hmmm ..... well madara did say that he can only be stopped by hashirama (while he was in his edo state) BUT, madara is an ENHANCED edo sooo i don't really know .....
hmmm ..... well madara did say that he can only be stopped by hashirama (while he was in his edo state) BUT, madara is an ENHANCED edo sooo i don't really know .....
People providing scans is the new thing i see.. Then I also want a scan on your statement about Hashirama having no chance against Edo Madara, when Madara himself says Hashirama can stop him. So far all I got from you is you contradicting the manga.
And already gave you a scan for my second statement, yet you made a BS excuse by saying "it was Obito narrating".. even though Madara himself hasn't gone against it.
Mokuton yes is earth..... Go look at what Preta Path Has absorbed and then come talk to me.
You sir are the typical fanboy, who thinks he knows about the characters yet , contradicts himself against the manga. And then makes up some lame ass excuse to defend for that character, and try to make it seem like Hashirama is sooo much weaker.
Your beginning to sound ridiculous and still fail to provide scans of your statements, making claims on my behalf and trying to defend a character whose abilities you yourself don't understand. Hashirama has no counter for the Rinnegan techniques and mokuton can be absorbed based on it's composition (Doton, Suiton and Yoton) as Preta is able to absorb each of those entities individually you on the other hand are trying to convince me that Mokuton is earth (doton) only, when it has been stated on more than one occasion that the KKG comprises of two elements.
the thing your overlooking is the fact that he and hashirama were more or less even with their fight lasting 2-3days when he had nothing but ems. now he has rinnegan mokuton and PS.... He'd ass rape hashirama get over it bro
Madara was only equal with Hashirama because he had the ability to summon Kurama at full strength, we have seen just half of Kurama's power be enough to take on 6 Bijuus, Nagato's Rinnegan, Madara's Rinnegan, & Madara's Mokuton, so just imagine how much of a power boost the full beast is then combine it with Perfect Susano-o, Madara as an Edo loses Kurama, so in reality all he did was trade power for power, so Hashirama is still the greater of two, something Madara as an Edo acknowledged & he was not even considering Hashirama as an Edo.shodaimeicon:
Your beginning to sound ridiculous and still fail to provide scans of your statements, making claims on my behalf and trying to defend a character whose abilities you yourself don't understand. Hashirama has no counter for the Rinnegan techniques and mokuton can be absorbed based on it's composition (Doton, Suiton and Yoton) as Preta is able to absorb each of those entities individually you on the other hand are trying to convince me that Mokuton is earth (doton) only, when it has been stated on more than one occasion that the KKG comprises of two elements.
you could be right bro, i mean a statement from the character himself is something that is hard to argue against lol.
so this statement at least makes your side of the argument more valid (the manga backs you up), and the other side of the argument would seem like it's making up stuff (arguing kishi himself about what he wrote).
some people say that he just admired hashirama BUT, after what we all saw (latest chapters), i think that they were rivals (madara is proud of his power) so if madara really became too much for hashirama to handle then he would say it (there are other ways to admire someone's power, other than admitting inferiority or that at least hashirama has the best chance at beating him). so yes you could be right .....
Your beginning to sound ridiculous and still fail to provide scans of your statements, making claims on my behalf and trying to defend a character whose abilities you yourself don't understand. Hashirama has no counter for the Rinnegan techniques and mokuton can be absorbed based on it's composition (Doton, Suiton and Yoton) as Preta is able to absorb each of those entities individually you on the other hand are trying to convince me that Mokuton is earth (doton) only, when it has been stated on more than one occasion that the KKG comprises of two elements.
Preta Path can not absorb physical matter/attacks this has been established on multiple accounts by the manga, none more so than when Madara was trapped by the 5 Kages as he was unable to absorb Gaara's sand that was mixed in with Mei's water in Chapter 588.shodaimeicon:
Are you an idiot? Since when a mountain was wood release?
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is an accurate translation of Madara's statement. The Madara, Hashirama fought at VoTE isn't nearly as strong as Edo Madara, thats the big difference. Though, he says Hashirama is the only one who is capable of stopping him...doesn't mean Hashirama is going to stop him being that his statement is just a hyperbole and would be proven false if anyone else defeats him. Stop being so over-confident in your logic, its inaccurate thus far.
Preta Path can not absorb physical matter/attacks this has been established on multiple accounts by the manga, none more so than when Madara was trapped by the 5 Kages as he was unable to absorb Gaara's sand that was mixed in with Mei's water in Chapter 588.shodaimeicon:
Preta path is a technique used at the wielders will, it is not an automatic response to stimuli. It absorbs all ninjutsu attacks and fuel's the chakra back to the user. Physical matter is anything that takes up space is irreverent; physical attacks are taijutsu.
Are you an idiot? Since when a mountain was wood release?
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is an accurate translation of Madara's statement. The Madara, Hashirama fought at VoTE isn't nearly as strong as Edo Madara, thats the big difference. Though, he says Hashirama is the only one who is capable of stopping him...doesn't mean Hashirama is going to stop him being that his statement is just a hyperbole and would be proven false if anyone else defeats him. Stop being so over-confident in your logic, its inaccurate thus far.
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Preta path is a technique used at the wielders will, it is not an automatic response to stimuli. It absorbs all ninjutsu attacks and fuel's the chakra back to the user. Physical matter is anything that takes up space is irreverent; physical attacks are taijutsu.
Again it has been established in the manga multiple times, the fact that Preta Path cannot absorb physical matter is why physical attacks are effective, as seen in Chapter 588; if Preta Path could absorb physical matter then why did it fail to absorb the sand, once Madara was aware there was sand in the water why did he not just absorb it, the manga says it can't & we have not once seen it absorb physical matter, if it could taijutsu would be useless too as Preta Path could justu absorb its opponents flesh, you cant just ignore facts when it suits you.shodaimeicon:
Again it has been established in the manga multiple times, the fact that Preta Path cannot absorb physical matter is why physical attacks are effective, as seen in Chapter 588; if Preta Path could absorb physical matter then why did it fail to absorb the sand, once Madara was aware there was sand in the water why did he not just absorb it, the manga says it can't & we have not once seen it absorb physical matter, if it could taijutsu would be useless too as Preta Path could justu absorb its opponents flesh, you cant just ignore facts when it suits you.shodaimeicon:
Puppydog isn't trying to say it can absorb physical matter. That's not even the function of preta path. What preta path can do is absorb the chakra in the Mokuton, effectively making it a dead tree.
OP: I don't believe Hashirama can beat any Rinnegan user except maybe Nagato, and that's because Nagato is an Uzumaki and thus probably can't use it effectively as an Edo Madara. So Hashirama gets a 1000 hand statue that we don't even know the exact damn function of and they automatically think that he's the strongest character ever, even without hardly any feats. Its obvious that the standard for discussion has drastically lowered. I could care less about what people such as Kabuto, Dan, and even Madara says. Hashirama doesn't have any feats nor does he have the proper techniques to defeat a Rinnegan user.
Puppydog isn't trying to say it can absorb physical matter. That's not even the function of preta path. What preta path can do is absorb the chakra in the Mokuton, effectively making it a dead tree.
OP: I don't believe Hashirama can beat any Rinnegan user except maybe Nagato, and that's because Nagato is an Uzumaki and thus probably can't use it effectively as an Edo Madara. So Hashirama gets a 1000 hand statue that we don't even know the exact damn function of and they automatically think that he's the strongest character ever, even without hardly any feats. Its obvious that the standard for discussion has drastically lowered. I could care less about what people such as Kabuto, Dan, and even Madara says. Hashirama doesn't have any feats nor does he have the proper techniques to defeat a Rinnegan user.
Just because Preta Path can absorb chakra from flesh does not mean that applies to all things & that's with physical contact, if it could be applied in the way you suggest then taijutsu like Frog Katas or any physical blow would not work either as Preta Path can just absorb the chakra from the blows rendering them useless & Madara could have just absorbed the chakra from Garra's sand disabling it, yet he could not & even if he could;was still disabled, furthermore the properties of the chakra absorbed has side effects, if Preta Path absorbs too much natural chakra then the Rinnegan user will turn to stone as previously seen, you are assuming far too much about the abilities of Preta Path with no backing from the manga...You talk about standards of discussion being lowered yet you, like many other ignore statements from the manga which carry more weight that any fan's opinion especially after recent chapters displaying Hashirama's power, you don't know better than Madara or any character in the manga whom in reality are all just mediums for Kishi describing his world, discounting the manga in favor of your own theories is one of the reasons these standards have been lowered.shodaimeicon:
Just because Preta Path can absorb chakra from flesh does not mean that applies to all things & that's with physical contact, if it could be applied in the way you suggest then taijutsu like Frog Katas or any physical blow would not work either as Preta Path can just absorb the chakra from the blows rendering them useless & Madara could have just absorbed the chakra from Garra's sand disabling it, yet he could not & even if he could;was still disabled, furthermore the properties of the chakra absorbed has side effects, if Preta Path absorbs too much natural chakra then the Rinnegan user will turn to stone as previously seen, you are assuming far too much about the abilities of Preta Path with no backing from the manga...You talk about standards of discussion being lowered yet you, like many other ignore statements from the manga which carry more weight that any fan's opinion especially after recent chapters displaying Hashirama's power, you don't know better than Madara or any character in the manga whom in reality are all just mediums for Kishi describing his world, discounting the manga in favor of your own theories is one of the reasons these standards have been lowered.shodaimeicon:
When did I ever imply that Preta Path could absorb taijutsu? Given that taijutsu doesn't require chakra, Preta Path would be ineffective. This is where Deva Path would come in. Preta Path can absorb the chakra out of a users body. Its already been stated that Preta Path can absorb any type of chakra and the databook makes it out to be limitless.
You say we're trying to discount the manga, look at yourself. Where has it said anywhere that Hashirama was stronger than Edo Madara? I'll wait for the manga scan that explicably states this. This is what the title implies and what you all imply, that Hashirama > Edo Madara. Yet Hashirama hasn't fought Edo Madara so don't give me that bullshit about us nitpicking at the manga. That's what you're doing, making assumptions as to who would win. Given that they haven't fought, its necessary for debate about the issue. At best, its inconclusive as to who would win given that we aren't Kishi. So please, spare us that pompous attitude. I'm no more wrong than you are.
Are you an idiot? Since when a mountain was wood release?
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is an accurate translation of Madara's statement. The Madara, Hashirama fought at VoTE isn't nearly as strong as Edo Madara, thats the big difference. Though, he says Hashirama is the only one who is capable of stopping him...doesn't mean Hashirama is going to stop him being that his statement is just a hyperbole and would be proven false if anyone else defeats him. Stop being so over-confident in your logic, its inaccurate thus far.
Madara should've been able to absorb this mountain....:
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And Wooden release does have a mountain in it:
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And Madara's strongest ATTACK RIGHT NOW ACCORDING TO HIM IS:
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Madara's strongest attack when he faced Hashirama was:
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Also, no.. Now your making random assumptions on Madara's part. Which I haven't done on my part. And aren't you the same person who puts Kabuto + Edos above Hashirama... when Kabuto said noone alive is on his level? lmao.
You are acting like a typical fanboy who can't take his character being on the same level as another character.
Underestimating someone called the "GOD OF SHINOBI" is freaking retarded.
AND all Preta path has shown to absorb is the jutsus where chakra is visible.... when in the blue hell has it absorbed solids? Like I said before. Making random assumptions doesn't help your case.
When did I ever imply that Preta Path could absorb taijutsu? Given that taijutsu doesn't require chakra, Preta Path would be ineffective. This is where Deva Path would come in. Preta Path can absorb the chakra out of a users body. Its already been stated that Preta Path can absorb any type of chakra and the databook makes it out to be limitless.
You say we're trying to discount the manga, look at yourself. Where has it said anywhere that Hashirama was stronger than Edo Madara? I'll wait for the manga scan that explicably states this. This is what the title implies and what you all imply, that Hashirama > Edo Madara. Yet Hashirama hasn't fought Edo Madara so don't give me that bullshit about us nitpicking at the manga. That's what you're doing, making assumptions as to who would win. Given that they haven't fought, its necessary for debate about the issue. At best, its inconclusive as to who would win given that we aren't Kishi. So please, spare us that pompous attitude. I'm no more wrong than you are.
Madara should've been able to absorb this mountain....:
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And Wooden release does have a mountain in it:
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And Madara's strongest ATTACK RIGHT NOW ACCORDING TO HIM IS:
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Madara's strongest attack when he faced Hashirama was:
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Also, no.. Now your making random assumptions on Madara's part. Which I haven't done on my part. And aren't you the same person who puts Kabuto + Edos above Hashirama... when Kabuto said noone alive is on his level? lmao.
You are acting like a typical fanboy who can't take his character being on the same level as another character.
Underestimating someone called the "GOD OF SHINOBI" is freaking retarded.
AND all Preta path has shown to absorb is the jutsus where chakra is visible.... when in the blue hell has it absorbed solids? Like I said before. Making random assumptions doesn't help your case.
Its clearly shown Tsunade uses Chakra when using Taijutsu.....
And don't give us random assumptions about Edo Madara >> Hashirama... even though he still can't match Hashirama's normal prowess.
You're confused as to what I meant. Tsunade has chakra enhanced taijutsu. Preta Path would in fact absorb the chakra, but there is still the physical force behind those punches that Preta Path can't absorb.
You're confused as to what I meant. Tsunade has chakra enhanced taijutsu. Preta Path would in fact absorb the chakra, but there is still the physical force behind those punches that Preta Path can't absorb.
But he should be able to absorb the chakra from her attack.... making it weaker. But he hasn't shown that. Puppydog said ANY NINJUTSU.... which includes physical attacks like mountains. HOWEVER, Manga has never shown that for a rinnegan. Hell it didn't even absorb Amaterasu.....
This thread is fallacious in its approach because we can never know if Hashirama has the appropriate prerequisites to counter the Rinnegan. You cannot assume that because Hashirama defeated Madara with the EMS that he can do it against a Madara with infinite Chakra, Mokuton and the Rinnegan.
This thread is fallacious in its approach because we can never know if Hashirama has the appropriate prerequisites to counter the Rinnegan. You cannot assume that because Hashirama defeated Madara with the EMS that he can do it against a Madara with infinite Chakra, Mokuton and the Rinnegan.
the scan you showed contained some rocks but i dont know how you came up with the idea that wood release can create rocks
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those arent created by the flower tree world, those rocks are part of the meteor that madara summoned (the first probably) that broke off from it when the second one collided with the first
