DSM Kabuto vs. EMS Madara

[UchihaNagashi]

lol, here we go with the massive Kabuto wank.

Madara shits on him. Point, blank, period.


Smh....do you even realize how large Perfect Susanoo is?

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Those gates are around the

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, and Killer B in Hachibi Mode is just

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You really think sand, that will be weaker than Gaara's since it lacks the chakra inside it to enhance it, will restrain it? Or move it? lmao, not even sure if serious, What will Madara be doing while this happens anyway? Sucking his thumbs? lmao. 1 slash renders this whole method completely useless.


lol, don't know where you got your measurements from, but I see no evidence supporting them. Your little scenario here depicts Madara doing nothing while a giant snake approaches him and tries to wrap around his Susanoo until its already made him fall. Let me tell you what would really happen, cause this nonsense makes no sense.

-Manda II approaches PS.

-PS swings its blade and Manda II dies, Kabuto dies if he doesn't enter liquid form, but his liquids get scattered all across the landscape like DA stated.



So, Madara doesn't reactivate Perfect Susanoo while Kabuto is tying him up with webs? Smh.......:|

All your arguments in this post rely on Madara doing nothing or doing nothing until its too late.



Not seeing any kind of evidence that allows him to do such a thing, in fact all I see is you giving him Hashirama's feats, especially when Hashirama is the one who can keep up with someone fast enough to blitz SM Naruto. Kabuto's speed is meh in comparison.



Then Madara swings his blade and deflects Kabuto Sound Genjutsu along with wiping him off the face of the map.

So your point and logic is to resolve and solve every problem he counters with a slash, later even killing him with it?

That's pretty odd resolve if the victim is technically immune to melee attacks. Madara would exhaust himself eventually. Actually, that's pretty bad resolve I have to say.

Also, since when was Hakugeki physical? With evidence of that, Madara is not laying a single finger.​

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[Brother Numpsay]

So your point and logic is to resolve and solve every problem he counters with a slash, later even killing him with it?

That's pretty odd resolve if the victim is technically immune to melee attacks. Madara would exhaust himself eventually. Actually, that's pretty bad resolve I have to say.

Also, since when was Hakugeki physical? With evidence of that, Madara is not laying a single finger.​

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You should of made a rebuttal anyway..

-You can easily counter Manda II scaling
-Concerning Kabuto Sand control being inferior to Gaara's.

I can make an argument on how broken Manda II can be with evidence but I rather not rustle their jimmies.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

You should of made a rebuttal anyway..

-You can easily counter Manda II scaling
-Concerning Kabuto Sand control being inferior to Gaara's.

I can make an argument on how broken Manda II can be with evidence but I rather not rustle their jimmies.

I'm on mobile, I'll make rebuttal later. Kabuto's sand though, isn't being controlled with chakra KG65. Lol

Make it then.​

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[Brother Numpsay]

Make it then.​

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Ill break it down later since I am going to work soon.

 

[KidGamer65]

Of course it is as he was motionless just like when he was facing the 3rd. I hope you don't believe Madara is faster then 3rd Raikage

Being in motion doesn't matter. If he was fast enough to evade he would have evaded, but no. Even with enhanced reflexes and Sage Sensing along with the ability to sense danger.....(Basically he has something like Sharingan pre cog but not with his eyes) he still couldn't evade Madara.

Lol

3rd couldn't blitz Naruto, in fact, Naruto was able to react to and evade his strike at the last second.

Madara blitzed Naruto.

Who do you think is faster? The guy who blitzed Naruto or the one who failed to do so?

:| SM Naruto isn't even a fast character to begin with.

:| Not even sure if serious.

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Ok. Kabuto equaled with Itachi's speed in their fight (which Itachi has excellent Speed feats and a perfect 5 in Speed on Kishimoto book)

That's where you fail. Madara is much faster than Itachi considering SM Naruto couldn't evade his blitz, so equating Kabuto's speed to him doesn't not help your argument, in fact it destroys this part of it.

His speed almost made Uchiha lose track on his location[

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] and even planted a jutsu they weren't aware of yet [

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]. All that with the state of mind to capture.

Scan 1 doesn't show them losing, or almost losing track of his location.

Scan 2 isn't even related to movement speed.

All in all, none of this proves your point.

The Sound doesn't stay in the direction it is being directed once. Especially with a character who can transport himself places underground.

Whatever direction Kabuto is facing is whatever direction the sound will go, all Madara has to do is swing his blade toward Kabuto and the Sound Genjutsu is as good as countered. If he changes his position, Madara does the same.

That's pretty odd resolve if the victim is technically immune to melee attacks. Madara would exhaust himself eventually. Actually, that's pretty bad resolve I have to say.

Madara can fight for a whole day, fatigue is literally no issue for him. If a slash scatters his fluids miles across the landscape, he can't reform so he can't fight, so he loses.

Not to mention a nice Juubi sized Katon would evaporate him when he enters his liquid form to survive Susanoo's attack anyway.

Also, since when was Hakugeki physical? With evidence of that, Madara is not laying a single finger.[/font][/indent]

What does Hakugeki being physical have to do with it?

You should of made a rebuttal anyway..

-You can easily counter Manda II scaling
-Concerning Kabuto Sand control being inferior to Gaara's.

I can make an argument on how broken Manda II can be with evidence but I rather not rustle their jimmies.

Anything you have about Manda II being a factor in a fight against PS is most likely flawed anyway.

I'm on mobile, I'll make rebuttal later. Kabuto's sand though, isn't being controlled with chakra KG65. Lol

Make it then.​

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Lol Good thing I never said it was. In fact Good thing I even stated that it wasn't.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Being in motion doesn't matter. If he was fast enough to evade he would have evaded, but no. Even with enhanced reflexes and Sage Sensing along with the ability to sense danger.....(Basically he has something like Sharingan pre cog but not with his eyes) he still couldn't evade Madara.

Lol

3rd couldn't blitz Naruto, in fact, Naruto was able to react to and evade his strike at the last second.

Madara blitzed Naruto.

Who do you think is faster? The guy who blitzed Naruto or the one who failed to do so?




:| Not even sure if serious.

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That's where you fail. Madara is much faster than Itachi considering SM Naruto couldn't evade his blitz, so equating Kabuto's speed to him doesn't not help your argument, in fact it destroys this part of it.



Scan 1 doesn't show them losing, or almost losing track of his location.

Scan 2 isn't even related to movement speed.

All in all, none of this proves your point.





Whatever direction Kabuto is facing is whatever direction the sound will go, all Madara has to do is swing his blade toward Kabuto and the Sound Genjutsu is as good as countered. If he changes his position, Madara does the same.



Madara can fight for a whole day, fatigue is literally no issue for him. If a slash scatters his fluids miles across the landscape, he can't reform so he can't fight, so he loses.

Not to mention a nice Juubi sized Katon would evaporate him when he enters his liquid form to survive Susanoo's attack anyway.



What does Hakugeki being physical have to do with it?



Anything you have about Manda II being a factor in a fight against PS is most likely flawed anyway.




Lol Good thing I never said it was. In fact Good thing I even stated that it wasn't.

First of all, I didn't know the chakra to liquefy needed to be active, constantly brought out? Second of all, isn't the fact that Madara being able to fight for day irrelevant? Does it matter if he even can fight for eternity when Kabuto isn't affected at all? Can Tsunade now effortlessly solo him via constant punching? No. Why? Because it's Tsunade exhausting herself, not Kabuto.

Juubi sized Katon was a feat done when linked to Juubi, had Senju DNA, as Edo corpse and Rinnegan. Now can you honestly claim these were zero, non and irrelevant factors? I didn't think so either.

Hakugeki wasn't meant at you.​

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[KidGamer65]

First of all, I didn't know the chakra to liquefy needed to be active, constantly brought out? Second of all, isn't the fact that Madara being able to fight for day irrelevant? Does it matter if he even can fight for eternity when Kabuto isn't affected at all? Can Tsunade now effortlessly solo him via constant punching? No. Why? Because it's Tsunade exhausting herself, not Kabuto.​

Yes, it does. Otherwise

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wouldn't be possible.

I never said that he was going to fight for eternity, 1 slash is all that's needed to end this fight. You are the one who assumed I said that.

Juubi sized Katon was a feat done when linked to Juubi, had Senju DNA, as Edo corpse and Rinnegan. Now can you honestly claim these were zero, non and irrelevant factors? I didn't think so either.

Are we really going to sink this low to try and prove this wrong?

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linked to the Juubi. Even if he was, it doesn't increase the scale of your jutsu unless they are being used through the Juubi itself.

-Senju DNA doesn't increase the scale of your jutsu.

-Rinnegan does't increase the scale of your jutsu either.

-Edo doesn't increase the scale of techniques either.

I really hope this isn't the best you got.​

 

[shelke]

@EJBlack

What are you getting at, anyway? It's speculation that Kabuto can even use both of them simultaneously, far-fetched speculation actually. White Rage is dealt with through Magatama striking the orb, nullifying it completely. IT is tanked via Susano'o. There goes Kabuto's second attack that would actually make a difference. Madara can even close the gap and take him on in a CQC battle. If Sasuke was able to pin him with a Katana then Madara is no different. His sickle based attacks would make a short work of him. If he liquifies, Madara can simply use Katon Extermination or Destruction to deal with him. He can also - instead of engaging in CQC - pull out a PS right off the bat. One or two slashes kill the guy.

It's just that simple.

 

[slimreaper]

@kidgamer65

now give an actual speed feat for SM naruto.

because naruto moves off panel, we can't tell when he starts. he could have sensed the attack and left well before it started. KCM naruto would have trouble making it in the time you suggest

 

[Bogard]

Concerning Kabuto's regenerative abilities, it takes time. You could notice that

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from Sasuke's kusanagi sword on the head of the snake before it actually regenerated,

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. Notice that

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, Kabuto was blocked and his movements was restricted, only on

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did he finally escape in time thanks by liquefying. So Kabuto is still solid. Only after some times, can he regenerate. But he can get killed before regeneration

 

[UchihaNagashi]

I'll reply to the first post for now.

lol, here we go with the massive Kabuto wank.

Madara shits on him. Point, blank, period.


Smh....do you even realize how large Perfect Susanoo is?

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Those gates are around the

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, and Killer B in Hachibi Mode is just

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.

You really think sand, that will be weaker than Gaara's since it lacks the chakra inside it to enhance it, will restrain it? Or move it? lmao, not even sure if serious, What will Madara be doing while this happens anyway? Sucking his thumbs? lmao. 1 slash renders this whole method completely useless.


lol, don't know where you got your measurements from, but I see no evidence supporting them. Your little scenario here depicts Madara doing nothing while a giant snake approaches him and tries to wrap around his Susanoo until its already made him fall. Let me tell you what would really happen, cause this nonsense makes no sense.

-Manda II approaches PS.

-PS swings its blade and Manda II dies, Kabuto dies if he doesn't enter liquid form, but his liquids get scattered all across the landscape like DA stated.



So, Madara doesn't reactivate Perfect Susanoo while Kabuto is tying him up with webs? Smh.......:|

All your arguments in this post rely on Madara doing nothing or doing nothing until its too late.



Not seeing any kind of evidence that allows him to do such a thing, in fact all I see is you giving him Hashirama's feats, especially when Hashirama is the one who can keep up with someone fast enough to blitz SM Naruto. Kabuto's speed is meh in comparison.



Then Madara swings his blade and deflects Kabuto Sound Genjutsu along with wiping him off the face of the map.

1) Manda

You don't seem to know Manda's size yourself? I'll borrow a post from HiddenSound:

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IN SIZE.
Or at the very least just as large as any of them.​

See here,

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Notice his size compared to the spikes.

Now look at the Hachibi, who is just as large as any Bijuu.

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Manda II really is colossal Lol
This information came to me from Daikodan, who was informed of this by Prince Charles.

How big is PS? Roughly the size of a mountain.

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How big is Hachibi? Roughly the size of a mountain [

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]. How big is the second Manda? Much bigger than Hachibi.

Saying PS is a lot bigger than Manda, is pure fanfiction. Where did you get your measurements, or did you just flip the number out of your head? Even Aoda dwarfs V3.

The slash is prevented by going underground.

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2) Muki Tensei

Good one, if the sand wasn't under the PS's feet. Is he going to bust his own armor? Good luck with that. Keep note of the terrain, it's all sand. Even if the sand isn't inside the PS, there's no way he evades it unless he flies up from the ground.

Not to mention, who said it's going to be significantly weaker than Gaara's? There's no need for chakra, if he's using life force, especially if he has some from the Uzumaki. Not to mention, Kabuto effortlessly molded the whole cave, broke even a Susano'o armor with the spikes [x].

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Not to mention, your speed degrading of Kabuto is funny. Are you sure about that, when Madara wasn't able to evade Tsunade while Kabuto was the third ninja in the manga, who has perfectly evaded Amaterasu with speed and pre-cognition?

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Also, there won't be slash coming to him if he activates Hakugeki. Sharingan sees chakra, rendering him blind to the chakra and unable to spot where Kabuto is. Hakugeki is made with chakra, and the light is immense so he'll be blindfold fighting, while the cornea of Manda prevents him from seeing the light and it can attack the PS freely.

Madara would then struggle with the snake, or just cut it down, does it matter? By seeing the size of it, Manda should be able to bring it down, so low that he hears the screetching noise.

'Madara won't do anything at this moment'?

He can't, what's the point of Hakugeki then if he could? The way I see it, he would have to deactivate Susano'o or it would deactivate it itself. Kabuto doesn't still really give a damn about Hakugeki and can do as he pleases.

Note: There won't be any Sound Genjutsu. Also, the Katon attack is with Senju DNA, Rinnegan and as Edo Tensei. You can't use it as Madara's feat, since we don't know the chakra tax of it nor how these factors affected the jutsu usage. Or even did he use the feat when having only EMS.​

 

[Inert Brian]

Tayuya's genjutsu ends this fight before Madara decides to pull out PS.

 

[Bogard]

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Not to mention, your speed degrading of Kabuto is funny. Are you sure about that, when Madara wasn't able to evade Tsunade while Kabuto was the third ninja in the manga, who has perfectly evaded Amaterasu with speed and pre-cognition?

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Not trying to enter your debate but i never understood this part. I've seen many people saying this but i don't see Kabuto evading Amaterasu here for some reasons :|

 

[Shura]

I agree with Bogard for the first time on this one. Check your scan again and then check the full scan and the scan after that. I don't know how the hell did you come to the conclusion that Kabuto evaded Amaterasu.

@On-Topic. Madara medium difficulty at most.​

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Not trying to enter your debate but i never understood this part. I've seen many people saying this but i don't see Kabuto evading Amaterasu here for some reasons :|

Then who was Sasuke targeting at that sca, if I may ask?​

 

[Bronze]

@UchihaNagashi: Perfect Susanoo is a lot bigger than Manda and Bijuu excluding Juubi. Half of its unstabalized version was the size of 100% Kurama.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Silly thread as usual. Ems Madara would win in every aspect.

 

[shelke]

Then who was Sasuke targeting at that sca, if I may ask?

Sasuke was not targeting Kabuto. He spawned Amaterasu in front of his foot to save Itachi as Kabuto lunged at him to rewrite the Fuda in his head. Kabuto clearly mentions that Sasuke used that Amaterasu to defend himself.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Time to break Manda II and Kabuto in general brb.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

@UchihaNagashi: Perfect Susanoo is a lot bigger than Manda and Bijuu excluding Juubi. Half of its unstabalized version was the size of 100% Kurama.

A V3 Susano'o of Sasuke was as big as half of Kurama. Is Sasuke's one smaller then?

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