[Theory] Edo Hokage Immunity to IT, Tying the loose ends.

[ROHAN]

My early thread about The Edo Hokages immunity to Infinite Tsukuyomi had two plot holes which I will try to solve in this theory :-

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1) The Edo Hokages are dead, lack life force and thus are immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi.

2) Orochimaru was also present in the Reaper Death Seal Spirit's belly, yet he was not immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Link to Previous Theory :-

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Please read the theory above before proceeding further.

1) The Edo Hokages are immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi because they are already dead. My opinion- It is false and I will explain why below.

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The Juubi's fruit gave Chakra to the shinobi world.

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Edos have life force in the form of their souls which is used in Edo Tensei.

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The above image proves that Edos have life energy and thus, have Chakra.

The Shinju also absorbs Edo Madara's Chakra in the below image proving that it can absorb chakra of Edos under Infinite Tsukuyomi.

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The Juubi could put the Edo's under Infinite Tsukuyomi and use their Chakra to ripen the fruit. Thus, Edos are not immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Also, a huge glaring point arises here which is explained below.

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1) The Edos are immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi just because they lack life force. (What people theorised)

2) The Juubi takes back the Chakra of the hosts under Infinite Tsukuyomi. (Manga Fact)

But, The Edos have Chakra. They can use Ninjutsu and Genjutsu which requires Chakra. Thus, for the Juubi to not take back their chakra via Infinite Tsukuyomi is a major plot hole. It only leads to two possibilities :-

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A) Edos don't have Chakra and thus Infinite Tsukuyomi which gives the Juubi's fruit, Chakra does not affect them. (Impossible due to Edo Madara, Nagato and countless other Edos using Ninjutsu and Genjutsu which requires Chakra).

B) Edos are not immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi (Which is the case).

Also, Tobirama is the creator of Edo Tensei. This logically means that he knows each and every aspect of Edo Tensei.

Yet, he is surprised when he realises that he is immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi.

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This means that either :-

A) The Edo Hokage's immunity comes from Kaguya or the Reaper Death Seal Spirit.

B) Or Tobirama didn't know that Edos were immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi which is impossible considering the information he got from Orochimaru and Hashirama's knowledge about the Shinju.

Conclusion :-

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A) Edos have Chakra.

B) The Juubi takes back chakra from the beings via Infinite Tsukuyomi to make the fruit grow.

C) Thus, Edos are not immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi because they have chakra.

D) The point is :-

Edos use Ninjutsu and Genjutsu < Use Chakra < The Juubi takes back Chakra by Infinite Tsukuyomi < Juubi takes Chakra - Edos have Chakra.

So, how can Edos be immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi ?

2) Orochimaru was also present in the Reaper Death Seal Spirit's belly, yet he was not immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi. This is false. Orochimaru is partially immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi. This is explained below :-

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We all know that Orochimaru's hands's soul (Not the complete soul) was trapped in the stomach of Reaper Death Seal Spirit.

So, my belief is Orochimaru's soul was incomplete, only his hands were sealed, thus, the influence of Kaguya was slight and not complete. Thus, Orochimaru is partially immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi.

There is also a possibility that Orochimaru will break out of Infinite Tsukuyomi. Why ? Consider this.

If Orochimaru couldn't break out of Infinite Tsukuyomi, then what will be the Edo Hokage's role ? Thier Immunity to Infinite Tsukuyomi will be a moot point. Madara could easily influence Orochimaru to cancel Edo Tensei via Infinite Tsukuyomi just like Itachi did with Kabuto.

Conclusion :-

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A) Orochimaru's hands's soul was sealed in the stomach of Reaper Death Seal Spirit.

B) But his soul in the RDS's belly was not complete.

C) Thus, Orochimaru only gained partial immunity to Infinite Tsukuyomi.

D) Orochimaru is trapped in Infinite Tsukuyomi but will eventually break out of it due to his partial immunity.

Thanks for reading. =D​

 

[BlacLord™]

This doesn't clear anything.

You've misaligned chakra and life energy as being the same thing, and they're not.

 

[ROHAN]

This doesn't clear anything.

You've misaligned chakra and life energy as being the same thing, and they're not.

Chakra and Life energy are the same thing, It came from the Juubi and both give life. In essence both are the same thing as Chakra = Energy = Must have life energy.

 

[Jamaare3]

The infinite tsukiyomi attacks ur eyes but fr d four kages deir r dead n deir eye is different n speaking o orichimaro he is n was not dead rather he lives as a subconscious of the curse mark n can be reborn just like how sasuke brought him back

 

[ROHAN]

The point is :-

Edos use Ninjutsu and Genjutsu < Use Chakra < The juubi takes back Chakra by Infinite Tsukuyomi < Shinju takes Chakra - Edos have Chakra.

So, how can Edos be immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi ?

 

[Wabbit]

Well,Did nt breaking out of Oros control means breaking out of edo tensei like Madara did?

 

[Honord Sage]

When your dead you do not sleep nor Dream so the genjutsu can only work on the living sines the living et tired and need sleep and ones you sleep you dream.

 

[Zen Uchiha]

The point is :-

Edos use Ninjutsu and Genjutsu < Use Chakra < The juubi takes back Chakra by Infinite Tsukuyomi < Shinju takes Chakra - Edos have Chakra.

So, how can Edos be immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi ?

they don't just use Ninjutsu and Genjutsu

 

[-ahhimane-]

@ Third spoiler in the second spoiler, 2nd point.
This scan proves it wrong

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Juubi keeps the hosts under I.T. alive and uses their own power to show them dreams. If Juubi takes away all the chakra of the hosts under I.T. they will be dead.

If Orochimaru could be partially immune to I.T. he would have freed himself before getting wrapped up by those bandages. Now that he is caught, it will be difficult for him to break through because his own dreams will be heavier than his determination to breakthrough I.T.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

The point is :-

Edos use Ninjutsu and Genjutsu < Use Chakra < The juubi takes back Chakra by Infinite Tsukuyomi < Shinju takes Chakra - Edos have Chakra.

So, how can Edos be immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi ?

Well remember how it was said that Madara could not summon the Gedo Statue with Edo Tensei's fake Rinnegan. Is it possible that the Edo summons use a synthetic form of chakra which the Shinju ignores?

 

[Kirokill]

But wasn't Orochimaru's arms freed after he cut the RDS's stomach, freeing the kage's souls. The point how he got his arms back...

 

[The7thHokage]

Im confused now. Ill have to wait for Kishi to clear things out.

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Yeah possible .

but i do see another possibility , the zetsu's were not affected so might be because used zetsu clones but then that must make Orichimaru not affected too .

 

[Byakugan12x]

Great theory a bit tricky in some parts but overall good.

Well remember how it was said that Madara could not summon the Gedo Statue with Edo Tensei's fake Rinnegan. Is it possible that the Edo summons use a synthetic form of chakra which the Shinju ignores?

^ i think this point should be considered too though.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

My early thread about The Edo Hokages immunity to Infinite Tsukuyomi had two plot holes which I will try to solve in this theory :-

Spoiler

1) The Edo Hokages are dead, lack life force and thus are immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi.

2) Orochimaru was also present in the Reaper Death Seal Spirit's belly, yet he was not immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Link to Previous Theory :-

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Please read the theory above before proceeding further.

1) The Edo Hokages are immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi because they are already dead. My opinion- It is false and I will explain why below.

Spoiler

The Juubi's fruit gave Chakra to the shinobi world.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Edos have life force in the form of their souls which is used in Edo Tensei.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

The above image proves that Edos have life energy and thus, have Chakra.

The Juubi could put the Edo's under Infinite Tsukuyomi and use their Chakra to ripen the fruit. Thus, Edos are not immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Also, a huge glaring point arises here which is explained below.

Spoiler

1) The Edos are immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi just because they lack life force. (What people theorised)

2) The Juubi takes back the Chakra of the hosts under Infinite Tsukuyomi. (Manga Fact)

But, The Edos have Chakra. They can use Ninjutsu and Genjutsu which requires Chakra. Thus, for the Juubi to not take back their chakra via Infinite Tsukuyomi is a major plot hole. It only leads to two possibilities :-

Spoiler

A) Edos don't have Chakra and thus Infinite Tsukuyomi which gives the Juubi's fruit, Chakra does not affect them. (Impossible due to Edo Madara, Nagato and countless other Edos using Ninjutsu and Genjutsu which requires Chakra).

B) Edos are not immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi (Which is the case).

Conclusion :-

Spoiler

A) Edos have Chakra.

B) The Juubi takes back chakra from the beings via Infinite Tsukuyomi to make the fruit grow.

C) Thus, Edos are not immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi because they have chakra.

D) The point is :-

Edos use Ninjutsu and Genjutsu < Use Chakra < The Juubi takes back Chakra by Infinite Tsukuyomi < Juubi takes Chakra - Edos have Chakra.

So, how can Edos be immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi ?

2) Orochimaru was also present in the Reaper Death Seal Spirit's belly, yet he was not immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi. This is false. Orochimaru is partially immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi. This is explained below :-

Spoiler

We all know that Orochimaru's hands's soul (Not the complete soul) was trapped in the stomach of Reaper Death Seal Spirit.

So, my belief is Orochimaru's soul was incomplete, only his hands were sealed, thus, the influence of Kaguya was slight and not complete. Thus, Orochimaru is partially immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi.

There is also a possibility that Orochimaru will break out of Infinite Tsukuyomi. Why ? Consider this.

If Orochimaru couldn't break out of Infinite Tsukuyomi, then what will be the Edo Hokage's role ? Thier Immunity to Infinite Tsukuyomi will be a moot point. Madara could easily influence Orochimaru to cancel Edo Tensei via Infinite Tsukuyomi just like Itachi did with Kabuto.

Conclusion :-

Spoiler

A) Orochimaru's hands's soul was sealed in the stomach of Reaper Death Seal Spirit.

B) But his soul in the RDS's belly was not complete.

C) Thus, Orochimaru only gained partial immunity to Infinite Tsukuyomi.

D) Orochimaru is trapped in Infinite Tsukuyomi but will eventually break out of it due to his partial immunity.

Thanks for reading. =D​

This thread is a failure. The explanation is actually very simple. The edokages do not have any living body, and they don't have any leaving organs. Their eyes are not alive, and their body are mere dusty forms. There is no water, blood, etc. They are merely the product of a ninjutsus just like a Rasengan.

Therefore, you cannot manipulate their blood vessel or control their brain wave simply because they don't have any. They have know brain, nothing. You cannot manipulate them through genjutsu because they don't have any chakra network. Their current chakra is sourced by the edo tensei jutsu, and their soul have their past knowlegde that they can use themselve to perform jutsu.

 

[Xantai]

The same way as madara could not summon the Gedo Mazo with a fake Edo rinnegan, the kages can't be affected by the It

 

[Andy Bogard]

I just don't see how being sealed by the reaper makes a difference. Even if it did, they were already freed so it wouldn't help them. I'm positive it's about them being dead

 

[WalksInShadows]

This thread is a failure. The explanation is actually very simple. The edokages do not have any living body, and they don't have any leaving organs. Their eyes are not alive, and their body are mere dusty forms. There is no water, blood, etc. They are merely the product of a ninjutsus just like a Rasengan.

Therefore, you cannot manipulate their blood vessel or control their brain wave simply because they don't have any. They have know brain, nothing. You cannot manipulate them through genjutsu because they don't have any chakra network. Their current chakra is sourced by the edo tensei jutsu, and their soul have their past knowlegde that they can use themselve to perform jutsu.

Edo Itachi was put under a genjutsu twice: when he used Shisui's to break himself from Kabuto's control and that part where Kabuto used Kayuya's sound genjutsu on him and Sasuke hmm

^ i think this point should be considered too though.

i agree, but the undead were just as much a target as anybody who was alive when the Shinju was going on that chakra absorbing spree.

 

[ROHAN]

Edo Itachi was put under a genjutsu twice: when he used Shisui's to break himself from Kabuto's control and that part where Kabuto used Kayuya's sound genjutsu on him and Sasuke hmm
i agree, but the undead were just as much a target as anybody who was alive when the Shinju was going on that chakra absorbing spree.

The evidence that you have given has helped make the theory seem possible. I didn't notice that Madra's Edo chakra was absorbed by the Shinjuu.

These are the points that I added :-

A) The Shinju also absorbs Edo Madara's Chakra in the below image proving that it can absorb chakra of Edos under Infinite Tsukuyomi.

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B) Also, Tobirama is the creator of Edo Tensei. This logically means that he knows each and every aspect of Edo Tensei.

Yet, he is surprised when he realises that he is immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Spoiler

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This means that either :-

Spoiler

A) The Edo Hokage's immunity comes from Kaguya or the Reaper Death Seal Spirit.

B) Or Tobirama didn't know that Edos were immune to Infinite Tsukuyomi which is impossible considering the information he got from Orochimaru and Hashirama's knowledge about the Shinju.

 

[minamoto]

The same way as madara could not summon the Gedo Mazo with a fake Edo rinnegan, the kages can't be affected by the It

for love of god....can you make thread and explain memeber that you are not me...dude i dont mind you copy my theories...but to be me..is smething that has to stop