DRSM Madara VS Teen Sasuke

[Holy God]

EMS Sasuke, not Rinnegan Sasuke. Not to mention Sasuke eventually tagged him, but nonetheless, that isn't Rinnegan Sasuke.




Then I overexaggerated. Dozens. Doesn't change the point.

I'm quite sure getting the Rinnegan isn't going to make you faster at all. Neither is Hagoromo's chakra.

It does. That means Sasuke's Susano'o can only destroy a couple mountains with one slash, not to mention he hasn't shown a real slash that comes out of the sword; he carried and sliced. Madara's could've got more than shown. The slash just was directed forward, thus only destroying a couple. He has the feats(besides the tailed beast bombs) of it covering Kurama, since Kurama can't possibly increase the power of the slash physically. Also, the Perfect Susano'o got knocked around by chakra arms. Madara's Limbo's can use Almighty Push from multiple sides which was able to push the tailed beasts.

 

[Transcendence]

I'm quite sure getting the Rinnegan isn't going to make you faster at all. Neither is Hagoromo's chakra.

It does. That means Sasuke's Susano'o can only destroy a couple mountains with one slash, not to mention he hasn't shown a real slash that comes out of the sword; he carried and sliced. Madara's could've got more than shown. The slash just was directed forward, thus only destroying a couple. He has the feats(besides the tailed beast bombs) of it covering Kurama, since Kurama can't possibly increase the power of the slash physically. Also, the Perfect Susano'o got knocked around by chakra arms. Madara's Limbo's can use Almighty Push from multiple sides which was able to push the tailed beasts. Madara, being a Holy Tree host, can also use chakra arms.

This whole point is moot since the Madara you put in the OP is Dual Rin'nean Sennin Modo, and not a Juubi Jin. You have zero proof that Limbo's can do anything besides Taijutsu, so that point is entirely incorrect as well. Try using actual manga feats and not things you make up.

 

[Holy God]

This whole point is moot since the Madara you put in the OP is Dual Rin'nean Sennin Modo, and not a Juubi Jin. You have zero proof that Limbo's can do anything besides Taijutsu, so that point is entirely incorrect as well. Try using actual manga feats and not things you make up.

Doesn't matter. I guess Madara is just physically strong enough to jump to their face and hit the tailed beasts that far? Then the clones do that.

 

[Transcendence]

Doesn't matter. I guess Madara is just physically strong enough to jump to their face and hit the tailed beasts that far? Then the clones do that.

Well considering Madara and Hashirama are some of the physically strongest in the series in pure Taijutsu (below Gai and Lee tier), adding in Hashirama's Sage Mode, which is second only to the Senjutsu of the Six Paths, it doesn't seem that far off that he could have done that to the Bijuu. Considering they can't see him, it only looked really fast, but their perception of time is jaded regardless.

Regardless, this doesn't change anything. The version of Madara you put in the OP has no chance of winning. He doesn't have Juubi Jin reactions (and even with them he was blitzed), so he gets blitzed and cut in half through Amenotejikara.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm quite sure getting the Rinnegan isn't going to make you faster at all. Neither is Hagoromo's chakra.

Sasuke blitzed JJ Madara on foot. JJ Madara called him fast, while a much slower Madara was evading EMS Sasuke. So yes, Hagoromo's chakra increases speed. Getting his chakra increased ALL of Naruto and Sasuke's physical parameters. The force of Base Naruto and Sasuke CLASHING started to crack Hashirama's statue. They traveled from the battlefield to VoTE in a matter of minutes.

It does. That means Sasuke's Susano'o can only destroy a couple mountains with one slash, not to mention he hasn't shown a real slash that comes out of the sword; he carried and sliced. Madara's could've got more than shown. The slash just was directed forward, thus only destroying a couple. He has the feats(besides the tailed beast bombs) of it covering Kurama, since Kurama can't possibly increase the power of the slash physically. Also, the Perfect Susano'o got knocked around by chakra arms. Madara's Limbo's can use Almighty Push from multiple sides which was able to push the tailed beasts. Madara, being a Holy Tree host, can also use chakra arms.

Lo,l how in the world does me exaggerating make it so that Sasuke's Susanoo only destroys a couple Mountains when the manga has already shown that he cuts meteors that dwarf Mountain Ranges, Madara only cuts a couple of Mountains. That's manga fact. Anything else from you is nothing but an assumption, a baseless one at that.

Covering Kurama has nothing to do with it being stronger than Sasuke's or not, because anyone with a working eye knows that it isn't.

Gonna need you to get me some feats of him using Kaguya's chakra arms (which are not from the Shinju, nor do you have any proof that the Shinju grants chakra arms, don't even know where that came from) and I'm gonna need feats of Limbo using anything besides Taijutsu. Limbo smacked the Bijuu around, it didn't use Ninjutsu, because as far as you know, it can't.

Besides, Rikudo Senjutsu PS>>>>>>>>>>Bijuu when it comes to sturdiness and durability. Limbo hitting PS is like me hitting a the door to a vault in the bank, it won't budge. Limbo gets raped by Susanoo, Sasuke stalemates Madara's Susanoo until his drops due to the latter having less chakra, and then he kills him with Amenotejikara and Chidori.

 

[Holy God]

Well considering Madara and Hashirama are some of the physically strongest in the series in pure Taijutsu (below Gai and Lee tier), adding in Hashirama's Sage Mode, which is second only to the Senjutsu of the Six Paths, it doesn't seem that far off that he could have done that to the Bijuu. Considering they can't see him, it only looked really fast, but their perception of time is jaded regardless.

Regardless, this doesn't change anything. The version of Madara you put in the OP has no chance of winning. He doesn't have Juubi Jin reactions (and even with them he was blitzed), so he gets blitzed and cut in half through Amenotejikara.

He doesn't need to be a host. If he's serious, he isn't getting "blitzed". Amenotejikara is not faster than FTG, therefore, avoidable. If lucky, Sasuke could get a hit in, but not a fatal one. Madara here has both the wood-style and Sage Mode, making the 1000 Hand Buhdda possible, can summon an immortal dog that can split and fly, wood-clones that can perform Susano'o, Limbo clones that have the same abilities as the original, can use multiple paths at the same time, and some more powers I may have forgotten. Only thing Sasuke has that Madara doesn't is Amaterasu and his teleportation. Madara is (according to you) able to send Sasuke flying yards far, and more accustomed to the Rinnegan.

 

[Transcendence]

He doesn't need to be a host. If he's serious, he isn't getting "blitzed". Amenotejikara is not faster than FTG, therefore, avoidable. If lucky, Sasuke could get a hit in, but not a fatal one. Madara here has both the wood-style and Sage Mode, making the 1000 Hand Buhdda possible, can summon an immortal dog that can split and fly, wood-clones that can perform Susano'o, Limbo clones that have the same abilities as the original, can use multiple paths at the same time, and some more powers I may have forgotten. Only thing Sasuke has that Madara doesn't is Amaterasu and his teleportation. Madara is (according to you) able to send Sasuke flying yards far, and more accustomed to the Rinnegan.

They're both instantaneous, but Sasuke's striking speed is far superior to any FTG user, so yes, Madara is still getting cut up. No Juubi Jin reactions means he isn't reacting in time. Your "serious" post is nothing but your own bias and goes against what that manga showed us.

None of those abilities matter as they're sliced down, cut up and laughed at by Sasuke's far superior Susano'o. Also, giving Madara Shinsenjuu is giving him yet again abilities he doesn't possess. Regardless, it won't do anything to Sasuke's PS before it's cut up.

Limbo clones only have Taijutsu, I don't know when you're going to realize this.

You give too much credit to Madara.

Sasuke has a superior PS, Amenotejikara, superior Genjutsu, access to Sharingan and Rin'negan abilities at the same time, superior speed and striking speed and Enton just to put it into perspective. Madara is not winning this.

 

[Holy God]

Sasuke blitzed JJ Madara on foot. JJ Madara called him fast, while a much slower Madara was evading EMS Sasuke. So yes, Hagoromo's chakra increases speed. Getting his chakra increased ALL of Naruto and Sasuke's physical parameters. The force of Base Naruto and Sasuke CLASHING started to crack Hashirama's statue. They traveled from the battlefield to VoTE in a matter of minutes.



Lo,l how in the world does me exaggerating make it so that Sasuke's Susanoo only destroys a couple Mountains when the manga has already shown that he cuts meteors that dwarf Mountain Ranges, Madara only cuts a couple of Mountains. That's manga fact. Anything else from you is nothing but an assumption, a baseless one at that.

Covering Kurama has nothing to do with it being stronger than Sasuke's or not, because anyone with a working eye knows that it isn't.

Gonna need you to get me some feats of him using Kaguya's chakra arms (which are not from the Shinju, nor do you have any proof that the Shinju grants chakra arms, don't even know where that came from) and I'm gonna need feats of Limbo using anything besides Taijutsu. Limbo smacked the Bijuu around, it didn't use Ninjutsu, because as far as you know, it can't.

Besides, Rikudo Senjutsu PS>>>>>>>>>>Bijuu when it comes to sturdiness and durability. Limbo hitting PS is like me hitting a the door to a vault in the bank, it won't budge. Limbo gets raped by Susanoo, Sasuke stalemates Madara's Susanoo until his drops due to the latter having less chakra, and then he kills him with Amenotejikara and Chidori.

Sage Mode Rinnegan complimented Sasuke on his speed as well. Madara, who had time to say how fast Sasuke was, could of easily dodged it. You also can't say it is foot-speed because there is nothing to support that. He had to teleport there, and then spring for the attack. Chakra isn't going to make anyone faster.

Baseless, huh? I guess direction means nothing to you. Adult Naruto can't use Tailed Beast Mode, too. Nothing to support he can.

Going to need you to get some panels of a tailed beast host not being able use chakra arms. I can't see how that in the slight is debatable. Since when were clones not able to use the techniques of the user? The DataBook, which is canon, says they have the same abilities. Clear as day what this defines.

Are you saying that the Perfect Susano'o is much more durable than a tailed beast? Quite laughable. Why all this "Rikudou Senjutsu" and "Rikudou Chakra" talk about? Madara can use a Sage Mode enhanced Susano'o as well, and he generates "Rikudou Chakra". Some people seem to tend to forget that while Sasuke got the Yin half of Hagoromo's chakra, Madara has both halves and actually creates it himself. You can't say who has more chakra. That's not debatable at all since there is no proof for either side. Sasuke was on empty and got some to refill his tank. Madara is Indra's reincarnation as well, AKA powerful chakra, and can collect nature energy through a wood-clone. Not to mention Sasuke will have to deal with the Susano'o, and an immortal dog, as well as perhaps some wood-style constraints if on land.

 

[Holy God]

They're both instantaneous, but Sasuke's striking speed is far superior to any FTG user, so yes, Madara is still getting cut up. No Juubi Jin reactions means he isn't reacting in time. Your "serious" post is nothing but your own bias and goes against what that manga showed us.

None of those abilities matter as they're sliced down, cut up and laughed at by Sasuke's far superior Susano'o. Also, giving Madara Shinsenjuu is giving him yet again abilities he doesn't possess. Regardless, it won't do anything to Sasuke's PS before it's cut up.

Limbo clones only have Taijutsu, I don't know when you're going to realize this.

You give too much credit to Madara.

Sasuke has a superior PS, Amenotejikara, superior Genjutsu, access to Sharingan and Rin'negan abilities at the same time, superior speed and striking speed and Enton just to put it into perspective. Madara is not winning this.

Sasuke's striking speed is fast, yes, but avoidable still. Madara never needed to dodge anything they used, except for the sealing.

You give too much credit to Sasuke. Why does he have some superior Susano'o? They are equal in this fight via the restrictions, since some people can't realize that already. Let me guess. "up duh Rikudou Chakra!!!"? He has the Yin half, and Madara has both. That makes no sense.

Why can't they? They were shown able to fly, without wings, which has to do with chakra control. They also have the Rinnegan, so they can obviously use paths. It wasn't shown because it'd be too overpowering.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sage Mode Rinnegan complimented Sasuke on his speed as well. Madara, who had time to say how fast Sasuke was, could of easily dodged it. You also can't say it is foot-speed because there is nothing to support that. He had to teleport there, and then spring for the attack. Chakra isn't going to make anyone faster.

Nope, he said that he moves well due to his Choku Tomoe. Not that he is fast. If Sasuke is fast to JJ Madara, then he's obviously much faster than he was before.

Gonna need proof from you that he teleported. Madara was already out of Sasuke's range, thus he couldn't use his eye. He was shown running at Madara, if that was teleportation, he would have appeared and striked, he wouldn't be slanted like he was dashing toward him.

I've already given you an example of it boosting physical parameters, not interested in any baseless opinion you have.

Baseless, huh? I guess direction means nothing to you. Adult Naruto can't use Tailed Beast Mode, too. Nothing to support he can.

The fact that he didn't lose it means that he can still use it. Lol. If you are going to try and replicate my logic, do it right so you don't look foolish.

Going to need you to get some panels of a tailed beast host not being able use chakra arms. I can't see how that in the slight is debatable. Since when were clones not able to use the techniques of the user? The DataBook, which is canon, says they have the same abilities. Clear as day what this defines.

Never said that Bijuu can't use chakra arms, but Madara isn't a Jin in this scenario. "DRSM=Double Rinnegan Sage Mode"

Gonna need to see the feats. "Of same ability=/=Same abilities"

Are you saying that the Perfect Susano'o is much more durable than a tailed beast? Quite laughable.

Lol, once again, I'm seeing why I can't take you seriously. Its not that you senselessly wank Madara, you just overall have no idea what you are talking about, at least when it comes to anything Naruto related. B got fodderized by his Bijuu Dama, PS took a bigger one with no damage. Sasuke's is much stronger. Do. The. Math.

Why all this "Rikudou Senjutsu" and "Rikudou Chakra" talk about? Madara can use a Sage Mode enhanced Susano'o as well, and he generates "Rikudou Chakra".

Some people seem to tend to forget that while Sasuke got the Yin half of Hagoromo's chakra, Madara has both halves and actually creates it himself.

Don't know where Madara fans are getting this BS from, but he only has a portion of Hagoromo's chakra, from the portion of Ashura' chakra that he got, and Indra's chakra, which he already possesses. Hagoromo split his full reserves in two and gave half to Sasuke, thus Sasuke has more. Gonna need evidence that Indra's chakra+a portion of Ashura's=Half of Hagoromo's.

Sage Mode? Boost is shit compared to the boost Sasuke's Susanoo gets. Rikudo Chakra? No evidence to say the boost is anywhere near Sasuke's, not surprising since Sasuke got more, and straight from the source.

You can't say who has more chakra. That's not debatable at all since there is no proof for either side. Sasuke was on empty and got some to refill his tank. Madara is Indra's reincarnation as well, AKA powerful chakra, and can collect nature energy through a wood-clone. Not to mention Sasuke will have to deal with the Susano'o, and an immortal dog, as well as perhaps some wood-style constraints if on land.

Unless you can show me where Madara's chakra is ever implied to be so far above Hashirama's that it'd be half of Hagoromo's chakra, its not debatable who has more. Its obviously Sasuke. Nature Energy isn't chakra, so its not relevant, nor is Nature Energy gonna push his reserves up above Sasuke's. Nor can Madara even gather Nature Energy. He had to steal Sage Mode right from Hashirama, if he could take in Nature Energy himself that wouldn't be necessary.

-Already mentioned how Susanoo is dealt with.

-Immortal dog? Gets fodderized by Amaterasu just how Itachi did it.

-Mokuton? Didn't PS Kurama disable the strongest Mokuton Jutsu? Shinsuusenju? Oh wait, it did. Rikudo PS>>>PS Kurama, Sasuke carves SS apart.

 

[Transcendence]

Sasuke's striking speed is fast, yes, but avoidable still. Madara never needed to dodge anything they used, except for the sealing.

You give too much credit to Sasuke. Why does he have some superior Susano'o? They are equal in this fight via the restrictions, since some people can't realize that already. Let me guess. "up duh Rikudou Chakra!!!"? He has the Yin half, and Madara has both. That makes no sense.

Why can't they? They were shown able to fly, without wings, which has to do with chakra control. They also have the Rinnegan, so they can obviously use paths. It wasn't shown because it'd be too overpowering.

Not when the manga stipulated otherwise. Naruto, who has superior Senjutsu to Madara couldn't even react to Amenotejikara. So Madara isn't.

Rikudou chakra. Sasuke has the FULL YIN of Hagoromo. Madara has both, but he doesn't have Rikudou's actual chakra. It's small amounts of transmigrants chakra Indra and Ashura, not the full Half from Hagoromo himself. Sasuke's half far exceeds Madara's.

Your own opinion. If you want to use that logic, then the Limbo shown should have also had TSB's like the original but they didn't and they didn't have anything around them. They were shown engaging only in Taijutsu with Naruto's clones. If they could have overpowered them with the Rin'negan, they would have.

 

[Holy God]

Nope, he said that he moves well due to his Choku Tomoe. Not that he is fast. If Sasuke is fast to JJ Madara, then he's obviously much faster than he was before.

Gonna need proof from you that he teleported. Madara was already out of Sasuke's range, thus he couldn't use his eye. He was shown running at Madara, if that was teleportation, he would have appeared and striked, he wouldn't be slanted like he was dashing toward him.

I've already given you an example of it boosting physical parameters, not interested in any baseless opinion you have.


The fact that he didn't lose it means that he can still use it. Lol. If you are going to try and replicate my logic, do it right so you don't look foolish.


Never said that Bijuu can't use chakra arms, but Madara isn't a Jin in this scenario. "DRSM=Double Rinnegan Sage Mode"

Gonna need to see the feats. "Of same ability=/=Same abilities"



Lol, once again, I'm seeing why I can't take you seriously. Its not that you senselessly wank Madara, you just overall have no idea what you are talking about, at least when it comes to anything Naruto related. B got fodderized by his Bijuu Dama, PS took a bigger one with no damage. Sasuke's is much stronger. Do. The. Math.



Don't know where Madara fans are getting this BS from, but he only has a portion of Hagoromo's chakra, from the portion of Ashura' chakra that he got, and Indra's chakra, which he already possesses. Hagoromo split his full reserves in two and gave half to Sasuke, thus Sasuke has more. Gonna need evidence that Indra's chakra+a portion of Ashura's=Half of Hagoromo's.

Sage Mode? Boost is shit compared to the boost Sasuke's Susanoo gets. Rikudo Chakra? No evidence to say the boost is anywhere near Sasuke's, not surprising since Sasuke got more, and straight from the source.



Unless you can show me where Madara's chakra is ever implied to be so far above Hashirama's that it'd be half of Hagoromo's chakra, its not debatable who has more. Its obviously Sasuke. Nature Energy isn't chakra, so its not relevant, nor is Nature Energy gonna push his reserves up above Sasuke's. Nor can Madara even gather Nature Energy. He had to steal Sage Mode right from Hashirama, if he could take in Nature Energy himself that wouldn't be necessary.

-Already mentioned how Susanoo is dealt with.

-Immortal dog? Gets fodderized by Amaterasu just how Itachi did it.

-Mokuton? Didn't PS Kurama disable the strongest Mokuton Jutsu? Shinsuusenju? Oh wait, it did. Rikudo PS>>>PS Kurama, Sasuke carves SS apart.

Yes, He was out of range, so Sasuke couldn't get completely close to him, he had to continuously do it and then jumped towards for the attack. Nothing implies that he has the speed of a Holy Tree host.

B go directly hit by one. Madara attacked one, and then had his destroyed so he made a new one around Kurama.

No features. There are no features of Adult Naruto using Tailed Beast Mode though either.

A portions? His entire chakra tank is Hagoromo's chakra. His DNA generates a combination of Ashura's chakra, and Indra's, which equates to Hagoromo's. Sasuke only has Indra's. You also don't know how much chakra he got. He ran out after a day of fighting, just like Madara and Hashirama did. Hagoromo didn't have as much as he did when he was a host or alive.

You need nature energy to use Sage Mode, not Sage Mode to use nature energy. Pain absorbed Nature Energy, he just couldn't handle it. Madara, who has Sage Mode, is able to gather nature energy, which is basically a stronger chakra.

Immortal dog keeps splitting and Madara can make a clone that absorbs the flames.
Yes it did, but Susano'o was also destroyed. The wood-style isn't suppose to fodderise, it's supposed to create openings/distractions.

 

[Holy God]

Not when the manga stipulated otherwise. Naruto, who has superior Senjutsu to Madara couldn't even react to Amenotejikara. So Madara isn't.

Rikudou chakra. Sasuke has the FULL YIN of Hagoromo. Madara has both, but he doesn't have Rikudou's actual chakra. It's small amounts of transmigrants chakra Indra and Ashura, not the full Half from Hagoromo himself. Sasuke's half far exceeds Madara's.

Your own opinion. If you want to use that logic, then the Limbo shown should have also had TSB's like the original but they didn't and they didn't have anything around them. They were shown engaging only in Taijutsu with Naruto's clones. If they could have overpowered them with the Rin'negan, they would have.

Naruto reacted, it was just a bit late. Madara has the Rinnegan as well, so it heightens it when he can predict movements and sense surroundings.

You do know that spirit Hagoromo does not have as much chakra as he did when he was alive, correct? Madara's entire pool is Hagoromo's chakra. His DNA generates it, so it's not just a subset of another pool.

It is great logic. Naruto's clones didn't have the truth-seeking spheres and only used tai-jutsu against Kaguya and Madara as well. I'm sure they could have done more than that. Just because Madara didn't use full-force, doesn't mean he can't. I'm sure Naruto and Sasuke could have used the seals on Madara instead of their Rasengan and Chidori, but that didn't happen.

 

[King Of Pop]

The mere fact that someone still believes non jin madara has any chance whatsoever against rinnegan sasuke is utterly laughable. Smh clowns this days

 

[Unorthodox]

still comparing Rinnegan Sasuke to Rinnegan madara what a stomp match Sasuke wins low diff his powers at vote alone puts him above any Madara

 

[Holy God]

still comparing Rinnegan Sasuke to Rinnegan madara what a stomp match Sasuke wins low diff his powers at vote alone puts him above any Madara

Madara | Sasuke
Sharingan Sharingan
Mangekyou Mangekyou
Null Amaterasu
Susano'o Susano'o
Rinnegan Rinnegan
Animal Path Hawk
Limbo Teleportation
Sage Mode Null
Wood-Style Null

Madara is physically stronger, has better reactions, more techniques, and more experience.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes, He was out of range, so Sasuke couldn't get completely close to him, he had to continuously do it and then jumped towards for the attack. Nothing implies that he has the speed of a Holy Tree host.

Proof? Oh wait, you don't have any. Sasuke dashed, already explained it. Him dashing and bisecting Madara before Madara could do anything is proof he has speed superior to Madara. Not really interested in your opinion, not when it's backed by nothing.

B go directly hit by one. Madara attacked one, and then had his destroyed so he made a new one around Kurama.

Gonna need proof that Bijuu Dama destroyed Susanoo and that he made a new one. Sasuke's Rikudo PS already took a Rikudo Sage Mode Bijuu Dama with only damage to the left side of its body. Get that "BIjuu are more durable" BS out of here pal.

No features. There are no features of Adult Naruto using Tailed Beast Mode though either.

Like I said, there is no proof that he can't use it, so all feats he used when younger, he gets when older unless there is proof that he can't perform said feats. Lmao, learn how this works or please stop replying. It's as simple as this. Get feats of Limbo using Ninjutsu, and I'll concede that point.

A portions? His entire chakra tank is Hagoromo's chakra. His DNA generates a combination of Ashura's chakra, and Indra's, which equates to Hagoromo's. Sasuke only has Indra's. You also don't know how much chakra he got. He ran out after a day of fighting, just like Madara and Hashirama did. Hagoromo didn't have as much as he did when he was a host or alive.

His tank being influenced by Rikudo Chakra=/=His tank being equivalent in size and power to Hagoromo's.

Lol? Are you even reading the manga? Sasuke already has Indra's chakra, then Hagoromo gave him all of his Yin. Not to mention the amount of people's chakra doesn't equate to its power. Madara has a portion of Hagoromo's, Indra's, and a portion of Ashura's. Sasuke has HALF of Hagoromo's FULL Chakra, straight from him, and Indra's. There is literally no comparison here.

-Hagoromo had just as much as he did when he was alive. He had his Gudo Dama, something only JJ have. There is nothing to suggest his chakra amount was any lower. So he got half.

You need nature energy to use Sage Mode, not Sage Mode to use nature energy. Pain absorbed Nature Energy, he just couldn't handle it. Madara, who has Sage Mode, is able to gather nature energy, which is basically a stronger chakra.

Madara took Senjutsu Chakra from Hashirama, thus got his Sage Mode. That is exactly what the manga showed. I'm gonna need some feats of Madara gathering Nature Energy, because evidence in the manga shows he can't.

-No Sage Mode training=No gathering Nature Energy.

-He obviously didn't take Nature Energy from Hashirama because he stole Senjutsu Chakra straight from his body. Nature Energy is taken from Nature. Not humans.

-Pain absorbed Senjutsu CHAKRA. Preta Path can't absorb Nature Energy.

Immortal dog keeps splitting and Madara can make a clone that absorbs the flames.

Madara's clone gets raped, and the Cerberus already got downed by the flames in canon, anything else from you is irrelevant.

Yes it did, but Susano'o was also destroyed. The wood-style isn't suppose to fodderise, it's supposed to create openings/distractions.

Irrelevant, because Sasuke's Susanoo>>>>PS Kurama, as the manga shows, so it destroys it without dying.


Except it can't.

 

[Transcendence]

Naruto reacted, it was just a bit late. Madara has the Rinnegan as well, so it heightens it when he can predict movements and sense surroundings.

You do know that spirit Hagoromo does not have as much chakra as he did when he was alive, correct? Madara's entire pool is Hagoromo's chakra. His DNA generates it, so it's not just a subset of another pool.

It is great logic. Naruto's clones didn't have the truth-seeking spheres and only used tai-jutsu against Kaguya and Madara as well. I'm sure they could have done more than that. Just because Madara didn't use full-force, doesn't mean he can't. I'm sure Naruto and Sasuke could have used the seals on Madara instead of their Rasengan and Chidori, but that didn't happen.

Yeah, I'm done at this point. You're way to stubborn. KG already picked apart your arguments, as did I. Concession doesn't seem to be in your vocabulary.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Rinnegan genjutsu or a blitz...

 

[Holy God]

Proof? Oh wait, you don't have any. Sasuke dashed, already explained it. Him dashing and bisecting Madara before Madara could do anything is proof he has speed superior to Madara. Not really interested in your opinion, not when it's backed by nothing.


Gonna need proof that Bijuu Dama destroyed Susanoo and that he made a new one. Sasuke's Rikudo PS already took a Rikudo Sage Mode Bijuu Dama with only damage to the left side of its body. Get that "BIjuu are more durable" BS out of here pal.


Like I said, there is no proof that he can't use it, so all feats he used when younger, he gets when older unless there is proof that he can't perform said feats. Lmao, learn how this works or please stop replying. It's as simple as this. Get feats of Limbo using Ninjutsu, and I'll concede that point.


His tank being influenced by Rikudo Chakra=/=His tank being equivalent in size and power to Hagoromo's.

Lol? Are you even reading the manga? Sasuke already has Indra's chakra, then Hagoromo gave him all of his Yin. Not to mention the amount of people's chakra doesn't equate to its power. Madara has a portion of Hagoromo's, Indra's, and a portion of Ashura's. Sasuke has HALF of Hagoromo's FULL Chakra, straight from him, and Indra's. There is literally no comparison here.

-Hagoromo had just as much as he did when he was alive. He had his Gudo Dama, something only JJ have. There is nothing to suggest his chakra amount was any lower. So he got half.

Madara took Senjutsu Chakra from Hashirama, thus got his Sage Mode. That is exactly what the manga showed. I'm gonna need some feats of Madara gathering Nature Energy, because evidence in the manga shows he can't.

-No Sage Mode training=No gathering Nature Energy.

-He obviously didn't take Nature Energy from Hashirama because he stole Senjutsu Chakra straight from his body. Nature Energy is taken from Nature. Not humans.

-Pain absorbed Senjutsu CHAKRA. Preta Path can't absorb Nature Energy.



Madara's clone gets raped, and the Cerberus already got downed by the flames in canon, anything else from you is irrelevant.


Irrelevant, because Sasuke's Susanoo>>>>PS Kurama, as the manga shows, so it destroys it without dying.


Except it can't.

Your opinion is backed by nothing as well. I don't like to waste time, so I'm just going to explain very clearly why Madara wins.

He is smarter.
He has more experience.
He is more proficient with the Rinnegan(can use multiple paths at once, such as Nagato).
He is stronger physically.
He can sense danger and is naturally a sensor type.
He has the wood-style, which single handedly was able to make Hashirama named "God of Shinobi".

Madara's chakra itself is very, very similar to Hagoromo's. Not that he has the same amount as Hagoromo. Madara no more retains the chakra he had in his first life. Sasuke as of this fight, does not have his own chakra, as he was depleted after near-death. Hagoromo did not have as much chakra as he did when he was a host, or alive. Before he died, he extracted the beasts from himself. He would only have that much if you're implying that there is another copy of each beast. At most, he'd have as much as regular Hagoromo, but a bit less because he's just a spirit.

The Perfect Susano'o is the same globally. I believe Indra, Sasuke, Madara, and Kakashi all had the same in size and power, which is why I stated so in the thread. This is especially true when Sasuke doesn't have access to the tailed beasts.

Sasuke's teleportation is fast, but dodge-able. Madara's eyes allow him to predict movements, something neither Naruto or Kaguya had, and he has Hashirama's Sage Mode, which grants him the ability to sense danger and involuntarily react. He easily reacted to both Tobirama and Minato. He can to Sasuke as well.