DRSM Madara VS Teen Sasuke

[MadaraReturns]

damnit dudes.. you guys are underestemating madara SO much.. compare sasuke who got better in a couple of hours (first moments with his rinnegan till fight with naruto), madara seriously NEVER showed his real capability with his 2 RINNEGAN and 1 SHARINNEGAN..

NO ONE EVER had the 3 strongest eyes ever before.. he had the tailed beasts and shinju, and he's the only person ever next to hagoromo who had the original eyes of God, but the difference is that madara had also shinju's eye, the eye that is responsible for kaguya and sasuke their hypes.

how the **** can you even DARE to think that madara who NEVER showed his real power while having his 3 eyes can lose to sasuke?! its not only about feats dudes, if its all about feats then kiba gg's hamura.

It's not only because i'm a madara fan, but it's because i know alot about naruto that i say and am 100% sure that madara is the strongest ever in naruto.

 

[Bronze]

The stupidity in this thread is unreal.

First - Sasuke doesn't have more Rikudou Chakra than Rinnegan Madara does. The fact of the matter is, Indra's & Ashura's Chakra within Madara, after merged together, adapted constantly. As seen by Karin, she didn't know it was Kabuto despite sensing, which Orochimaru explains that Kabuto's Chakra changed after implanting other people's Chakra on top of his. [

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] Since genetics and Chakra are practically the same thing, adoption of biology would completely apply. Madara took Hashirama's genetics into his body at his 20s approx. He awakened the Rinnegan at his old age, assuming 80s. This means there is 60 years for Madara's Chakra to adapt to Hagoromo's Chakra quickly, which results the awakening of the Rinnegan. [

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] The Rinnegan of Hagoromo's wouldn't awake if Madara's Chakra hadn't became the same as Hagoromo's in quality and quantity. Therefore, Madara's Rikudou Chakra completely dwarfs Sasuke's Rikudou Chakra in power and amount. Since it's much stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke's, the results of Madara's PS, Rinnegan techniques, Senjutsu are all twice greater than Sasuke's use.

Secondly - Limbo counters Amenotejikara. Reaction time is the brain visualizing and processing an event in short amount of time; and in Madara's case, he mentally completed his sentence while Sasuke was teleporting; a form of reaction time. However, last time Sasuke bisected him was because Madara had no intention to stop Sasuke's blitz, since his plan was to get his second Rinnegan back, and added he's immortal. He literally had no reason to stop Sasuke's attack, just like how he had no reason to stop Gai's Nigh Guy. He's taking advantage of Juubi's power inside of him. We also know his Limbo was held by Naruto, and his Gududama were teleported by Minato. This time, Limbo is there to stop Sasuke's Amenotejikara. Sasuke tries to teleport, Madara senses him and activates Limbo to intercept him. [

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] Pretty much a counter like FTG.

Thirdly - Madara has the full power of the Rinnegan, thus stronger in power and size than Sasuke's Rinnegan techniques. Madara has Senjutsu on top of his Rinnegan. He wins no higher than medium difficulty.

 

[KidGamer65]

damnit dudes.. you guys are underestemating madara SO much.. compare sasuke who got better in a couple of hours (first moments with his rinnegan till fight with naruto), madara seriously NEVER showed his real capability with his 2 RINNEGAN and 1 SHARINNEGAN..

Who cares? This isn't JJ Madara.

NO ONE EVER had the 3 strongest eyes ever before.. he had the tailed beasts and shinju, and he's the only person ever next to hagoromo who had the original eyes of God, but the difference is that madara had also shinju's eye, the eye that is responsible for kaguya and sasuke their hypes.

Who cares? This isn't JJ Madara.

how the **** can you even DARE to think that madara who NEVER showed his real power while having his 3 eyes can lose to sasuke?! its not only about feats dudes, if its all about feats then kiba gg's hamura.

It's not only about feats, its about feats, hype and portrayal, and Madara fans are notorious for being unable to prove their claims with sufficient evidence. If you think Full Power Madara>Full Power Sasuke, then prove it. "Ah, he didn't show his full power so he's stronger" isn't any kind of argument, at all.

It's not only because i'm a madara fan, but it's because i know alot about naruto that i say and am 100% sure that madara is the strongest ever in naruto.

If you know a lot about Naruto, then you wouldn't be stupid enough to claim that Madara is the strongest ever when Hagoromo and especially Kaguya are characters in this manga.

It's because you are a Madara fan, nothing more, nothing less.

Your opinion is backed by nothing as well. I don't like to waste time, so I'm just going to explain very clearly why Madara wins.

All my points are backed my manga panels. Sorry if you can't deal with that.

He is smarter.

Irrelevant, there is no gap in their intelligence that will lead to him winning. Hell, pretty sure Madara was the one wanking Sasuke's analytic capabilities.

He has more experience.

Hmm, didn't save him in the manga. Two people who have nowhere near the amount of experience as him punked him.

He is more proficient with the Rinnegan(can use multiple paths at once, such as Nagato).

Every Rinnegan user can do this.

He is stronger physically.

Didn't save him in the manga. His strength is irrelevant as hell unless it'll matter against Susanoo. Which it won't, since Naruto's physical strength was worthless against Susanoo, and Naruto>Madara when it comes to physiscal abilities.

He can sense danger and is naturally a sensor type.

Yet Sasuke still blitzed him.

He has the wood-style, which single handedly was able to make Hashirama named "God of Shinobi".

Lol, doesn't mean much considering Hashirama is fodder to Sasuke at this point.

Madara's chakra itself is very, very similar to Hagoromo's. Not that he has the same amount as Hagoromo. Madara no more retains the chakra he had in his first life. Sasuke as of this fight, does not have his own chakra, as he was depleted after near-death. Hagoromo did not have as much chakra as he did when he was a host, or alive. Before he died, he extracted the beasts from himself. He would only have that much if you're implying that there is another copy of each beast. At most, he'd have as much as regular Hagoromo, but a bit less because he's just a spirit.

Bold: Zero proof for this shit. Not to mention this is TEEN Sasuke, as in Sasuke at his strongest when he was a teen, as in Sasuke w/Hagoromo's power.


Hagoromo had his Gudo Dama, only granted if you are a Juubi Jin. So this must have kept all of his original power via undisclosed methods. Either way, Regular Hagoromo's chakra>>>>>Rinnegan Madara's chakra.

The Perfect Susano'o is the same globally. I believe Indra, Sasuke, Madara, and Kakashi all had the same in size and power, which is why I stated so in the thread. This is especially true when Sasuke doesn't have access to the tailed beasts.

Good thing you stated that, because anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass knows this is false.

Sasuke's teleportation is fast, but dodge-able. Madara's eyes allow him to predict movements, something neither Naruto or Kaguya had, and he has Hashirama's Sage Mode, which grants him the ability to sense danger and involuntarily react. He easily reacted to both Tobirama and Minato. He can to Sasuke as well.

JJ Madara canonically got blitzed by Rinnegan Sasuke, twice. There is no debate on this point. Sasuke shits on this clown.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

It is time for the Madara wank to stop. There is no way in hell a non juubi jin Madara is beating Sasuke. None at all. Accept the fact and move on. I am not even sure why this thread is still going on...

 

[MadaraReturns]

Who cares? This isn't JJ Madara.


Who cares? This isn't JJ Madara.


It's not only about feats, its about feats, hype and portrayal, and Madara fans are notorious for being unable to prove their claims with sufficient evidence. If you think Full Power Madara>Full Power Sasuke, then prove it. "Ah, he didn't show his full power so he's stronger" isn't any kind of argument, at all.



If you know a lot about Naruto, then you wouldn't be stupid enough to claim that Madara is the strongest ever when Hagoromo and especially Kaguya are characters in this manga.

It's because you are a Madara fan, nothing more, nothing less.

no, it isn't.. sure i would feel bad if someone beat madara's strongest form 1 on 1 fairly.. i wanted to quit manga a while after madara was gone and wasnt returning.. but i would admit if someone was stronger.

can you prove that sasuke beats madara?

he's immortal, has more chakra has 3 rinnegan is better in tai, gen and ninjutsu. he's immortal and can regenerate, he can use susanoo which would be alot stronger than sasuke's. what can sasuke possibly do to him? indra's arrow??

 

[KidGamer65]

no, it isn't.. sure i would feel bad if someone beat madara's strongest form 1 on 1 fairly.. i wanted to quit manga a while after madara was gone and wasnt returning.. but i would admit if someone was stronger.

Obviously not. Feats, hype and portrayal put Kaguya far above Madara, yet you, and dozens of other clowns think that Madara is stronger.

can you prove that sasuke beats madara?

-He takes it by feats, that much is proven.

-He's hyped to be on Hagoromo's level. He's gotten half of Hagoromo's power and then took the 9 Bijuu, pushing him close to 100%. Madara has no hype that puts him on Hagoromo's level, and definitely no feats.

-No portrayal puts Madara above FP Sasuke.

So, how does Madara win?

he's immortal, has more chakra has 3 rinnegan is better in tai, gen and ninjutsu. he's immortal and can regenerate, he can use susanoo which would be alot stronger than sasuke's. what can sasuke possibly do to him? indra's arrow??

It's funny, all you guys can do is break down individual advantages because when we combine all that together for both characters, where it matters, Madara is lacking.

-Immortal? Irrelevant. Only means that Sasuke can't finish him, not that Sasuke is weaker.

-More chakra? Irrelevant. Hashirama's chakra reserves>>Madara's, yet Madara fights on par with him. Sasuke has half of Hagoromo's chakra and 9 Bijuu, chakra is not an issue. Not when you have power.

-Taijutsu? Irrelevant.

-Genjutsu? Irrelevant considering all forms of it are useless.

-Ninjutsu? Irrelevant considering his "mastery in Ninjutsu" isn't going to help him, not against Sasuke, or anyone else on Sasuke's level.

-Lol? Madara has a Susanoo powered by his Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra, the Juubi's power. Sasuke has one powered by Hagoromo's Yin Chakra. Madara's Susanoo should be stronger since it was stronger before, but there is literally nothing but begins to support it being much better. Add the 9 Bijuu he took in his fight with Naruto, and his Susanoo rises from being around Madara's Level (But noticeably below) to being far above it. FP Sasuke's Susanoo wrecks Madara's Susanoo.

 

[MadaraReturns]

Obviously not. Feats, hype and portrayal put Kaguya far above Madara, yet you, and dozens of other clowns think that Madara is stronger.


-He takes it by feats, that much is proven.

-He's hyped to be on Hagoromo's level. He's gotten half of Hagoromo's power and then took the 9 Bijuu, pushing him close to 100%. Madara has no hype that puts him on Hagoromo's level, and definitely no feats.

-No portrayal puts Madara above FP Sasuke.

So, how does Madara win?



It's funny, all you guys can do is break down individual advantages because when we combine all that together for both characters, where it matters, Madara is lacking.

-Immortal? Irrelevant. Only means that Sasuke can't finish him, not that Sasuke is weaker.

-More chakra? Irrelevant. Hashirama's chakra reserves>>Madara's, yet Madara fights on par with him. Sasuke has half of Hagoromo's chakra and 9 Bijuu, chakra is not an issue. Not when you have power.

-Taijutsu? Irrelevant.

-Genjutsu? Irrelevant considering all forms of it are useless.

-Ninjutsu? Irrelevant considering his "mastery in Ninjutsu" isn't going to help him, not against Sasuke, or anyone else on Sasuke's level.

-Lol? Madara has a Susanoo powered by his Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra, the Juubi's power. Sasuke has one powered by Hagoromo's Yin Chakra. Madara's Susanoo should be stronger since it was stronger before, but there is literally nothing but begins to support it being much better. Add the 9 Bijuu he took in his fight with Naruto, and his Susanoo rises from being around Madara's Level (But noticeably below) to being far above it. FP Sasuke's Susanoo wrecks Madara's Susanoo.

you gotta be joking, if every aspect possible is irrelevant, then what gives sasuke the advantage? madara is literaly better in everything and would beat him one on one, thats what his thread is about so why are you acting like we're talking about stronger and not beating? and LOL sasuke's susanoo wrecks madara's? are you sure that you're not the one who's fanning now?

literally a rasengan was needed to take sasuke's arm and make him unable to fight.

again: you literally said to everything that one can use in battle is irrelevant, so what is relevant, a staredown?

 

[KidGamer65]

you gotta be joking, if every aspect possible is irrelevant, then what gives sasuke the advantage? madara is literaly better in everything and would beat him one on one, thats what his thread is about so why are you acting like we're talking about stronger and not beating? and LOL sasuke's susanoo wrecks madara's? are you sure that you're not the one who's fanning now?

Sasuke holds more power, that is it. That is all that is relevant. I don't how hard it is for you to understand this? You pretty much listed everything you could find that wasn't relevant to ranking their actual strength, nor was it even everything relevant to a battle.

-Speed? Sasuke is superior due to Amenotjikara.

-Strength? (Melee) Sasuke is superior via Susanoo.

-Defense? Sasuke is superior via Susanoo.

-Offensive Power? Sasuke is superior due to Susanoo.

-Tactics? Madara was wanking Sasuke on this front.

@bold:Yes, it does. When you can prove me wrong, we'll talk.

literally a rasengan was needed to take sasuke's arm and make him unable to fight.

Yeah, after Naruto made the Asura Avatar and took in the planet's Nature Energy. Not as bad as Madara getting blitzed multiple times though. Lol.

And then this just takes us back to my original statement. Madara fans are notorious for claiming stuff, but then never being able to back it up with manga proof.

Why is Madara the strongest in the manga?

Why does Madara beat Sasuke?

No proof at all. All I get is "Rasengan took Sasuke out of the fight" Lmao. That one statement is all I need to gouge your intelligence.

 

[MadaraReturns]

Sasuke holds more power, that is it. That is all that is relevant. I don't how hard it is for you to understand this? You pretty much listed everything you could find that wasn't relevant to ranking their actual strength, nor was it even everything relevant to a battle.

-Speed? Sasuke is superior due to Amenotjikara.

-Strength? (Melee) Sasuke is superior via Susanoo.

-Defense? Sasuke is superior via Susanoo.

-Offensive Power? Sasuke is superior due to Susanoo.

-Tactics? Madara was wanking Sasuke on this front.

@bold:Yes, it does. When you can prove me wrong, we'll talk.

so just to be sure, madara had most of the tailed beasts too, right, so we'll put them aside.

madara absorbed shinju, plus juubi (minus the tailed beasts their chakra because we put them aside so gedo mazo) plus hashirama and his chakra.

so you're thinking madara with aaall that doesnt have more chakra than sasuke with harogomo's half? having said that, not only would madara had a better susanoo because of his chakra, but it also would've been powered up by 3 rinnegan..

Yeah, after Naruto made the Asura Avatar and took in the planet's Nature Energy. Not as bad as Madara getting blitzed multiple times though. Lol.

And then this just takes us back to my original statement. Madara fans are notorious for claiming stuff, but then never being able to back it up with manga proof.

Why is Madara the strongest in the manga?

Why does Madara beat Sasuke?

No proof at all. All I get is "Rasengan took Sasuke out of the fight" Lmao. That one statement is all I need to gouge your intelligence.

of course we can't. back it up with alot of proof, because madara never fought serious when he was in his strongest form.

sasuke's indra arrow wouldn't do much because of madara's devensive powers, susanoo would've been enough, even if he still wouldve got hurt he would just regenerate. kaguya and naruto both blocked/dodged sasuke's rinneshit.

about sasuke being faster: if you had a little bit of common sense you, you would know that madara just took the slice of sasuke.
he saw sasuke arriving and even turned his head and had the time to think about sasuke being fast and stuff.. so why do you think that he couldn't just had gotten intangible?

he could. he just didn't care because he wanted to play safe and get away while he could before naruto would also arrive..

madara had the power to kill sasuke, only thing is that i don't know what his 3 rinnegan could do exactly.

susanoo would still chop sasuke tho.

nothing that sasuke has could kill madara, but madara's susanoo alone should be enough for the win.

 

[KidGamer65]

so just to be sure, madara had most of the tailed beasts too, right, so we'll put them aside.

Sure, Madara has the Bijuu, but that manifests as his Rikudo Senjutsu and the associated abilities, which have already been taken into account, Sasuke has the Bijuu, and they are directly stuffed into his Susanoo, giving it a massive boost.

madara absorbed shinju, plus juubi (minus the tailed beasts their chakra because we put them aside so gedo mazo) plus hashirama and his chakra.

Ok.

so you're thinking madara with aaall that doesnt have more chakra than sasuke with harogomo's half? having said that, not only would madara had a better susanoo because of his chakra, but it also would've been powered up by 3 rinnegan..

Never said that he doesn't have more chakra than Sasuke. More chakra does not equal a better Susanoo though, don't know where that came from, and eyes don't make Susanoo stronger, chakra is what makes Susanoo stronger, doesn't mean much considering the standard needed to use PS is both eyes.

of course we can't. back it up with alot of proof, because madara never fought serious when he was in his strongest form.

sasuke's indra arrow wouldn't do much because of madara's devensive powers, susanoo would've been enough, even if he still wouldve got hurt he would just regenerate. kaguya and naruto both blocked/dodged sasuke's rinneshit.

Madara has no defensive power that can tank Indra's Arrow. His Susanoo gets obliterated and he gets turned to nothing, only to regenerate. Proving that Sasuke is stronger, as he can overpower him, but proving that Sasuke can't finish him off, which is something I already agree with.

Kaguya and Naruto are not Madara, nor is there proof that Madara is as fast as them, on the contrary, Naruto and Kaguya have better speed feats, while Madara got blitzed by Sasuke's Rinne Shift.

about sasuke being faster: if you had a little bit of common sense you, you would know that madara just took the slice of sasuke.
he saw sasuke arriving and even turned his head and had the time to think about sasuke being fast and stuff.. so why do you think that he couldn't just had gotten intangible?

If you had a little bit of common sense, you would know I was referring to his teleportation, hell. If you read before you posted you would know why I was talking about his teleportation.

madara had the power to kill sasuke, only thing is that i don't know what his 3 rinnegan could do exactly.

Yet you have failed to show how Madara has the power to kill Sasuke.

susanoo would still chop sasuke tho.

Uh? No. Nothing at all points to Madara's Susanoo being stronger, nothing at all.

nothing that sasuke has could kill madara, but madara's susanoo alone should be enough for the win.

Sasuke doesn't need to kill Madara to prove that he is stronger, nor is Madara's Susanoo strong enough to even challenge Sasuke's let alone defeat it. Madara can't beat Sasuke down, all he can do is outlast him due to immortality.

 

[Jaeger]

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More chakra = better Susanoo. PS needing both eyes = myth.

 

[KidGamer65]

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More chakra = better Susanoo.

If only anything in the manga pointed to that. If only that even made sense.

PS needing both eyes = myth.

Madara; "You need both eyes to bring out their true power"

Madara: "I shall now show you the full power of Uchiha Madara" "Perfect Susanoo"

Myth? Obviously not. Fact? Most definitely.

 

[Jaeger]

If only anything in the manga pointed to that. If only that even made sense.

Even though Sasuke used 9 beasts to power his to max? And don't say quality affected because 9 beasts only have high level of chakra not quality.

Madara; "You need both eyes to bring out their true power"

Madara: "I shall now show you the full power of Uchiha Madara" "Perfect Susanoo"

Myth? Obviously not. Fact? Most definitely.

"No... I was talking about Rinnegan"

Debunked there.

 

[KidGamer65]

Even though Sasuke used 9 beasts to power his to max? And don't say quality affected because 9 beasts only have high level of chakra not quality.

Uh...Lol. Bijuu don't have quality when it comes to chakra? Everything has some kind of quality, and the Bijuu have some of the strongest chakra to ever exist. The combination of their chakra is the Juubi, Sasuke merged their chakra (Juubi's Chakra) and instead of stuffing it in the Mazo, he stuffed it into Susanoo.

"No... I was talking about Rinnegan"

Debunked there.

Uh, no.

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Two completely unrelated statements.

 

[Jaeger]

Uh...Lol. Bijuu don't have quality when it comes to chakra? Everything has some kind of quality, and the Bijuu have some of the strongest chakra to ever exist. The combination of their chakra is the Juubi, Sasuke merged their chakra (Juubi's Chakra) and instead of stuffing it in the Mazo, he stuffed it into Susanoo.

Bijuu's chakra are known for their quantity and the fact that they carry hatred.

Uh, no.

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"You said that Sharingan shows it's true power when paired"

"Not Sharingan... but Rinnegan"

Yes. Completely unrelated.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bijuu's chakra are known for their quantity and the fact that they carry hatred.

And quality as the manga has shown by Kurama (A portion of it made Kamui 3x stronger), and especially, the Juubi. Unless the strength of the Juubi's chakra is nothing now?

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"You said that Sharingan shows it's true power when paired"

"Not Sharingan... but Rinnegan"

Yes. Completely unrelated.

Epic Fail #3.

Obito said that both Sharingan show their true power when they together, as per Madara's words. Then Madara says No, Its a Rinnegan, not a Sharingan, correcting Obito's statement, thinking that he meant to refer to the Rinnegan as Madara stated prior to that "I'll get back everything I left you, especially that left eye". (Rinnegan, not specified though) Obito says Sharingan, Madara thinks that he is referring to the left eye as Sharingan, hence he said "No It's a Rinnegan, not a Sharingan"

I mean come on now, let's use common sense. Madara explicitly states that he's lacking a second Sharingan, and goes on to say that with both eyes, the true power is revealed, yet you are actually debating whether or not he was referring to Rinnegan?

 

[Jaeger]

And quality as the manga has shown by Kurama (A portion of it made Kamui 3x stronger), and especially, the Juubi. Unless the strength of the Juubi's chakra is nothing now?

Strength? Since when did it have strength? It has quantity. Difference is when you are Jinchuuriki and have Senjutsu. Otherwise it's just chakra.

Epic Fail #3.

Obito said that both Sharingan show their true power when they together, as per Madara's words. Then Madara says No, Its a Rinnegan, not a Sharingan, correcting Obito's statement, thinking that he meant to refer to the Rinnegan as Madara stated prior to that "I'll get back everything I left you, especially that left eye". (Rinnegan, not specified though) Obito says Sharingan, Madara thinks that he is referring to the left eye as Sharingan, hence he said "No It's a Rinnegan, not a Sharingan"

I mean come on now, let's use common sense. Madara explicitly states that he's lacking a second Sharingan, and goes on to say that with both eyes, the true power is revealed, yet you are actually debating whether or not he was referring to Rinnegan?

Ey, damn it. Don't twist the words. Obviously Madara rewinded back to that scene and remembered what Obito was talking about. Madara never referred to his Sharingan but Rinnegan. It doesn't even make sense for what you are saying. Madara was attempting to steal Obito's eyes. Obito noticed him having a different Sharingan. Why on earth would Madara take different pair of eyes? Doesn't make sense.

Common sense is not needed Madara stated all required to state.

 

[MadaraReturns]

Sure, Madara has the Bijuu, but that manifests as his Rikudo Senjutsu and the associated abilities, which have already been taken into account, Sasuke has the Bijuu, and they are directly stuffed into his Susanoo, giving it a massive boost.

what a bullshit, as if madara's 'rikudo senjutsu' isn't madara's chakra, susanoo is formed from one's chakra so i don't get your point. madara's chakra is the tailed beasts plus the rest so idk why that wouldn't directly stuff the tailed beasts their chakra into susanoo?

Never said that he doesn't have more chakra than Sasuke. More chakra does not equal a better Susanoo though, don't know where that came from, and eyes don't make Susanoo stronger, chakra is what makes Susanoo stronger, doesn't mean much considering the standard needed to use PS is both eyes.

its the mix of more chakra and better eyes/chakra that make madara's suasnoo better, if you want to be proven wrong on your statement that eyes don't make a susanoo stronger: kakashi's susanoo could use kamui shurikens, a feat of obito's sharingan.

Madara has no defensive power that can tank Indra's Arrow. His Susanoo gets obliterated and he gets turned to nothing, only to regenerate. Proving that Sasuke is stronger, as he can overpower him, but proving that Sasuke can't finish him off, which is something I already agree with.

so he's not stronger as he doesnt win the battle. if we'd go by what you say his offense would be stronger yeah (tho it isnt)

Kaguya and Naruto are not Madara, nor is there proof that Madara is as fast as them, on the contrary, Naruto and Kaguya have better speed feats, while Madara got blitzed by Sasuke's Rinne Shift.


If you had a little bit of common sense, you would know I was referring to his teleportation, hell. If you read before you posted you would know why I was talking about his teleportation.

i think you didn't read that part correctly. i was also referring to the rinneshift that madara took on purpose.

Yet you have failed to show how Madara has the power to kill Sasuke.

eye power (3 eyes) plus more/better chakra than sasuke.

Uh? No. Nothing at all points to Madara's Susanoo being stronger, nothing at all.

look above, the red marked stuff i said.

Sasuke doesn't need to kill Madara to prove that he is stronger, nor is Madara's Susanoo strong enough to even challenge Sasuke's let alone defeat it. Madara can't beat Sasuke down, all he can do is outlast him due to immortality.

yeah does that change the fact that he still would win? (tho he could kill sasuke)

 

[KidGamer65]

Strength? Since when did it have strength? It has quantity. Difference is when you are Jinchuuriki and have Senjutsu. Otherwise it's just chakra.

Lol, and what powers the Jinchuuriki? Oh wait, I know. The chakra of the Bijuu. I've already given an example of the chakra of Bijuu having strength.

And what do you mean "just chakra"? Are you even reading what you are posting? All Chakra has strength, some more than others. There is no "Just Chakra", that is just chakra.

Ey, damn it. Don't twist the words. Obviously Madara rewinded back to that scene and remembered what Obito was talking about.

Based on what exactly? Oh wait, nothing, because I already gave you the correct interpretation of that scan. Its not a Sharingan, its a Rinnegan, means he was referring to whatever eye Obito was referring to, which he thought was a Sharingan, as shown by my explanation.

If he was flashing back to that time, then he'd be saying "No, not a Sharingan, but a Rinnegan". The "It's" completely changes the meaning.

Madara never referred to his Sharingan but Rinnegan.

-Had a Sharingan.

-Says he was referring to Rinnegan.

Lol

It doesn't even make sense for what you are saying. Madara was attempting to steal Obito's eyes. Obito noticed him having a different Sharingan. Why on earth would Madara take different pair of eyes? Doesn't make sense.

Go ask Madara, not me. What you are arguing obviously makes no sense. Pretty sad that I even have to explain this.

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-Says that his real eyes are with someone else.

-Points to his missing right eye, and says that you need both eyes to awaken their full power. The eye in context is the Sharingan. Not the Rinnegan, which was written off as "Being used by someone else" Inb4 you try and contest this, Obito asks Madara why he wants to steal his Sharingan, Madara answers his question with everything he states in the bottom right panel.

Common sense is not needed Madara stated all required to state.

-Madara says he has no right Sharingan eye.

-Madara says he needs another Sharingan eye to awaken their full potential.

-Yet you can't tell that he was talking about Sharingan.

Lol....are we even serious right now?

 

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what a bullshit, as if madara's 'rikudo senjutsu' isn't madara's chakra, susanoo is formed from one's chakra so i don't get your point. madara's chakra is the tailed beasts plus the rest so idk why that wouldn't directly stuff the tailed beasts their chakra into susanoo?

Never said that Rikudo Senjutsu isn't Madara's Chakra, nor did I imply it.

Obviously not. Obito took chakrka from Madara, and it wasn't Bijuu Chakra, it was Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra. That is what his Susanoo is going to be made of. Sasuke has Hagoromo's Yin Chakra and the Bijuu, Madara only has the Bijuu, and its still not as good as Sasuke's use of it since Sasuke put his Bijuu into the Susanoo, Madara can't do that as the Bijuu are inside him.

its the mix of more chakra and better eyes/chakra that make madara's suasnoo better, if you want to be proven wrong on your statement that eyes don't make a susanoo stronger: kakashi's susanoo could use kamui shurikens, a feat of obito's sharingan.

Please learn how to debate. There is no proof in the manga that more eyes means better Susanoo. Kakashi's Susanoo was able to use that because he can combine Kamui with his Susanoo, due to Rikudo's Power. That is Susanoo getting another weapon, that isn't Susanoo getting stronger, as in it's own stats stronger, nor is that the same as another eye ball giving Madara's Susanoo more power.

so he's not stronger as he doesnt win the battle. if we'd go by what you say his offense would be stronger yeah (tho it isnt)

Learn how to assess a character's strength. The stronger one doesn't always win as Naruto is heavily match up based. The ONLY reason he can't win is because he can't kill Madara, not because he can't overpower him. Edo Konohamaru vs. BM Naruto. BM Naruto can't kill him, by your logic he's stronger.

i think you didn't read that part correctly. i was also referring to the rinneshift that madara took on purpose.

Except Madara didn't take anything on purpose. You see, that's the problem with Madara's fans. When he gets outshined, they say he let it happen. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

eye power (3 eyes) plus more/better chakra than sasuke.

You have zero proof that Madara's chakra is better than the combination of Sasuke's Susanoo and the 9 Bijuu merged together (Juubi's) chakra. Nor do you have proof that more eyes=better Susanoo.

look above, the red marked stuff i said.

Oh I did, and it's all nonsense.

yeah does that change the fact that he still would win? (tho he could kill sasuke)

Read above.