Edo Kimimaro Vs Tsunade
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Kimimaro is basically a better version of Tsunade. He is faster, has a far more dangerous and unpredictable Taijutsu style, and is multiple times more durable than she is. If an attack somehow manages to get past his insane durability (which is difficult, especially when he augments himself with CS2), he has regeneration to fall back on. Unlike Tsunade, he is not restricted to CQC and can choose to attack from a distance with finger bullets and bone forests.
It is fully within Kimimaro's capability to dance around Tsunade and carve her up with his bone techniques thanks to his superior speed and unpredictability and effectiveness of his Taijutsu. Once he realizes she is capable of regeneration as well, he can either choose to end it quickly by sticking a bone in her skull or can continue to carve her up until she wastes all of her energy healing herself from mortal wounds.
He doesn't need to be an Edo to take this - he just needs to be healthy and not die due to illness.
It is fully within Kimimaro's capability to dance around Tsunade and carve her up with his bone techniques thanks to his superior speed and unpredictability and effectiveness of his Taijutsu. Once he realizes she is capable of regeneration as well, he can either choose to end it quickly by sticking a bone in her skull or can continue to carve her up until she wastes all of her energy healing herself from mortal wounds.
He doesn't need to be an Edo to take this - he just needs to be healthy and not die due to illness.
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Curse Mark
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Edo shitstomps. Like he literally stomps her and proceeds to take a big ol' shit right on tsunade's chest and then just stomp it in.
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Kimmimaro can survive being cut in half?
Im pretty sure Madara V1 Susanoo > Kimmimaro's bones
Tsunade has Katsuyu so she isn't entirely restricted to CQC ( IE Acid )
If he chooses to "Dance" with her she simply smashes the ground and heal herself
I can agree Kimmimaro is faster than Tsunade, but I wouldn't say he's "Far" more deadly than her. If she gets a puch on him I can see this being a Good game ( Short circuit his body )
Bone Forest: She's reacted to a full speeding Orochimaru ( Who is much faster than Tsunade ) and she's reacted to Kabuto when he went under ground She can very much react to bone forest and just stand on the tip of one of them
If he tries to turn himself into one of the bones he's basically gotten himself inside Tsunades range, Now at this point Tsunades at full alert so she can most likely dodge Kimmimaro when he turned into a bone to Cammielia Flower her from behind.
If he does hit her with Cammielia Flower she can simply tank it and regen then counter with a punch filled with electricity to short circuit him and then continue to smash him.
Bone Bullets: so if Kimmimaro takes the range she can simply Summon Katsuyu and have him at bay with acid.
Over-all Kimmimaro will win if he chooses the range side only way Tsunade can win at that point is if Katsuyu's Acid can melt his bones.
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You don't understand what durability is. Durability is taking immense amount of damage without getting hurt. Tsunade is not durable - she gets hurt just like any other human only she can heal and regenerate. Kimimaro is multiple times more durable than Tsunade; he has bones comparable to steel to begin with, let alone when he enhances himself with CS2. He was strolling through Gaara's mineral enhanced sand coffins with no damage.
If Kimimaro takes damage, he has regeneration just like Tsunade does.
Smash the ground and what? Send debris all over the place like she did against Kabuto which ruins her own line of sight and set herself up for getting blind sided? Kimimaro is faster than her and has better Taijutsu than her; he can avoid her linear fighting style while simultaneously carving her up with his bones.
There is no evidence that DB1 Orochimaru with no arms and afflicted with an illness eating away at his body has the same 4.5 he has in DB3. You'd also have to prove that Orochimaru was using his full speed when his target was an unconscious 12 year old.
Furthermore, you're putting too much weight on an interception feat, which temporarily give characters far superior speed than they actually possess for drama. Kakashi casually intercepted Sasuke when he was bum rushing Sakura with Chidori, but that doesn't mean Kakashi is significantly faster than Sasuke.
She saw Kabuto burrow underground right in front of her eyes, he wasn't exactly being subtle about it. Not to mention that Kabuto successfully blind sided her and tagged her on multiple limbs, effectively disabling her body. Had he been blood lusted, she would have died right there.
That's a great idea if she wants to get skewered and impaled.
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You don't understand what durability is. Durability is taking immense amount of damage without getting hurt. Tsunade is not durable - she gets hurt just like any other human only she can heal and regenerate. Kimimaro is multiple times more durable than Tsunade; he has bones comparable to steel to begin with, let alone when he enhances himself with CS2. He was strolling through Gaara's mineral enhanced sand coffins with no damage.
Ok, not feeling pain wont stop her from short circuiting his body and continue to smash him
If Kimimaro takes damage, he has regeneration just like Tsunade does.
How effective is regeneration when you cant utilize it once he's been short circuited
Smash the ground and what? Send debris all over the place like she did against Kabuto which ruins her own line of sight and set herself up for getting blind sided? Kimimaro is faster than her and has better Taijutsu than her; he can avoid her linear fighting style while simultaneously carving her up with his bones.
She wont send debris I meant as to get him to jump away and stop carving her, the main point is to just create a crater ( Which doesn't block line of vision )
There is no evidence that DB1 Orochimaru with no arms and afflicted with an illness eating away at his body has the same 4.5 he has in DB3. You'd also have to prove that Orochimaru was using his full speed when his target was an unconscious 12 year old.
It may not be "Full speed" but this was pretty fast. Probably his fastest feat in Part 1You must be registered for see links
Furthermore, you're putting too much weight on an interception feat, which temporarily give characters far superior speed than they actually possess for drama. Kakashi casually intercepted Sasuke when he was bum rushing Sakura with Chidori, but that doesn't mean Kakashi is significantly faster than Sasuke.
I was using her interception feat as a reaction feat
She saw Kabuto burrow underground right in front of her eyes, he wasn't exactly being subtle about it. Not to mention that Kabuto successfully blind sided her and tagged her on multiple limbs, effectively disabling her body. Had he been blood lusted, she would have died right there.
Ok, once she gets hit regen?
That's a great idea if she wants to get skewered and impaled.
How will she get skewered if she's continually moving ( Ninja's cant stand on tips? )
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Everyone who says alive Kimimaro > Tsunade is trolling/ is delusional. Underrating a Hokage to a low jounin's level is wrong.
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He is low Jonin according to who, you?
His feats are easily above most characters in Part I (barring perhaps Orochimaru and Itachi), and he accomplished his feats moments after getting off his death bed, and moving his body on
Attribute-wise, he has durability second only to the likes of the third Raikage, with bones as
From a DB perspective, his relevant CQC stats are all easily Kage level. Speed ranks at 4.5 (i.e. on par with Pain arc Kakashi and Hebi Sasuke), Taijutsu skill ranks at a perfect 5 (i.e. on par with the likes of Gai), and stamina ranks at 4.5. Admittedly, his physical strength ranks at only 3, but he doesn't need physical power when he can skewer and cut up opponents with his sharp bones.
From a hype perspective, Orochimaru outright stated that Kimimaro was the body he
It is you who is delusional if you're only argument is "Tsunade is lolkage."
His feats are easily above most characters in Part I (barring perhaps Orochimaru and Itachi), and he accomplished his feats moments after getting off his death bed, and moving his body on
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. Kabuto himself was shocked Kimimaro was
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, let alone fighting against three strong opponents in a row. He easily man-handled the sound four, who in turn managed to defeat not one but two low Jonin level fighters, so Kimimaro is by definition not low Jonin level. Attribute-wise, he has durability second only to the likes of the third Raikage, with bones as
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, shaking off mineral enhanced sand coffins as if it were nothing. He has an unpredictable fighting style second to none (barring Killer Bee perhaps) with the ability to attack in random patterns and unexpectedly protrude bones from anywhere on his body. He has similar regeneration capabilities as Tsunade as well.From a DB perspective, his relevant CQC stats are all easily Kage level. Speed ranks at 4.5 (i.e. on par with Pain arc Kakashi and Hebi Sasuke), Taijutsu skill ranks at a perfect 5 (i.e. on par with the likes of Gai), and stamina ranks at 4.5. Admittedly, his physical strength ranks at only 3, but he doesn't need physical power when he can skewer and cut up opponents with his sharp bones.
From a hype perspective, Orochimaru outright stated that Kimimaro was the body he
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and had he come with him, the Konoha invasion would have gone "smoothly." Kabuto admitted inferiority to Kimimaro, stating that Kimimaro is Orochimaru's
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, and this is coming from the same guy who gave Tsunade a run for her money.It is you who is delusional if you're only argument is "Tsunade is lolkage."
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If you can't accept the fact that Kimimaro is nothing but a low jounin, who stands no chance against a Hokage, the problem isn't with me.
Even part1 Gaara ( who was soloed basically by everyone ) defeated Kimimaro. Yes, I know he was sick, but he still lost to a gennin.
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If all you can do is regurgitate "he is low Jonin" with nothing to back your statement, your argument is nonexistent. I have provided solid facts to back my statements, while all you have done is spew unsupported nonsense. I guess you believe Tsunade is stronger than current Sasuke and Naruto too because "lolgenin" right?
Kimimaro beat the sound four single-handedly, who in turn beat two low Jonin, so as I said earlier, he is by definition above low Jonin level.
And Tsunade lost to Kabuto, who in turn admitted inferiority to Kimimaro, thus Kimimaro is stronger than Tsunade using your outstanding primitive logic.
He was more than just sick - he was moments away from death, and was not supposed to be able to move, let alone fight. Stop trying to undervalue the fact that he was hooked up to a complex life support system.
You are misinformed or being willfully ignorant if you believe Gaara was Genin level during Sasuke Retrieval Arc.
In the first freakin' chapter of this series, Naruto stomped a Chunin (Mizuki). Several chapters later, Sasuke did the same to not one, but two Chunin (Demon Brothers) and this was without the Sharingan. Rock Lee then proceeded to man-handle that very same Sasuke with Sharingan unlocked without using gates or removing his leg weights. That same Rock Lee, using gates, lost to Chunin Exam Gaara. SRA Gaara is stronger than Chunin exam Gaara.
KN0 Naruto and Rock Lee were easily low Jonin level, while SRA Gaara was on the higher end of the Jonin spectrum, if not low Kage level. He became the Kazekage over the timeskip, and it is not a stretch to say he was promoted shortly after the Sasuke Retreival Arc. We saw how fast Konoha rushed to promote Kakashi / Danzo as Tsunade replacements due to how important it is to have a Kage in place, and I'm sure the other villages have similar policies. We cannot assume the sand went Kage-less for an extended period of time.
Kimimaro lost after demolishing KN0 Naruto's KB army, Rock Lee (albeit ungated), and SRA Gaara. And he never lost in the traditional sense - his sickness overwhelmed him, not the strength of his enemies.
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