Dual MS Kakashi Gauntlet

[BenjerminGaye]

-You’re illiterate, I clearly specified “intangibility,” And with the sharingan always active and in both eyes, it’s less than that.

its gonna be 5 uses of each ability

-Again, that isn’t the intangibility variant of Kamui. Lmfao learn how to read please.

provide proof that intangibility costs more than long range sniping.

-The proof is Obito himself who never suffered eye pain and never went blind. :sdo:

that's not proof. That's circular reasoning a logical fallacy. Try again.

-“Fought non-stop for 2 day’s straight without taking breaks.” Lmfao yeah, he fought against opponents he didn’t need to use the MS against but from what you said earlier, you’re pretty deluded already considering that you believe that Kakashi doesn’t need the sharingan to defeat Guy.

he had his ms active for majority of the second day. Obito fight onwards. I said he doesn't need obito's eye. His sharingan is enough.

Btw pretty sure I remember Kakashi being saved by Naruto and sitting idle. I also remember Kakashi hiding in the pocket dimension until his chakra refilled. I also remember Naruto refilling everyone’s chakra several times throughout that war and Kakashi closing his sharingan eye multiple times but hey

All of that happend at the end of the second day. But nice try tho. Kakashi doesn't get any handouts until

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night of day two. Thats after him fighting seven swordsman(day 1), army of zetsu disguising themselves,and still seven swordsman(night 1), getting help from naruto's arrival (day 2) helping naruto fight obito(day 2) then fighting until madara shows up(night 2), using 3 tome the entire time, and upping it to ms when fighting obito.

if you’re saying that Kakashi can fight with his eyes closed then lol.

im saying he can fight with his

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somthing hes been doing since maybe even part 1.

Anyway using part 1 feats of Kakashi against Genin is absolutely asinine, especially since...like I said, Kakashi needs to use his MS to stand a chance against Guy.

i said early part 2(and sakura is chunin at that point). but still war arc. fought for 2 days.

You cutting down the phase time to 1 minute is actually being ludicrous because realistically it should be less than that but I’ll play ball.

REalistically it should still be 5 minutes, hashi cells don't boost the power of ms techs, im throwing you a ball not the other way around.

Again, factoring in the pain that using the intangibility will cause on the eye, Kakashi will have to time it perfectly.

again hashirama cells never alleviated pain. lol @ bold perfect timing is kakashi's M.O.

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7th gate Guy’s reaction time is impeccable, the only time Kakashi would be able to even try to grab him while in the midst of intangibility, he’s prone to have a pain spasm in the eye that could end the effect of Kamui. Literally, Guy outlasts Kakashi.

lets nip this bullshit in the bud right now. If hashirama cells prevented pain then obito should not be in pain

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i shouldnt have to go out of my way to disprove bullshit claims you never actually proved to begin with, but seeing as your whole argument relies on some random pain spasm, lets eliminate that possibility all toghether.Secondly imma need you to prove that using phasing costs more chakra to use than long range sniping, cuz in the history of the entire manga i have never seen an instance where 1 ms technique was more chakra taxing than that of the other ms tech it is paired with. Next youre gonna tall me bullshit that tsukuyomi is more chakra taxing than amaterasu in the case of itachi. Or amatarasu is more intensive and taxing than that of enton in the case of sasuke. Stop making up bullshit.

Espically in the case of kamui all

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which logically automaticlly includes kakashi's kamui as well.

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learn something new everyday. anyways, 7th gate guy isn't outlasting kakashi(never has a gate user sustained a gate being open for as long as a minute) and any gate lower he gets sniped.

 

[Animegoin]

its gonna be 5 uses of each ability


provide proof that intangibility costs more than long range sniping.

that's not proof. That's circular reasoning a logical fallacy. Try again.

he had his ms active for majority of the second day. Obito fight onwards. I said he doesn't need obito's eye. His sharingan is enough.


All of that happend at the end of the second day. But nice try tho. Kakashi doesn't get any handouts until

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night of day two. Thats after him fighting seven swordsman(day 1), army of zetsu disguising themselves,and still seven swordsman(night 1), getting help from naruto's arrival (day 2) helping naruto fight obito(day 2) then fighting until madara shows up(night 2), using 3 tome the entire time, and upping it to ms when fighting obito.


im saying he can fight with his

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somthing hes been doing since maybe even part 1.

i said early part 2(and sakura is chunin at that point). but still war arc. fought for 2 days.

REalistically it should still be 5 minutes, hashi cells don't boost the power of ms techs, im throwing you a ball not the other way around.
again hashirama cells never alleviated pain. lol @ bold perfect timing is kakashi's M.O.

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lets nip this bullshit in the bud right now. If hashirama cells prevented pain then obito should not be in pain

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i shouldnt have to go out of my way to disprove bullshit claims you never actually proved to begin with, but seeing as your whole argument relies on some random pain spasm, lets eliminate that possibility all toghether.Secondly imma need you to prove that using phasing costs more chakra to use than long range sniping, cuz in the history of the entire manga i have never seen an instance where 1 ms technique was more chakra taxing than that of the other ms tech it is paired with. Next youre gonna tall me bullshit that tsukuyomi is more chakra taxing than amaterasu in the case of itachi. Or amatarasu is more intensive and taxing than that of enton in the case of sasuke. Stop making up bullshit.

Espically in the case of kamui all

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which logically automaticlly includes kakashi's kamui as well.




learn something new everyday. anyways, 7th gate guy isn't outlasting kakashi(never has a gate user sustained a gate being open for as long as a minute) and any gate lower he gets sniped.

That’s the dumbest shit I’ve read all day

 

[Oblivionx]

simply by going for the

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danzo is nowhere near as fast as ms sasuke as shown in their fight(and what's worse unlike sasuke he had no access to sharingan precognition) yet by going for trading blows he landed hits. Kakashi simply does the same here, via obito's kamui.

But then you are implying war arc kakashi can beat these guys as well coz kamui raikiri will only do more damage, simple raikiri will kill most of them too. Also danzo did have sharingan and was using it with those bandages as well against mifune so we can't say he wasn't using precognition. Also reaction is different from speed, so danzo may not be fast but if he was reacting to sasuke, that means he had good reflexes.

 

[MissingFUCKINGnin]

he stops at edo itachi

 

[3MESSIAH]

clears

EDIT:without Hagoromo's chakra and PS?

STOPS at or 9

 

[BenjerminGaye]

But then you are implying war arc kakashi can beat these guys as well coz kamui raikiri will only do more damage, simple raikiri will kill most of them too. Also danzo did have sharingan and was using it with those bandages as well against mifune so we can't say he wasn't using precognition. Also reaction is different from speed, so danzo may not be fast but if he was reacting to sasuke, that means he had good reflexes.

the use of kamui is to protect against their counterattack. And no danzo didn't have 3t until he took off the bandages

 

[Oblivionx]

the use of kamui is to protect against their counterattack. And no danzo didn't have 3t until he took off the bandages

You mean intangibility. Well i suppose, that way he does seem threatening but not for ftg duo as well as naruto. Since naruto can make thousands of clones. Susano might be a problem too but i guess he can snipe a portion of it.

 

[Mellanoma]

its gonna be 5 uses of each ability

Not my argument but

I think you are seriously overestimating Kakashi's dual MS stamina and abilities, without riku-chakra.

MS Indra Incarnate Full blooded Uchiha Sasuke exhausted himself at this point during the Kage Summit meet:

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This was after what?

1 Amaterasu
1 Genjutsu
2 Rib Susanoo
2 Enton Abilities
1 Full Susanoo


You really expect Kakashi, who lacks any of the pro uchiha/incarnate prowess or Hashirama cells will effectively use the eyes at such levels?

You also have to remember 2 sharingan being active is double the chakra consumed.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Not my argument but

I think you are seriously overestimating Kakashi's dual MS stamina and abilities, without riku-chakra.

MS Indra Incarnate Full blooded Uchiha Sasuke exhausted himself at this point during the Kage Summit meet:

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This was after what?

1 Amaterasu
1 Genjutsu
2 Rib Susanoo
2 Enton Abilities
1 Full Susanoo


You really expect Kakashi, who lacks any of the pro uchiha/incarnate prowess or Hashirama cells will effectively use the eyes at such levels?

You also have to remember 2 sharingan being active is double the chakra consumed.

He used MS 8 times that day.

Ms genjutsu on C.
Ribcage to defend from liger bomb(susanno still up)
Amaterasu on ay(susanno still up)
Enton coated ribcage to protect from Ay(susanno still up)
Enton spikes to protect again(susanno still up)
Enton thrown at garra(susanno still up)
Full susanoo to cut the pillars
Then ribcage again against mei(pulls out susanno again)


Im not asking kakashi to use and abuse susanoo like sasuke did in conjunction with using his other ms techs. its 3 uses.

And i already factored that. If using both eyes doubles the chakra taxing rate then he goes from 2 days nonstop fighting to 1. I even did it 1 better and cut him down to 6 hours. 1/8th of what he can do on 1 eye.

You mean intangibility. Well i suppose, that way he does seem threatening but not for ftg duo as well as naruto. Since naruto can make thousands of clones. Susano might be a problem too but i guess he can snipe a portion of it.

i already admit the ftg duo smacks him. kamui too slow. But susanoo doesn't really stop kakashi at least this kakashi.

 

[Mellanoma]

He used MS 8 times that day.

Ms genjutsu on C.
Ribcage to defend from liger bomb(susanno still up)
Amaterasu on ay(susanno still up)
Enton coated ribcage to protect from Ay(susanno still up)
Enton spikes to protect again(susanno still up)
Enton thrown at garra(susanno still up)
Full susanoo to cut the pillars
Then ribcage again against mei(pulls out susanno again)


Im not asking kakashi to use and abuse susanoo like sasuke did in conjunction with using his other ms techs. its 3 uses.

And i already factored that. If using both eyes doubles the chakra taxing rate then he goes from 2 days nonstop fighting to 1. I even did it 1 better and cut him down to 6 hours. 1/8th of what he can do on 1 eye.





i already admit the ftg duo smacks him. kamui too slow. But susanoo doesn't really stop kakashi at least this kakashi.

While I get what you're saying I'm afraid it won't factor out so easily. Reason why?

1) This is a gauntlet which based on OP there is no rest between opponents

2) Kakashi played a support role for those 2 days of fighting. He wasn't required to give his all constantly as Naruto(Mainly) and bee were the real opposition. While this may come off as not a big deal it actually plays a huge factor since Kakashi had lots of small breaks in terms of stamina usage (Fighting,dodging,evading etc).


As I stated before I'm not really arguing the gauntlet just speaking on the "5 uses per ability" comment you stated

 

[BenjerminGaye]

While I get what you're saying I'm afraid it won't factor out so easily. Reason why?

1) This is a gauntlet which based on OP there is no rest between opponents

2) Kakashi played a support role for those 2 days of fighting. He wasn't required to give his all constantly as Naruto(Mainly) and bee were the real opposition. While this may come off as not a big deal it actually plays a huge factor since Kakashi had lots of small breaks in terms of stamina usage (Fighting,dodging,evading etc).


As I stated before I'm not really arguing the gauntlet just speaking on the "5 uses per ability" comment you stated

Kakashi has both of Obitos eyes. He doesn't have any of Hagoromos chakra, is rested and at his normal war arc stamina peak. No PS

Which ones does he win and lose

im pretty sure the bold means he rests between fights.

If it was a 1 chakra tank run, then hed say (assuming he 's good with english) something along the lines of "how far does he make it" opposed to which fights he "wins or loses". And on top of that he did say kakashi is rested.

and for point 2, no he didnt. He was front lines against zabuza, he was front lines against the remaining 6 swordsman (cut Fuguki Suikazan down himself) then had to go head to head solo against 4 v2 jinchuriki for multiple waves. Then come night where his kamui is integral to even hitting obito b4 he's forced to fight obito 1v1 since madara tied up naruto. only time he took a back seat is after the rest of the SA got there.

i said he has 5 uses total but my plan only requires 3 tops.