with ease? madara can use SM hashirama-level mokutons while in PS? His strongest mokuton to date doesn't even compare to the ones that base hashirama were capable of, and the plan was to slow the juubidama down with the giant dotons while hashirama changed its path with his mokutons.

--Once Bee is down, Madara and Obito gang bang naruto, with PS and GM

kyuubi cloak kakashi warps a bunch of kcm clones into kamui dimension and obito is screwed. Madara gets gang banged by the four of them.