DSM Kabuto vs Pain

[Penguin]

Kabuto DSM wins

 

[Brother Numpsay]

First ST to knock down cave .. then CT becomes a factor

So there you have it.

First ST.

Whats next? He either has to make an escape OR use CT from that hole he just made.

Kabuto reanimates inorganic objects to repairs it or just use Jirōbō's earth jutsu's

 

[Pekoms]

First ST to knock down cave .. then CT becomes a factor

You realize the cave encompasses them and thus at the very least, a good chunk of rubble comes crashing down on them?
Also, Nagato would have to drop the other paths to make Deva strong enough to do so, those paths would be destroyed.

Thanks to Kabuto's liquid state, he can tank it and retaliate against Deva Path before it can do anything else.

 

[Zexion~]

^ well it would just be a minor ST The cave is not that big .. Look at my manga scan in a earlier post its pretty destructive even without being big

And Like i said Since when to falling rocks factor in to any battle

Sasori vs chyo and sakura?

Hidan+Kakuzu vs Yugito nii?

Etc

Shinobi dodge falling Objects with is .. According to NV logic

 

[Midday]

Nagato fear the toads song genjutsu and was unaware:

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Nagato wanted to stop it ASAP at that point. If it was simple for Nagato to add chakra to disrupt the bodies he wouldn't of done it at Naruto's encounter. But he killed the user instead before he could use it. As for that method anyway I still don't think it would work with this type of genjutsu. Itachi and Sasuke had to use Yin release to get each other out.

Genjutsu can be broken out by disrupting chakra flow. Nagato controls his paths with chakra, messing with their chakra disrupts the flow releasing them from any genjutsu.

The ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra; this is called Genjutsu Dissipation (幻術解, Genjutsu Kai). This can also be done by an unaffected ninja by applying a sudden surge of chakra into the affected person

I don't see how it's a problem when Nagato can match all the requirements for it.

As for Kabuto what does he have on a bansho tennin soul rip combo, I don't see him beating Pain at all. Assura paths chakra cannon would leave Kabuto looking like Puddy like a tbb did to Sugetsu who needed a whole lakes worth of water to just survive that. hydrafication only combats physical attacks.

 

[Curse Mark]

^ well it would just be a minor ST The cave is not that big .. Look at my manga scan in a earlier post its pretty destructive even without being big

And Like i said Since when to falling rocks factor in to any battle

Sasori vs chyo and sakura?

Hidan+Kakuzu vs Yugito nii?

Etc

Shinobi dodge falling Objects with is .. According to NV logic

Lol that argument was already thrown out and that last sentence makes 0 sense

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Genjutsu can be broken out by disrupting chakra flow. Nagato controls his paths with chakra, messing with their chakra disrupts the flow releasing them from any genjutsu.



I don't see how it's a problem when Nagato can match all the requirements for it.
Because he would of done it against J man. You might say "He plan it so he can surprise him with the other 3." But his reaction doesn't show it.

As for Kabuto what does he have on a bansho tennin soul rip combo, I don't see him beating Pain at all.

His whole arsenal can deadly (Its too much to list, instead Ill would aruge how he counters Pain's move). Bansho is useless since he can easily grab whole on something(same tactic as Kakashi). Soul rip (Human Path) takes a subjugation process inorder to success. That is useless against a SM user who's attribute dramatically increases (like physical prowess)

 

[Zexion~]

Lol that argument was already thrown out and that last sentence makes 0 sense

How was it thrown out? Besides pains almight push doesnt cause it to crumble around him .. It spreads the cave blowing it AWAY from him lol im an idiot for not realizing it before ... So no the cave would not come crashing down

Seeing how he is the epicenter of the blast It makes things around him move outward

 

[Midday]

Because he would of done it against J man. You might say "He plan it so he can surprise him with the other 3." But his reaction doesn't show it.

His whole arsenal can deadly (Its too much to list, instead Ill would aruge how he counters Pain's move). Bansho is useless since he can easily grab whole on something(same tactic as Kakashi). Soul rip (Human Path) takes a subjugation process inorder to success. That is useless against a SM user who's attribute dramatically increases (like physical prowess)

Not using the chakra disrupt method when against Jiriya does not mean it's not possible. He disrupts chakra flow by stopping his chakra controlling the paths, he then pumps his chakra back in. That dispels genjutsu, there is nothing wrong with that method.

As for the Jiriya bit,

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If bansho tennin was useless how come it worked so effectively on kcm Naruto who has chakra arms but couldnt prevent it. If he did the same thing as kakshi he's just going to be stationary where he can be open for a range of attacks from the paths like the chakra cannon or human path can just run besides him and soul rip. Subjugation process? All he has to do it touch them and rip the soul out in no time like he did to shizune. Apparently it's not useless since petra path easily forced sm Naruto into submission via a full nelson.

 

[Pekoms]

How was it thrown out? Besides pains almight push doesnt cause it to crumble around him .. It spreads the cave blowing it AWAY from him lol im an idiot for not realizing it before ... So no the cave would not come crashing down

Seeing how he is the epicenter of the blast It makes things around him move outward

What goes up, must come down. That is in reference to the region directly above Pein and Kabuto.
Not to mention a small Shinra Tensei isn't going to devastate the entire location and leave nothing but dust.

Also, the only time the Deva Path made an omnidirectional push was when the other paths were disconnected.
He can certainly do one large enough to destroy the cave, but he'd sacrifice every other path and become open.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Not using the chakra disrupt method when against Jiriya does not mean it's not possible. He disrupts chakra flow by stopping his chakra controlling the paths, he then pumps his chakra back in. That dispels genjutsu, there is nothing wrong with that method.
I should reason that it is possible to get out that way, but to say all 6 path of safe(during its process) is unlikely.


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If bansho tennin was useless how come it worked so effectively on kcm Naruto who has chakra arms but couldnt prevent it.
Chakra arms blocked it its next move (metor thing)

If he did the same thing as kakshi he's just going to be stationary where he can be open for a range of attacks from the paths like the chakra cannon or human path can just run besides him and soul rip.
You seriously think that would be be easy? Human Path gets ripped apart if he tries to charge in, Same as what J-man did. Asura didnt seem to do that when they try to catch Kakashi. To deal with Asura is either White rage, earth release, Kidomaru's webs restraint, list goes on.

Subjugation process? All he has to do it touch them and rip the soul out in no time like he did to shizune.
Shizune was subjugated. Naruto was too. And it took a while for Naruto soul to be snatch up. My argument still stands he needs to subjugate an opponent. Human gets ripped apart once he is close.
Apparently it's not useless since petra path easily forced sm Naruto into submission via a full nelson.
Not worth mentioning because that is an example of bad match up when natural energy is in play.

The list goes on.

 

[Zexion~]

What goes up, must come down. That is in reference to the region directly above Pein and Kabuto.
Not to mention a small Shinra Tensei isn't going to devastate the entire location and leave nothing but dust.

Also, the only time the Deva Path made an omnidirectional push was when the other paths were disconnected.
He can certainly do one large enough to destroy the cave, but he'd sacrifice every other path and become open.

Not true when he was battling kakashi who summoned Mud wall he used a ST Big enough that chouja and Chouji Could see from A pretty long distance off .. Without sacrificing anything

 

[EZQ]

kabuto rapes with edo tensei

kabuto wins mid.high diff without edo tensei

 

[SevEnSiNS]

Pain rapes kabuto.....
He can destroy the edo's with The Demonic Statue of the Outer Path...... as he used against hanzo....

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as it removes the souls edos will be useless...as the souls will be removed......
he can also remove souls by human path

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and he can prevent kabuto from using edo tensie by using almighty push so that he cant clap his hands together....
without edo's kabuto is at a disadvantage.... Pain wins wid mid difficulty....

 

[KidGamer65]

The gravity lasts as long as the sphere's around or the sphere wouldn't maintain it's shape.

The gravity is only holding it up. It obviously isn't pulling anything towards it otherwise rocks would be coming upwards. Nagato needing to put is input in to make it start pulling things up again is proof that once the sphere is made it automatically stops pulling things towards it. So no, Kabuto won't pulled towards it once he tries to escape after it has been made. Thus he can escape.

The baseless assumption is you saying a crappy technique can break out of Chibaku Tensei, honestly.

When did Kabuto even use Hydrification?

Lmao, I just saw this comment and I have to just laugh at how stupid it is..You calling it a crappy technique is subjective first of all, and using subjective terms as support in a debate is quite foolish. Second of all it isn't an assumption. There are cracks in the sphere so water can slip through.

 

[Zexion~]

^but if gravity is holding up ... then the water would stay as well you cant slip away from a gravitation feild like that .. no matter what you are

 

[KidGamer65]

^but if gravity is holding up ... then the water would stay as well you cant slip away from a gravitation feild like that .. no matter what you are

No. KN8 Naruto was able to break out of the sphere, if what you were saying is true then that wouldn't have happened.

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Rocks are falling from the sphere despite your claims the water being stuck there are it being pulled up.

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Nagato coughs and the sphere falls apart.

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He was also ready to put more rocks on it, that proves that it needs his input to attract things once again after its finished.

 

[Curse Mark]

No. KN8 Naruto was able to break out of the sphere, if what you were saying is true then that wouldn't have happened.

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Rocks are falling from the sphere despite your claims the water being stuck there are it being pulled up.

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Nagato coughs and the sphere falls apart.

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He was also ready to put more rocks on it, that proves that it needs his input to attract things once again after its finished.

I agree with you, but he coughed because he was overdoing it and the jutsu was released. Hence it falling apart.

 

[KidGamer65]

I agree with you, but he coughed because he was overdoing it and the jutsu was released. Hence it falling apart.

I know, I should have made it more clear in my post though.

 

[Zexion~]

... But Your comparing water .. to a KN8 naruto? i see your point about the rocks falling .. thats weird seeing as most of them remain