Edo kcm minato vs Edo itachi.

Who wins?

  • Edo minato

    Votes: 28 75.7%
  • Edo itachi

    Votes: 9 24.3%

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The major difference between reflexive speed and shunshin is that reflexive speed depends on your body capacity to act or react accordingly, when Shunshin doesn't depend on your body movement at all. Like i've stated it's a ninjutsu technique. Depending on the amount of chakra you mold, you can travel through far distances. For more explanations, here is a link:
Yes i was looking at that .. however it explains it like it is the thing when shinobi poof up in smoke .. which i have never seen anyone use mid battle
 

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Yes i was looking at that .. however it explains it like it is the thing when shinobi poof up in smoke .. which i have never seen anyone use mid battle
It's said occasionally. It doesn't always happen. Like it's said, it depends on the user if he wants to hide his movement or not. Anyway concerning speed, luckily someone made a thread about it and i agree with almost everything he said. You can take a look if you want:
 

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..All itachi needs to do is use it on the susanoo .. he does not really have to control it .. it will spread and cover his susano just like it would on any other surface ..
Not sure if serious right now.

He is inside Susanoo, how is he going to light the outside on fire with Amaterasu?

Also, Amaterasu isn't just going to spread and cover his Susanoo nor would it do that to any other surface.
 
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It's said occasionally. It doesn't always happen. Like it's said, it depends on the user if he wants to hide his movement or not. Anyway concerning speed, luckily someone made a thread about it and i agree with almost everything he said. You can take a look if you want:
Ahh i get it more now .. thanks my man
 

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Not sure if serious right now.

He is inside Susanoo, how is he going to light the outside on fire with Amaterasu?
..It goes through 0.o its obviously been shown that you can deiced what goes in and out of susano (Sasuke's sword) ...i mean i'll probably sound like an idiot for asking this .. but how does enton get out of susano ..


And then if he can not do that he could simply light the ground around him with amertarasu ..
 

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..It goes through 0.o its obviously been shown that you can deiced what goes in and out of susano (Sasuke's sword) ...i mean i'll probably sound like an idiot for asking this .. but how does enton get out of susano ..


And then if he can not do that he could simply light the ground around him with amertarasu ..
Sasuke throwing his sword is completely different from what you are saying Itachi can do. How is he going to light the outside armor of his Susanoo when he can't even see it due to it being outside Susanoo and outside his field of vision?

Enton was never in Susanoo to begin with, when used with Susanoo its always on it or wielded by it as a weapon.

Lighting the ground around isn't going to work.

-Minato could simply jump above it and tap Itachi's Susanoo that way.
-Itachi isn't forming a circle of Amaterasu around his whole Susanoo before Minato touches it. (unless he does it befo
 

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Not sure if serious right now.

He is inside Susanoo, how is he going to light the outside on fire with Amaterasu?

Also, Amaterasu isn't just going to spread and cover his Susanoo nor would it do that to any other surface.
Why not Here its at half a circle Here it is a complete circle pretty sure it spreads ...

Edit- The flames burn pretty high .......and all he really needs to do is cover the back as to negate a speed blitz
 

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Why not Here its at half a circle Here it is a complete circle pretty sure it spreads ...

Edit- The flames burn pretty high .......and all he really needs to do is cover the back as to negate a speed blitz
On trees, trees (Wood and Leaves) are flammable. A normal surface isn't as flammable as trees so of course it would spread on trees faster.

Again, it made use of the trees to burn that high and spread that fast. There are no trees here so this is the highest that circle is going to get.

Besides, Itachi does that and then what? If he comes out of the circle he's screwed and he can't even dream of touching Minato from long range.

He'll have to cover all around his Susanoo to do so, something he isn't doing before Minato gets to him unless he does it before Minato ever tries to get to him.
 

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On trees, trees (Wood and Leaves) are flammable. A normal surface isn't as flammable as trees so of course it would spread on trees faster.

Again, it made use of the trees to burn that high and spread that fast. There are no trees here so this is the highest that circle is going to get.

Besides, Itachi does that and then what? If he comes out of the circle he's screwed and he can't even dream of touching Minato from long range.

He'll have to cover all around his Susanoo to do so, something he isn't doing before Minato gets to him unless he does it before Minato ever tries to get to him.
I said just the back.. And not really if itachi were smart which he is he could just amertarasu the seals that minato teleports to .. making it incapable of porting back there again .. or even catching him off guard .. but anyways ill concede :sweat: never really liked this matchup i just think Minato is overrated ..While itachi is slowly becoming Underrated actually U_U nice job busting my shit KG
 

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I said just the back.. And not really if itachi were smart which he is he could just amertarasu the seals that minato teleports to . making it incapable of porting back there again .. or even catching him off guard .. but anyways ill concede :sweat: never really liked this matchup i just think Minato is overrated ..While itachi is slowly becoming Underrated actually U_U nice job busting my shit KG
lol, thanks I guess.

Though, no. Itachi is not becoming underrated. He'll never become underrated.
 

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lol, thanks I guess.

Though, no. Itachi is not becoming underrated. He'll never become underrated.
.. How has he not? barley any still fanboying over him .. i know 2 Itachistillsolo's and immortal itachi .. and the latter does not really troll, Barley any threads about how he is the soloking any more .. now its almost all about minato .. Idk its just that ever since minato has been more active people just start overlooking itachi's abilities its no where near as bad as it was before the Hokage's revival
 

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.. How has he not? barley any still fanboying over him .. i know 2 Itachistillsolo's and immortal itachi .. and the latter does not really troll, Barley any threads about how he is the soloking any more .. now its almost all about minato .. Idk its just that ever since minato has been more active people just start overlooking itachi's abilities its no where near as bad as it was before the Hokage's revival
People not fanboying=/=People underrating him. Saying he isnt the solo king isn't him being underrated as he wasn't the solo king to begin with.
 

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I was talking about the other way he can teleport opponent which is via chakra without touching them, so i supposed what he did to kurama.
To answer your question i actually think obito still having the seal is too convenient actually, and there is a bit of plot there. He knew minato marked him 16 years ago. Granted minato died that night, but for him not to even think about possibly finding a way to get rid of the mark is too reckless. Yes it cannot be erased, but other methods such as oral rebirth could overcome it. In obito's case i would think him mokuton ability where he gains an ability manipulate his body he couldv'e gotten rid of it, he is half zetsu after all.

Not sure about being tiers above itachi, especially coming from a minato fan.
I would put edo kcm minato above edo itachi though, but anybody with what appears to be half of kurama's chakra automatically gains a power boost.

Nd i do see the totsuka sealing at the very best half of kurama
Actually the only reason i stated that was to prove that doujutsu cannot detect the ftg seal.
- obitos sharingan couldnt when the ftg kunai went straight at him
- the seal on his body wasnt noticed either.

Well everything in the manga is plot, including itachis izanami which i felt was a pure plot hype and exaggeration, but youd obviouslt disagree being an itachi fan.
 

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No one can feel or sense the FTG marking or Minato's chakra[when he utilizes it for FTG] because of what we've seen U_U

Alive Minato is above Alive Itachi with Med Diff
KCM Edo Minato as one member said "Murder-Stomps" Edo Itachi

People who say how can Minato seal him need to slap themselves U_U

Also if anyone's gonna argue then be prepared. Imma drop how Alive Minato up until 560 beats the Final Itachi, getting past the Susanoo is included as well! With Current FTG haxx and non-KCM feats he goes even above U_U

Minato wins this,he has all the answers to Itachi's attacks and can come out as the victor if the two of them were to face each other in ideal conditions.

Read the following

Minato vs Sharingan Itachi :

Minato can beat Sharingan Itachi.

Minato has more speed,raw strength,chakra, powerful summons, seals.

Further he did beat Sharingan Tobi [MS Obito].


Minato vs Amaterasu :

A Few thing from wiki :
A using his Lightning Release Armour enhanced Body Flicker Technique avoided a short-range Amaterasu launched at him by Sasuke in an instant.

The only thing that the flames have failed to burn into or through is Gaara's chakra-infused sand. However, the flames burn fairly slowly, sometimes allowing anyone struck by Amaterasu an opportunity to remove whatever clothing or body parts have been caught ablaze. Nagato was able to deflect the flames from his body using Shinra Tensei. Use of the technique also puts a great deal of strain on the user, usually causing their eyes to bleed.

Minato dodged A's FULL speed the picture is in the Susanoo section below.
We've seen that A who wasn't even using his full speed dodged Sasuke's Amaterasu [Which according to Shee was better than Itachi's] at very close range. So Minato can do the same with more ease.

So even if Minato gets hit by Amaterasu he being the fastest of them all and thanks to s/t can save himself by teleporting himself back to his safe house. He did this when Tobi had bombed new-born Naruto.

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Plus Itachi can't use Amaterasu very often it affects him badly because he lacks the Eternal

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One more thing Jiraya sealed Amaterasu. So its safe to assume that Minato being the sealing master he is can do the same with more ease.

Minato vs Tsukuyomi :

Tsukuyomi requires eye contact to be performed. Its a short Ranged Genjutsu and to my knowledge the root knew about it and It hasn't killed a single soul.

Guy was confident to go up against Itachi w/out Eye contact a Jounin os his calibre can fight w/pot eye contact. Further its common knowledge that when fighting a Sharingan user avoid eye contact and that can be done.

For Itachi to trap Minato in tsukuyomi Minato need to look directly into hie eyes and that to at a cllose range which Minato will never do.

In fact Itachi can't afford to keep Minato at a close range because Minato is bad close range match up.

I mean look at all his fights all he does is to get close to the opponent, All those fodders, Tobi even A the raikage...all those pictures are posted below.

Minato vs Susanoo :

Minato can get past Itachi's complete Susanoo -

Here are some photos that shows that Minato can teleport in a radius of few meters around the FTG Kunai

Look at the distance

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Appearing directly above Tobi

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Marked Tobi's Back but attacked from the front

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Teleporting himself to the Kunai

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This is the width of Itachi's Complete Susanoo
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From the above data its pretty clear than minato can get past the susanoo via FTG Kunai i.e. Teleporting Inside of it.

Further once Minato's done that Itachi's end is fixed because his body is under enormous amount of pain He won't be able to defend himself.

There are other ways as well such as marking the ground or stones etc.
Minato can attack the susanoo itself :
Here we can see that Danzo used his Summon against Sasuke's Offensive, long Ranged Complete Susanoo

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And it reduced the Susanoo to the incomplete state, the only reason it failed becasue Fire worked against the wind.

In Minato and Itachi's case Minato can use this on Itachi's Defensive Susanoo

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Don't forget Gamabunata has water style that has advantage against Fire style.

Also this is the same summon that went up against Strong Rinnegan summons held its own against a tailed beast Shukaku and restrained a complete Kurama

Plus Minato can use this as well

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The three most powerful toads :

Also before saying BS like Itachi can control them via genjutsu Consider Itachi's state and the Chakra being drained from his body [used for maintaining MS and Susanoo]. He can't do shit against them. He is not Nagato!

In fact now that I think about it Itachi cant put up a descent fight if he has to go through all these summmons.

This could also be the thing why Jiraya was so confident when we was up against Itachi and Kisame

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I mean yeah Itachi never intended to fight but I have 1 question, Has Jiraya ever underestimated his opponent or boasted that He would kill someone who's power would be greater than his ?

Don't you remember what he did before going up against Pain?, He summoned Gerotora because Pain was the only opponent Jiraya wasn't sure about.

One more thing before posting the pic that show Itachi blocking the Rinnegan view with shuriken, The Rinnegan summons don't think for themself they just do what the Rinnegan user wishes that's why they just charge at the opponent w/out thinking or w/out any strategy.

Minato avoiding Direct eye-contacnt against Tobi :

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I honestly didn't spend the time to read all of that, because I already agree with you.

I will however like to mention another possible strategy.

Minato has the space time barrier, allowing him to transport any projectile wherever he wants. This is frankly a secret OP jutsu. Just think. He could have Gama shoot a water cannonball and then warp it INTO Itachi's Susanoo. That should be entirely within the realm of possibility. Similarly, Minato could also warp one of his kunai into Susanoo, allowing him to teleport into it.

I just wanted to add another possible strategy to Minato's arsenal.

Edit: Also a possible argument to those of you saying that he would look into Itachi's eyes because he did against Tobi, a possible explanation is that Minato, knowing that Tobi was already using a genjutsu to control the fox, would be unable to use it on Minato at the same time. So Minato, understanding that he was not threatened by genjutsu, freely looked into Tobi's eyes.
Also check this thread

Edit :

Kishimoto has already answered in his fanbook that anyone with toad contract can summon Ma and Pa. If Minato does that U_U




 

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enton shield has become useless against minato, thanks to chapter 639.

minato can now warp things by having his chakra touch what he wants to warp. this means he can warp susanoo away, not just by touching it directly, but instead by throwing his ftg kunai at susanoo and afterwards warp it. what this means is that minato can now long range warp, instead of ftg being purely close range.

his ftg kunais carry his ftg marking = his chakra.

thanks to this, sasuke is no match for minato anymore.
 
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