If a person is committing a crime then he's definitely not following his religion ( in this case Islam) . Not all "muslims" are practicing muslims. Any one can associate himself to any religion but what matters are his acts.
Dude says "God doesn't EXIST!" says this world is a mystery
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im willing to hear to his points if he had any legit and reasonable answers. im talking real answers and not some quotations from some ancient book. since thats all he is able to do i keep "mocking" (aka describing) his religion.
that "post above" just goes to show how ridiculous this whole religious thinking is. and you or him being offended by it, just shows, that you, even for a slight moment, might have realised, how unreasonable and illogical this whole thing is. but god forbid(no pun intended) someone questions or attacks your holy faith, which you religious people hold so dear. its as if i insulted you becaue of your skin colour. like its a part of your whole personality. except you CHOOSE to believe, you CHOOSE your religion (at least to some extent). you CHOOSE to ignore FACTS provided by the scientific community over the last few decades/centuries. you CHOOSE to claim and hold to your bible/quran, even though many of its content are either a)unethical by todays standarts, b) disproven by science, or c)contradicting in itself.
you are enslaved by that thought. a soldier of faith, defending it at every situation. i am not stubborn. thats the scientific way to think. the better and more logical argument wins. its simple as that. a scientist doesnt mind changing his opinion. but let me ask you: could you be possibly wrong? is there anything that could change your mind?
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and therein lies all the difference. you think your book is the truth. ignoring EVERYTHING around it. from the beginning to the translations, to the rewritings you ignore EVERYTHING. becaue "bruh faith"-.-
and you want to have a reasonable discussion? its just like discussing with your child how santa isnt real... only with adults. which makes it even more sad.
now go cry and be insulted because i "mocked" your religion.
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how are you guys not dodgeball champions by now, with all that dodging :Sparks:
its ok, its not like i expected any actual competition.
Your question is mixing two different definitions of omnipotence.
1) If your criteria for omnipotence is that God can create a rock so heavy that He can't lift it, then yes, He's omnipotent by creating such a rock.
2) If your criteria for omnipotence is that God can lift any object of any weight, yes He's still omnipotent by creating a rock of any weight, as He'll be able to lift it regardless of its mass.
Thus, it's your question that is incoherent, not the concept of God, more precisely, such paradoxes don't disprove the existence of God, they just shed light on the different interpretations of omnipotence. But omnipotence can't have two opposing definitons at the same time, so you have to choose one at one time.
Plus, your "either...or" mindset is that of a typical loser, instead of 'win-win' solutions. It is possible for God to create a time-space continuum where there can exist a rock so heavy that God Himself can't lift it, and He can also create another time-space continuum where objects have no mass. In both cases, God is still the creator of the worlds, regardless of your criteria of omnipotence or regardless of whether you can call Him omnipotent or not. But again, Tranzist correctly pointed out that God overpowering Himself is not part of the concept of God in classic monotheistic religions, so you're attacking a strawman god.
Btw don't say I've dodged your question, you got your yes-yes answer.
It doesn't mean your question was any less stupid, and I don't think it's funny that you are incapable of grasping the self-contradictory nature of your own question. With the same effort you could ask, can God die? If no, then He's limited, if yes, then He is limited too...While in reality, being eternal is not a limit at all.
To make it even more clear with an example: can you imagine a square with 3 sides? If no, then you are stupid, if yes, then you must have gone crazy...
See, we can play this game of arbitrarily setting up logically impossible scenarios and drawing conclusions that don't follow from those paradoxes. A square, per definitionem, has 4 sides,if it has 3, it's called a triangle not a square. Simple. Same way, if you define omnipotence one way, then you can't just call it something else within the same sentence. It's the question that doesn't make sense in the first place, so why would nonsense apply to God?
People who argue that a God exists in any form objective reality without providing evidence, deserve no platform. Relying on hypotheticals and theories that ignore scientific discoveries with in the physical plane of existence is arguing outside of reality.
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I think the main point you guys are missing (or choose not to accept) is that religion is about faith not evidence. It's a path to spiritual fulfillment and not what can be proven and not be proven
Religion is an imperfect vessel meant to bring others whom might view the world the same way you do together. But mankind has a tendency to misuse such things for personal gains or as a political bludgeon which does all a disservice. The idea of Faith and religion become misconstrued and interpreted in many different ways. Because of this, mankind turns to hate and violence because others challenge their faith. Faith in what can be proven (evidence) is no exception to this as well. And this is why we end up in these hotly debated subjects which eventually leave everyone feeling as if they are being attacked which immediately sends them on the defensive.
Ultimately faith in your religion comes down to you and your own personal relationship with whichever god you choose to worship. It's about spiritual enlightenment and not how do I prove my god exists to those who don't care to adopt my views or ways of life.
Science begins where faith ends. And What science seeks to prove begins with Faith. Just because we understand how something works doesn't make it any less of a miracle that it works the way it does in the first place. The two are inexorably intertwined When people realize, that the two (science and faith) go hand in hand maybe then can we have have more civilized discussions on this topic and not feel threatened by every opposing view put forth.
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We already have civiluzed duscussions. It's just that a forum like this cannot establish them. (Which is why I go to dedicated debate forums when I feel like having a discussion.)
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True. I was referring to this particular platform to be honest. It also didn't help that the thread creator set a rather negative tone to the thread to begin with.
Well, this platform will never really have a civilized debate on this topic. Most of it has to do with the fact that the userbase is mostly in early/mid teens and is too immature to talk about this. When 90% of userbase only knows how to say things like "X > your fav" or "X solos", it's hilarious that these kinds of threads are even allowed.
@bold I did not say that at all. As for the other part, not everyone declares that the universe can't be here on its own; that is why there are theist and atheists. Both parties can never understand enough about the universe to make a verdict, but that won't stop them from having a belief. Atheists believe that the universe got here on its own, theists believe that a vast spacetime continuum harboring so many things cannot exist without a creator. But regardless whether you are an theist or atheist, logical reasoning dictates if there is God, he cannot have a creator as he would be the origin for everything. The concept of creation or time (specifically a beginning) cannot be applied to him - as he would have created those very concepts.
Complexity of universe - you can argue whether there is a creator or not. (Hence theism and atheism).
Complexity of God (if you choose to believe in such an idea)- can't argue that he has a creator due to his complexity because he created the concept of creation.
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Only true god is Machine God.
Also with raise of our technology and understanding of cosmos we will throw away such stupid thing as religion and nations. Even though with so many people believing in god there probably exist one as Chaos God in Warp. Warhammer logic at its finest.
Also with raise of our technology and understanding of cosmos we will throw away such stupid thing as religion and nations. Even though with so many people believing in god there probably exist one as Chaos God in Warp. Warhammer logic at its finest.
Funny you say that because you haven't replied to Hyun ryu yet. It seems like you've been trained to misconstrue, bash and post biased links... and that's just about it - no depth when it comes to an argument against someone with sufficient knowledge to see through your nonsense.
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The only god that matters! Repent sinners!
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