DSM Kabuto Vs Six Paths of Pain

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Rinnegan, like all Dojutsu, sees chakra. Nice try. I need a scan of Pain being able to sense chakra, this isn't it.

Not sure if serious....how the hell are you going to take precautions to evade something you can't see coming at all? Exactly. You won't. Period. Not debatable so stop trying to say he'll try to evade something, he doesn't know is coming at him.

Are you kidding me? Asura is going to fire missiles at Kabuto while blinded, deaf, and paralyzed? :|

ST is going to do what to Kabuto exactly? He'd just get right back up with no damage at all. BT is countered by Oral Rebirth or by turning his whole body into liquid so Pain can't grasp him. Not to mention this isn't happening while Pain is paralyzed, deaf and blind.

Yes they get their movement back when the move ends, too bad they'll be dead before the move ends.

Lmao liquid is immune to the force of repulsion and attraction now is it? Lml no,

He would levitate to get above the Blinding light, which if outside is not even going to be that blinding, and actually pretty sure Asura path doesn't even have bones inside of him (also when he pulls the rockets out of his arm) he's mostly machine ,anyways in a rush will counter the rest later as show me a scan that says Rinnegan can see chakra which is clearly false and has been proven so on multiple occasions
 

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Kabuto touched only touched a small part of the cave. So with your logic, Kabuto should only be able to control the part of the cave he touched.
Which is not true since Kabuto manipulated the entire cave.
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Don't try to be a smart ass. The entire cave is connected. Clearly touching one part would infuse all of it. By my logic, touching that one part 'livened' the entire cave. He isn't animating 10 separate rocks by only touching 1.
 

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IMO Nagato > Kabuto > Pain.
 

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Kabuto even without Edo Tensei roflstomps
 

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Lmao liquid is immune to the force of repulsion and attraction now is it? Lml no,

You must have have a difficult time understanding what is read. I said he wouldn't be injured by it, nor would Pain be able to grasp him so again, what's the point of attacking him if you can't injure him? Oh wait, there is no point.

He would levitate to get above the Blinding light, which if outside is not even going to be that blinding, and actually pretty sure Asura path doesn't even have bones inside of him (also when he pulls the rockets out of his arm) he's mostly machine ,anyways in a rush will counter the rest later as show me a scan that says Rinnegan can see chakra which is clearly false and has been proven so on multiple occasions

Baseless assumption. It'll be weaker but more than enough to impair Pain.

Again, Asura is going to attack him while blind and deaf? Without knowing where to aim? Please stop cause I'm having a hard time taking you seriously.

Rinnegan can't see through chakra? Please slap yourself, that nonsense right there is sigworthy.

Rinnegan can't see chakra?


Pain can sense but didn't know where Naruto and Animal Path were?


Slap yourself. Its as clear as day that he looked at the chakra in their feet to see it and didn't sense it. Pain sensing is fanfiction.

Again, slap yourself for saying Rinnegan can't see chakra and slap yourself for saying that its been proven that it can't in the manga.
 

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You must have have a difficult time understanding what is read. I said he wouldn't be injured by it, nor would Pain be able to grasp him so again, what's the point of attacking him if you can't injure him? Oh wait, there is no point.



Baseless assumption. It'll be weaker but more than enough to impair Pain.

Again, Asura is going to attack him while blind and deaf? Without knowing where to aim? Please stop cause I'm having a hard time taking you seriously.

Rinnegan can't see through chakra? Please slap yourself, that nonsense right there is sigworthy.

Rinnegan can't see chakra?


Pain can sense but didn't know where Naruto and Animal Path were?


Slap yourself. Its as clear as day that he looked at the chakra in their feet to see it and didn't sense it. Pain sensing is fanfiction.

Again, slap yourself for saying Rinnegan can't see chakra and slap yourself for saying that its been proven that it can't in the manga.

Lmao what happens when the liquid is spread apart then :| is the liquid just simply going to come back together and form Kabuto ? An St separates the liquid form he enters although its not the same as suigetsu its a version meant to escape from certain situations and traps, its not his go too defense,

Again you said it yourself that Nagato can sense chakra regardless, and we all know basic jutsu and abilities Nagato had the pains were able to use No reason why he can't sense

Also look at that scan you posted it clearly shows him activating something through his eye's which he obviously doesn't do here Just saying

And as for that "why did he not do it here" question why the **** did he not summon the Gedo? or summon the chameleon and panda shield which would of been rather helpful in multiple occasions, although does sensing even alow you too sense chakra through a organic creature? Pretty sure he would need Byakugan, Or hell actually now that i think about it couldn't dojutsu's chakra viewing suffice here? Itachi could see chakra through the rocks of the cave when he fought Naruto....Most likely Bunta's own chakra was hiding him from Deva's sensing

Again Asura with NAGATO's Sensing will be able to sense Kabuto and fire missiles at him
 

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Lmao what happens when the liquid is spread apart then :| is the liquid just simply going to come back together and form Kabuto ? An St separates the liquid form he enters although its not the same as suigetsu its a version meant to escape from certain situations and traps, its not his go too defense,

It obviously will come back together just like it did in the manga.



Again you said it yourself that Nagato can sense chakra regardless, and we all know basic jutsu and abilities Nagato had the pains were able to use No reason why he can't sense
Get me a scan of him being able to sense and then he can do it despite manga showing he can't.

Also look at that scan you posted it clearly shows him activating something through his eye's which he obviously doesn't do here Just saying
lmao. What the hell are you talking about? That was him looking at the barrier to see the chakra. All Kishimoto did was close up on his eye, does it all the time in the manga so I have no clue what you are talking about, pretty much grasping at straws.

And as for that "why did he not do it here" question why the **** did he not summon the Gedo? or summon the chameleon and panda shield which would of been rather helpful in multiple occasions, although does sensing even alow you too sense chakra through a organic creature? Pretty sure he would need Byakugan, Or hell actually now that i think about it couldn't dojutsu's chakra viewing suffice here? Itachi could see chakra through the rocks of the cave when he fought Naruto....Most likely Bunta's own chakra was hiding him from Deva's sensing
The bolded parts aren't rebuttals so they will be ignored. The underlined is nothing but a baseless assumption, you are going to need some kind of proof to back this up. There is no reason why he wouldn't be able to sense them.

lol? Bunta has chakra, so looking at him via Rinnegan would end up letting him see all of Bunta's chakra but not the chakra behind Bunta's chakra, which is Naruto's chakra. Rocks don't have chakra.

Again Asura with NAGATO's Sensing will be able to sense Kabuto and fire missiles at him

lmao, you have failed to show a scan of him sensing yet you say he can sense? Please stop with the fanfiction.

Pain can sense but he got blindsided by Naruto here once Shared Vision was blocked? Lmao, stop trying. Kabuto rapes every path via Muki Tensei.

Lmao, Pain can sense?
 
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Lol at asura firing missiles at kabuto... His enhanced reaction and sensing abilities easily evade them like a cake walk. Or better yet he can simply turn his body into water.
 

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It obviously will come back together just like it did in the manga.




Get me a scan of him being able to sense and then he can do it despite manga showing he can't.


lmao. What the hell are you talking about? That was him looking at the barrier to see the chakra. All Kishimoto did was close up on his eye, does it all the time in the manga so I have no clue what you are talking about, pretty much grasping at straws.


The bolded parts aren't rebuttals so they will be ignored. The underlined is nothing but a baseless assumption, you are going to need some kind of proof to back this up. There is no reason why he wouldn't be able to sense them.

lol? Bunta has chakra, so looking at him via Rinnegan would end up letting him see all of Bunta's chakra but not the chakra behind Bunta's chakra, which is Naruto's chakra. Rocks don't have chakra.



lmao, you have failed to show a scan of him sensing yet you say he can sense? Please stop with the fanfiction.

Pain can sense but he got blindsided by Naruto here once Shared Vision was blocked? Lmao, stop trying. Kabuto rapes every path via Muki Tensei.

*sigh* reason why it wasn't showed in the manga is because as you said it wasn't needed if his rinnegan could see chakra.

Now if you look at it logically how do you think this Hidden Rain jutsu works :| He pours his chakra (a vast amount) Into the rain which acts as a medium for him to then sense every being caught under the rain's chakra

So what does this mean? The chakra he uses in that technique has the ability to sense yet your saying he can't ....kind of illogical really

...He can sense chakra


As you would say... read up on the technique U_U ;)

@PC While using Muki Tensei? Which requires his focus lol thats fine but that means pain survives the WR
 

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*sigh* reason why it wasn't showed in the manga is because as you said it wasn't needed if his rinnegan could see chakra.

It wasn't shown because he doesn't have it. Simple as that.

Now if you look at it logically how do you think this Hidden Rain jutsu works :| He pours his chakra (a vast amount) Into the rain which acts as a medium for him to then sense every being caught under the rain's chakra

So what does this mean? The chakra he uses in that technique has the ability to sense yet your saying he can't ....kind of illogical really

...He can sense chakra

Nothing you posted changes the fact that he can't sense chakra. I'm waiting for a scan.

-Pain can't sense. If he could that never would have happened.


-If he could sense this never would have happened either.


I'm not going to follow your logic when manga has displayed that Pain pretty much has zero sensing ability.
 

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Lol Zexion, I suggest you re read the Uchiha bros fight with kabuto because he has shown the necessary reaction and speed feats to pull off evading asura pains missiles.
 

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It wasn't shown because he doesn't have it. Simple as that.



Nothing you posted changes the fact that he can't sense chakra. I'm waiting for a scan.

-Pain can't sense. If he could that never would have happened.


-If he could sense this never would have happened either.


I'm not going to follow your logic when manga has displayed that Pain pretty much has zero sensing ability.

How is the matter of deva pain having sensing abilities still being discussed? the fight with sm naruto pretty much saids he doesnt, the links you posted clearly say your right.
 

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It wasn't shown because he doesn't have it. Simple as that.



Nothing you posted changes the fact that he can't sense chakra. I'm waiting for a scan.

-Pain can't sense. If he could that never would have happened.


-If he could sense this never would have happened either.


I'm not going to follow your logic when manga has displayed that Pain pretty much has zero sensing ability.


Oh my lord the Hidden Rain at will technique basically proves he can sense :|

Sensing is an ability you use btw, its not instant lmao Its like Saying how did SM Naruto not know Preta Path had been revived via Naruka or Why didn't Ino Realize Kakuzu wasn't dead after the Raikiri......... Ask kishi that question, its why we even use VS threads to implement abilities in certain fights that were not in the manga.

Same reason that we all know Pain Destroys SM Naruto .....

Hidden Rain at will technique requires the input of chakra, Pains chakra .....Which is then able to sense any and all chakra sources touched by the rain....conclusion? Pain's chakra has the ability to sense (A.K.A Nagato's chakra which we all know def. CAN Sense) The rain merely spreads it around in a larger area

Pain Knew where Jiraiya went here

Realized a clone had spawned here With clearly no visual contact

Also how he sensed Jiraiya's chakra being re-activated when he had a little mini-Reincarnation


On a side note...wow ..never realized how bad Kishi cut Jiraiya VS Pains ending there lml
 

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Pain Knew where Jiraiya went here

Realized a clone had spawned here With clearly no visual contact

Also how he sensed Jiraiya's chakra being re-activated when he had a little mini-Reincarnation


On a side note...wow ..never realized how bad Kishi cut Jiraiya VS Pains ending there lml

The scans you posted of pain sensing is actually debateable. Once can argue those weren't really sensing feats.
 

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The scans you posted of pain sensing is actually debateable. Once can argue those weren't really sensing feats.

Yes indeed my man .....you have no idea how bad Kishi hyped up Pain in his fight with Jiraiya, then when his arc came he forgot so much from his arsenal :| He solo'd jiraiya without even needing deva and was even comparing him with that of a god....Yet again when his arc came the whole god reference which i loved flew out the window and he was nerfed immensely

For one and 2 yes one could argue they're not sensing feats...but for that last one from such a distance and leaving the battlefield thinking he was dead? No way its not a sensing feat

Although again not seeing how Hidden Rain at will doesn't prove my point

Also i'd like dto point out that I'm fairly certain Rinnegan can't see internal Chakra, as then what would be the point of the Byakugan :|
 
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Oh my lord the Hidden Rain at will technique basically proves he can sense :|

Sensing is an ability you use btw, its not instant lmao Its like Saying how did SM Naruto not know Preta Path had been revived via Naruka or Why didn't Ino Realize Kakuzu wasn't dead after the Raikiri......... Ask kishi that question, its why we even use VS threads to implement abilities in certain fights that were not in the manga.

Same reason that we all know Pain Destroys SM Naruto .....

Hidden Rain at will technique requires the input of chakra, Pains chakra .....Which is then able to sense any and all chakra sources touched by the rain....conclusion? Pain's chakra has the ability to sense (A.K.A Nagato's chakra which we all know def. CAN Sense) The rain merely spreads it around in a larger area

Not a scan so not important. You taking other things and trying to blame Kishi for not showing Pain sense even though you think he can, when he clearly can't. Won't change the fact that manga has displayed many times that he can't sense. Same goes for the below part of your post. I have already provided evidence he can't sense when using his Pain bodies, but you keep on going on about Kishi and and all this unnecessary nonsense.

Pain Knew where Jiraiya went here
Rinnegan sees chakra just like every other Dojutsu, through hindrances, just like every other Dojutsu. Clearly he saw him in the pipes via Rinnegan.

Realized a clone had spawned here With clearly no visual contact
Do you not see Preta Path's eye turn backwards? lmao, come on now. He clearly saw Jiraiya's clone there.

Also how he sensed Jiraiya's chakra being re-activated when he had a little mini-Reincarnation

Really? Now its clear you are grasping at straws. Jiraiya made that groaning noise in the top panel and Pain looked at him and saw that he was alive.


@above post: lol? What? Rinnegan sees chakra just like Sharingan does. Internal and all. Go research the Byakugan if you don't know what it does besides seeing chakra.
 

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Not a scan so not important. You taking other things and trying to blame Kishi for not showing Pain sense even though you think he can, when he clearly can't. Won't change the fact that manga has displayed many times that he can't sense. Same goes for the below part of your post. I have already provided evidence he can't sense when using his Pain bodies, but you keep on going on about Kishi and and all this unnecessary nonsense.

Again not countering the fact that his chakra has sensing abilities hence why Hidden Rain jutsu works you've ignored this numerous times now


Rinnegan sees chakra just like every other Dojutsu, through hindrances, just like every other Dojutsu. Clearly he saw him in the pipes via Rinnegan.

No it ****ing doesn't as Pain would of clearly known where jiraiya was then now wouldn't of he, Jiraiya's genjutsu gave their position away :| Nor did pain ever See chakra through Smoke Screen's lml grasping at straws is what your doing my man, not to mention that there is no way in hell he could sense via Dojutsu that far :| As Sharingan cant' even really


Do you not see Preta Path's eye turn backwards? lmao, come on now. He clearly saw Jiraiya's clone there.

lol embarrising really, why do you think his eye turned backwards...:| Because he sensed it had he saw it he would of immediately stopped but it didn't become Sen-sable or Visible until Preta passed by


Really? Now its clear you are grasping at straws. Jiraiya made that groaning noise in the top panel and Pain looked at him and saw that he was alive.

from that far away. hearing a meager groan which clearly could not of been that loud if his vocals were crushed :| LOL please. The fact still remains he could tell that Jiraiya's heart had stopped and its not like he bent down and took a pulse, you know sensing allows you to realize when someone is dead right? I don't think you do :|

@above post: lol? What? Rinnegan sees chakra just like Sharingan does. Internal and all. Go research the Byakugan if you don't know what it does besides seeing chakra.

Lml Your basically Saying Rinnegan allows the user to see the opponents chakra system, points and all :|


SN- I need to chill on the :| ...Way too many XD
 

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Again not countering the fact that his chakra has sensing abilities hence why Hidden Rain jutsu works you've ignored this numerous times now
Again, not countering the fact that Pain has been blindsided twice now despite being a sensor according to you.

His Rain technique creates rain that is linked to his senses. That's why he can sense people with it. You don't need chakra sensing abilities for it to work, don't even know where you pulled that shit from.

Rain Tiger¹ at Will Technique (雨虎自在の術, Ukojizai no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, No rank, Supplementary, All ranges
User: Pain

Is this heavenly net of rain, falling down and enclosing, the tears of a god grieving for his village?

A perception ninjutsu, allowing one to freely manipulate rain infused with the user's own chakra. In the village of Amegakure, it rains each week on Sunday... This rain falls from rain clouds, formed with Pain's own chakra. During this technique, the falling raindrops are closely linked to pain's senses. When the rain is obstructed by a chakra belonging to someone not of the village, the existence of the intruder can be detected. Also, in order to function in the "place" where the technique was invoked, the rain will keep on falling until Pain uses the seal to cancel it. Therefore, when Pain leaves the village, he always uses this technique, keeping a close eye on the village of Amegakure.

[picture of Pain using this technique]
→When Pain unleashes the technique, the rain falls. The hunt for intruders begins...

Covering the village is a strict, vigilant net!!

[picture of the rain falling down on Amegakure]
↑The rain seems convenient for infiltrating. However, it is a definite trap.

¹ The tiger is well-known for its ferocity and watchfulness. It keeps a very close guard on its cubs, watches vigilantly for an opportunity to catch its pray, and walks huge distances to patrol its territory.



No it ****ing doesn't as Pain would of clearly known where jiraiya was then now wouldn't of he, Jiraiya's genjutsu gave their position away :| Nor did pain ever See chakra through Smoke Screen's lml grasping at straws is what your doing my man, not to mention that there is no way in hell he could sense via Dojutsu that far :| As Sharingan cant' even really

I already proved Rinnegan saw chakra, so this makes this part of your post moot. Only an idiot would say Rinnegan can't see chakra despite that being a basic ability of every Dojutsu. Despite a scan of him seeing the barrier around Konoha already having been posted in this thread.

lol? If Pain was a sensor he would have located Jiraiya either way, so you pretty much just shitted on your own post. Again, just stop. Manga has already shown Pain can't sense. There is no debate here.

I'm grasping at straws? Says the guy trying to blame plot and Kishi for Pain not showing his sensing in the Naruto vs Pain fight. lmao. This argument ended the moment I posted two scans of Pain being unable to sense Naruto destroying his bodies. The rest is just you trying to combat manga fact with your assumptions.



lol embarrising really, why do you think his eye turned backwards...:| Because he sensed it had he saw it he would of immediately stopped but it didn't become Sen-sable or Visible until Preta passed by
Do I have to circle out the damn panel for you? Stop grasping at straws. THAT is embarrasing.

-Look at the middle of his eye and you will see it pointed in Jiraiya's direction. I already know you are going to come here with some BS so i'll circle it anyways.

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You can see the SFX for the Clone sticking out, meaning it only appeared until after Preta passed by. If he could sense, he would have sensed it before it had to reveal itself. There was nothing preventing it from being sensed so why he didn't he notice it until after it appeared?

Because he can't sense.


from that far away. hearing a meager groan which clearly could not of been that loud if his vocals were crushed :| LOL please. The fact still remains he could tell that Jiraiya's heart had stopped and its not like he bent down and took a pulse, you know sensing allows you to realize when someone is dead right? I don't think you do :|
The room is completely quiet. Not to mention open spaces have echos. It doesn't need to be loud for Pain to hear it. In a quiet room you can even hear a pin drop, so you saying it won't be loud really isn't helping your argument for shit here.

Pain heard his groan and heard him rise up and looked over. You can try and say he can sense but I'll just refer you to the manga pages where he got blindsided by Naruto.



Its either Pain is a shitty ass sensor (False) or he can't sense at all (True) Your pick.

Lml Your basically Saying Rinnegan allows the user to see the opponents chakra system, points and all :|

Nope. Only chakra in the body.
 
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