Edo Itachi vs SM Kabuto

[LuckyMan]

Physical limitations exist only because of some kind of defect with the body or because something in the body is being overtaxed in someway. Edo Tensei do not possess the conventional human body. No organs at all.

-Itachi has no sickness when an Edo Tensei.
-Itachi was able to act in White Rage and use Susanoo despite Sasuke w/ a living body being unable to do so.

Susanoo causes pain, and it has something to do with the cells. Itachi against White Rage shows that he either doesn't feel anywhere close to the same amount of pain the human body feels, or that he doesn't feel pain at all. Edo Tensei don't have cells either.

I agree that using Ribcage w/ a clone isn't the key to victory, it's just the key to countering Genjutsu.

And despite all of that, Nagato was still unable to walk.

Itachi does feel pain. He squinted, held his ears, and couldn't move, just like Sasuke. Sasuke not being able to maintain Susanoo only means Itachis focus and chakra control is better than his.

How exactly do you think Itachi wins this? I'm curious.

 

[Haizaki]

Evani, hop off bruh. It's getting old. You may still be butthurt, but I'm not. If you weren't so busy wiping your tears attempting to catch me slipping, you'd realize that what you are saying doesn't make sense.

1. I did claim Alive Itachi can do the same and I never stated that he can't, nor has anyone proved that he can't.
2. I clearly stated that Wood Clones let the user allocate any amount of power they want to the clones. So it can be half, or it can be a quarter. Read before you reply. It'll save me a lot of time. Manga chapter where Obito was about to become the Jin, I suggest you go read where Madara was fodderizing Hashirama's weak clones.
3. I never said that Zombie Body is the only reason Itachi can use Susanoo w/ clones, I said it's the reason why his argument doesn't work in this specific instance.



I've already explained why. If all you can do is repeat a defeated argument then you should do me a favor and bow out now. Even if you were right, that is evidence that Madara can't use 25 clones w/ Shadow Clones. Not evidence that he can't use a weaker version with one clone.

Hahaha I'm butthurt because I said you got lit? Aww Let's be friends again bro lmfaooo.

Irrelevant..Just irrelevant. His argument shows you that it's not just chakra that's involved and you can't use that as a reason to why they can use Susanoo despite that being the most powerful MS Jutsu in his arsenal as stated by the DB. You have almost no evidence that Itachi's clones can use his most powerful technique especially when the Manga never said or showed this in any way.

Wood clones let you allocate any amount but what you're saying(Shadow clones is the same as wood clones earlier) is not backed up. You clam half a wood clone= Half a Shadow clone except for those differences you mentioned but that's obviously not true. The Wood clone alters chakra in your cells unlike Shadow clones and the power levels between clones aren't the same. Some are naturally stronger and more durable regardless of the same chakra percentage. Water clone only requires 10 but it is stronger than the shadow considering it enables one use the same ability with less chakra... I don't see why Kishi would be emphasizing on this if all clones could just pull this feat of the user's ability as long as they have the required amount of chakra. So if you're going to claim Madara can do so with his shadow clones like you tried to in post #17, then you need proof..Madara could have been focusing more power in those clones so this Madara had enough chakra to do so meaning Itachi can with a different type doesn't mean anything. Otherwise why would you make that comparison of both being the same when you had no idea of the amount of power focused in those wood clones? I wonder?

Correction, Madara was able to do so because of the amount of power focused in the clones and because the wood clones had the ability to do so. Let me ask you something, You said Madara had the ability to do so because of the chakra right? Then that means he can use multiple PS because he had the infinite chakra to do so in Edo form. Then I wonder why he didn't? This pulls you to either accept the claim that Wood clones have half the users chakra or weaker so they can't or simply because they do not possess that ability despite the infinite chakra he had because the former is wrong.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You guys are wasting your time prove if its possible or not. Should save it when its important, match up wise. Its not important for this match up. Clones using Susanoo isnt going to change the outcome

 

[Apêx1]

Itachi wins high diff.
-Muki Tensei is countered by keeping the cave heated with Amaterasu. Crow Clones are a potential counter too.
-Tayuya's Genjutsu is countered via his Karasu Bunshin.
-Kimimaro's Bone Forest is smacked with v2 Susano as it was in the manga.
-Kidomaru's webs are either lit or smacked with Susano sword.
-V4 Susano with Yata and Totsuka are maintained as Itachi is not trying to restrain Kabuto, but kill him.
-Kabuto isn't bypassing Susano in this fight regardless of what he does.
-By having Kabuto hit a crow clone, it will disperse as it did in canon and Kabuto will be temporarily distracted, in which case Totsuka can blitz similarly to how Itachi was able to Shunshin blitz his horn.

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh Lord. Expect a reply after 6.

 

[Haizaki]

Don't expect one until I see concrete evidence of them being able to use his most powerful MS technique.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Why does it even matter? It's not like Itachi's victory relies on his clones being capable of using MS techniques. He has counters and means to prevent pretty much everything.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Still waiting someone to explain how Clones break this genjutsu.

 

[Apêx1]

Still waiting someone to explain how Clones break this genjutsu.

The clone takes Sasuke's place and uses the 3T Genjutsu on Itachi while Itachi uses Tsukiyomi on it. Replication of what happened in canon.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The clone takes Sasuke's place and uses the 3T Genjutsu on Itachi while Itachi uses Tsukiyomi on it. Replication of what happened in canon.

Thats it? The Sound Genjutsu halts the opponents moves and also restrains them. Clones gets cancel just like Susanoo.

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[Apêx1]

Thats it? The Sound Genjutsu halts the opponents moves and also restrains them. Clones gets cancel just like Susanoo.

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Uh what? Sasuke and Itachi were restrained and they were perfectly capable of using Genjutsu while under this Genjutsu. Use your brain a little more please. Clones have been put into Genjutsu in the past without going poof, ie Kakashi.

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[Brother Numpsay]

Uh what? Sasuke and Itachi were restrained and they were perfectly capable of using Genjutsu while under this Genjutsu. Use your brain a little more please. Clones have been put into Genjutsu in the past without going poof, ie Kakashi.

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@Bold not relevant.
@Underline: Not relevant unless you can proof that genjutsu is capable to halt the opponents moves (jutsu in use).

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Itachi literally caught the real Naruto in genjutsu (when he planted the crow in him), yet Narutos Kage Bunshins didn't disperse.

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No reason to believe that Tayuyas genjutsu would be any different. Itachi counters it just like in cannon, only Sasuke is replaced with a Bunshin. And that of course is assuming Itachi even allows it be successfully executed.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Itachi literally caught the real Naruto in genjutsu (when he planted the crow in him), yet Narutos Kage Bunshins didn't disperse.

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No reason to believe that Tayuyas genjutsu would be any different. Itachi counters it just like in cannon, only Sasuke is replaced with a Bunshin. And that of course is assuming Itachi even allows it be successfully executed.

That scan, when was he caught in a Genjutsu? Since it happen before chapter 371 correct?

 

[Apêx1]

@Bold not relevant.
@Underline: Not relevant unless you can proof that genjutsu is capable to halt the opponents moves (jutsu in use).

It was because you mentioned it.

No, you'll have to prove the restraining part of the Genjutsu is the reason why the Susano disappeared and not the chakra flow (which is obviously the reason it goes away). Since chakra flow was affected against Kakashi's clone and it remained, the same will happen to Itachi's clone. Also, what FT mentioned. Naruto had 3 or 4 clones made to search for Sasuke yet the real Naruto was caught. At the end of it the clones were still present.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

That scan, when was he caught in a Genjutsu? Since it happen before chapter 371 correct?

Naruto sends his Kage Bunshins to scatter around everywhere

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The real Naruto gets caught in genjutsu

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That had to be the real Naruto, because Itachi planted the crow in him. Then as I linked in my previous post, Narutos bunshins were seen active despite the original getting caught in genjutsu. So they don't get canceled out.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Naruto sends his Kage Bunshins to scatter around everywhere

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The real Naruto gets caught in genjutsu

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That had to be the real Naruto, because Itachi planted the crow in him. Then as I linked in my previous post, Narutos bunshins were seen active despite the original getting caught in genjutsu. So they don't get canceled out.

Point taken but at the same time: Itachi didnt even know Shadow Clones are spread everywhere. As Sharingan Genjutsu was stated that need to forcefully take advantage of user outside the physical realm to force their opponent what or whatnot to do.

Itachi's goal in that scan was making sure Naruto gets Shisui's eyes.

 

[Apêx1]

This guy.. How does his goal have anything to do with anything? Clones were still present after Genjutsu as FT proved. The END.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

This guy.. How does his goal have anything to do with anything? Clones were still present after Genjutsu as FT proved. The END.

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]. Clones being preset could of been because Itachi didn't know about them. So he wouldnt tell Naruto to shut them off

 

[Apêx1]

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]. Clones being preset could of been because Itachi didn't know about them. So he wouldnt tell Naruto to shut them off

Please tell me how controlling the user has anything to do with what you were initially claiming. Also, Tayuya's Genjutsu doesn't have the ability to control the opponent, it only restrains them. So by your own logic it's incapable of making the clones go poof.