Edo Itachi vs SM Kabuto
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Using Susano is more than just having chakra. Its putting your body through some serious pain like every cell in your body aching. Hashirama's DNA strengthens the body to the point where those side effects are limited.
KidGamer65
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And having a zombie body negates that pain entirely. Which only proves my point. Not to mention that all goes back to stamina. That's why Hashirama's DNA helps. It increases the receiver's physical energy.
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Hashiramas wood clones arent on the same level as shadow clones. They are better equipped for battle, as their fighting power is greater. Ems madara doing that alive without hashi cells, thats a joke.
Right Lol..Gonna try and explain my thoughts to Beans when I respond sometime..Lol I see the kid getting lit though. He claimed Alive Itachi can do so one time but Zombie body be the case now Hahahahahah.
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Good thing no one claimed that he could. And Mokuton clones are better equipped for battle because:
-Can communicate with user.
-Don't poof with a single hit.
-Can change shape.
-User can allocate any amount of power he wants to his clones.
If there were two Madaras, and one made a shadow clone while the other made a wood clone and they both had half of Madara's chakra, they would have equal power output. The only differences are the things that I mentioned.
Though I see Evani is still on my dick. *Sigh* Guess I hurt his feelings. \_(ツ)_/¯
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Dafuq :hmm:
- Sasuke actuvates ms. Starts going blind after one usage.
- Obito activates ms (with hashi cells). Goes two decades spamming ms
- Shisui koto cant be used again for another decade. Add hashi cells and its back up and running later that same afternoon
Now thing what those cells will do for susanoo, in tandem with the superior wood clones.
Alive itachi?? He cant even use susanoo by himself without coughing up blood. And that was itachi on medication lol.
Lol right. Even though you got lit right here...You gonna claim you didn't say Alive Itachi couldn't do the same? Now you saying Zombie body be the reason..You got lit lmao. Plus since when did Wood clones half the users chakra if that's what you're implying? You need to prove that because I remember that being Shadow clones? Or is it Baseless? lol
Not on your tip..Just an internet dude I don't know. Don't get carried away.
Not on your tip..Just an internet dude I don't know. Don't get carried away.
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And Gold Lightning, you do realize that using an Itachi who is:
-On death's door.
-Low on stamina and chakra.
-Was also using the highest level of Susanoo
As evidence that Itachi can't use ANY level Susanoo w/ clones makes zero sense right? Disingenuous comparison tbh. It's also funny how you use him being on medication as evidence that he can't do so when he was only on medication because of his poor physical condition. A fresh Itachi easily uses a shadow clone and a Ribcage Susanoo.
-On death's door.
-Low on stamina and chakra.
-Was also using the highest level of Susanoo
As evidence that Itachi can't use ANY level Susanoo w/ clones makes zero sense right? Disingenuous comparison tbh. It's also funny how you use him being on medication as evidence that he can't do so when he was only on medication because of his poor physical condition. A fresh Itachi easily uses a shadow clone and a Ribcage Susanoo.
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By altering chakra in cells, it’s an applied version of “Moku Bunshin (Wood Clones)”. It possesses higher fighting strength than Kage Bunshin (Shadow Clones). Before it’s overwhelming power, the enemy loses their established (/intended) methods.
This isnt even up for debate. Shadow clones aren't even comparable in power.
This isnt even up for debate. Shadow clones aren't even comparable in power.
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Evani, hop off bruh. It's getting old. You may still be butthurt, but I'm not. If you weren't so busy wiping your tears attempting to catch me slipping, you'd realize that what you are saying doesn't make sense.
1. I did claim Alive Itachi can do the same and I never stated that he can't, nor has anyone proved that he can't.
2. I clearly stated that Wood Clones let the user allocate any amount of power they want to the clones. So it can be half, or it can be a quarter. Read before you reply. It'll save me a lot of time. Manga chapter where Obito was about to become the Jin, I suggest you go read where Madara was fodderizing Hashirama's weak clones.
3. I never said that Zombie Body is the only reason Itachi can use Susanoo w/ clones, I said it's the reason why his argument doesn't work in this specific instance.
I've already explained why. If all you can do is repeat a defeated argument then you should do me a favor and bow out now. Even if you were right, that is evidence that Madara can't use 25 clones w/ Shadow Clones. Not evidence that he can't use a weaker version with one clone.
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The moment the real itachi starts feeling the strain and coughing up blood, the clone is gonna go poof anyway :lol
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Dude. Stop it. Stop using an Itachi who was about die coughing blood as evidence a fresh Itachi encounters the same exact fate. Stop using an Itachi using a V4 Susanoo as evidence when I never said anything about V4 Susanoo. :lol The inability to read the Manga is strong in this thread.
The moment the real itachi starts feeling the strain and coughing up blood, the clone is gonna go poof anyway :lol
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Why dont you stop ignoring the fact that fresh itachi or not, MS without hashi cells causes serious strain. Why dont you stop ignoring the fact that sasuke who possesses more stamina than itachi ever did, also struggled with the technique.
Strain is pain. Pain on the user means goodbye shadow clones. Someone with such poor stamina and as intelligent as itachi would never in a million years even think to attempt to use a shadow clone with susanoo. He doesnt even like using shadow clones, he prefers crow clones because they are less consuming.
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Yet Sasuke was on the floor reeling in pain from using a Ribcage while Itachi was seconds away from death using the strongest Susanoo he could possibly use.
Struggling with the technique doesn't mean that he can't use it (The weakest version) with clones, scratch that A clone. You keep ignoring and dancing around the main argument, throwing points at me that don't disprove my point.Strain is pain, and pain only means goodbye shadow clones if the clones can't handle it, and there is little reason to believe they can as the usage of MS all goes back to physical energy, which is why Danzo and Obito can spam Sharingan techniques after getting his cells, which are stated to increase physical energy.
You sound silly saying a shadow clone can't use the weakest level of Susanoo when Itachi was able to use the strongest and most taxing version when he was:
-Almost dead.
-Almost out of chakra.
-Almost blind.
-Was taking medication just to prolong his illness.
Since when in the world did the original feeling pain=clones poofing anyway?
I don't think having an Edo body removes physical limitations you had while you were alive. With that being said, Itachi has a chance, but its not by using ribcage Susanoo with clones. Hell, Kabutos Senpou Suiton destroyed Sasukes Ribcage in one shot so I doubt Itachis will fare any better.
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Kabuto still wins.
Good job restricting Genjutsu though, otherwise you would hear ridiculous crap counters, thinking it can be countered alone. That Im reading them now.
I'm seeing Shadow Clones as the main argument on why Itachi takes this. Kabuto replicates this when he activates Orochimaru via DNA, who has full access to Orochimaru's jutsu/abilities.
Anyway Spider webs spams on Itachi, who canonically would of have been trapped with bone forest combo. He either gets trap in webs or taken out underneath with bones. Like canon, as canon limited Kabuto from not hurting Sasuke.
Manda 2 also crushes clones while Kabuto and his own clones deal with orignal, since the orignal can only wield spiritual items.
Good job restricting Genjutsu though, otherwise you would hear ridiculous crap counters, thinking it can be countered alone. That Im reading them now.
I'm seeing Shadow Clones as the main argument on why Itachi takes this. Kabuto replicates this when he activates Orochimaru via DNA, who has full access to Orochimaru's jutsu/abilities.
Anyway Spider webs spams on Itachi, who canonically would of have been trapped with bone forest combo. He either gets trap in webs or taken out underneath with bones. Like canon, as canon limited Kabuto from not hurting Sasuke.
Manda 2 also crushes clones while Kabuto and his own clones deal with orignal, since the orignal can only wield spiritual items.
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Physical limitations exist only because of some kind of defect with the body or because something in the body is being overtaxed in someway. Edo Tensei do not possess the conventional human body. No organs at all.
-Itachi has no sickness when an Edo Tensei.
-Itachi was able to act in White Rage and use Susanoo despite Sasuke w/ a living body being unable to do so.
Susanoo causes pain, and it has something to do with the cells. Itachi against White Rage shows that he either doesn't feel anywhere close to the same amount of pain the human body feels, or that he doesn't feel pain at all. Edo Tensei don't have cells either.
I agree that using Ribcage w/ a clone isn't the key to victory, it's just the key to countering Genjutsu.
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Oh Tayuya is unrestricted again?
Then Genjutsu one shot as it has done in canon.
We already seen the genjutsu halt the opponents jutsu via Susanoo so the same apply to clones. Clones go poof, and Itachi dies from there.
Then Genjutsu one shot as it has done in canon.
We already seen the genjutsu halt the opponents jutsu via Susanoo so the same apply to clones. Clones go poof, and Itachi dies from there.