(DrProof) - Shino's Healing Capabilities

[KingHashirama]

the connection between kisame and shino lies in that they both have a symbiotic relationship with something,not were the symbiotic organism resides

not all symbiotic relationships are the same. And clearly Shino's body was bred as a nest for the insects.. Kisame gained the sword later on. Furthermore, Kisame and Samehada do not really have a symbiotic relationship.

Symbiosis:- the living together of two dissimilar organisms, as in mutualism, commensalism, amensalism, or parasitism.
- a relationship between two people in which each person is dependent upon and receives reinforcement, whether beneficial or detrimental, from the other.

^^^^ That is shino, not Kisame.

Samehada is only a weapon for Kisame, he does not need to depend on it. It can act like a symbiote , but it really is not one. The insects and shino however do share a symbiotic relationship, where Shino acts as the nest.

 

[patricialicious]

It matters alot. Its about the difference in the body. Kisame has a body similar to every other ninja in the series. Shino has a body build for bugs to enter and go through from. That si the difference.

Furthermore, the comparison was done, with 2 different scenarios. Kisame took a wound from an external attack, and then had an external being give him chakra to heal. While shino let something that already lives inside him.. back in.

Still have not seen Shino heal from actual wounds and go into a perfect looking state.

so far there is nothing to suggest that the aburame have special bodies. it makes more sense from an evolutionary stand point that the bugs adapt over generations to suit the host as apposed to the host developing new skills to compensate the damage the symbiote caused. the aburame didnt start out as bug host from day one,and it takes generations for evolutionary changes to take place. so it would be easier for bugs to develop a restorative process than for the aburame to adapt to it

 

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He takes obvious facts and makes one well formatted thread every few months. He tries to sound smarter than he is. He's not bad but certainly not one of the best

Why are you hating? because he's not matter the 1000th Sasuke vs Naruto or wank thread ? shove off

OT : Great read proof i didn't notice this.

 

[KingHashirama]

so far there is nothing to suggest that the aburame have special bodies. it makes more sense from an evolutionary stand point that the bugs adapt over generations to suit the host as apposed to the host developing new skills to compensate the damage the symbiote caused. the aburame didnt start out as bug host from day one,and it takes generations for evolutionary changes to take place. so it would be easier for bugs to develop a restorative process than for the aburame to adapt to it

Yes, because the children of the aburame clan from birth are bred to be the "nests" of insects. Shino would be a credible healer, if someone were to burn his arm, and he were to heal it back up to a perfect state.. however he has no capabilities such as that. He can only open and close the points where the bugs would need to enter and come back in from.

reply to your first post:

not all symbiotic relationships are the same. And clearly Shino's body was bred as a nest for the insects.. Kisame gained the sword later on. Furthermore, Kisame and Samehada do not really have a symbiotic relationship.

Symbiosis:- the living together of two dissimilar organisms, as in mutualism, commensalism, amensalism, or parasitism.
- a relationship between two people in which each person is dependent upon and receives reinforcement, whether beneficial or detrimental, from the other.

^^^^ That is shino, not Kisame.

Samehada is only a weapon for Kisame, he does not need to depend on it. It can act like a symbiote , but it really is not one. The insects and shino however do share a symbiotic relationship, where Shino acts as the nest.

 

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not all symbiotic relationships are the same. And clearly Shino's body was bred as a nest for the insects.. Kisame gained the sword later on. Furthermore, Kisame and Samehada do not really have a symbiotic relationship.

Symbiosis:- the living together of two dissimilar organisms, as in mutualism, commensalism, amensalism, or parasitism.
- a relationship between two people in which each person is dependent upon and receives reinforcement, whether beneficial or detrimental, from the other.

^^^^ That is shino, not Kisame.

Samehada is only a weapon for Kisame, he does not need to depend on it. It can act like a symbiote , but it really is not one. The insects and shino however do share a symbiotic relationship, where Shino acts as the nest.

So Samehada need to absorb its users chakra doesn't count as depending on its user?

 

[DrProof]

not all symbiotic relationships are the same. And clearly Shino's body was bred as a nest for the insects.. Kisame gained the sword later on. Furthermore, Kisame and Samehada do not really have a symbiotic relationship.

Symbiosis:- the living together of two dissimilar organisms, as in mutualism, commensalism, amensalism, or parasitism.
- a relationship between two people in which each person is dependent upon and receives reinforcement, whether beneficial or detrimental, from the other.

^^^^ That is shino, not Kisame.

Samehada is only a weapon for Kisame, he does not need to depend on it. It can act like a symbiote , but it really is not one. The insects and shino however do share a symbiotic relationship, where Shino acts as the nest.

The wielder is only as strong as his bond with his sword. Think about that metaphorically.

 

[KingHashirama]

So Samehada need to absorb its users chakra doesn't count as depending on its user?

Kisame however does not. Symbiosis requires both of them 2 be dependent on each other (form my understanding). Kisame does not need to be dependent on Samehada. Shina however, is dependent on the bugs, just like the bugs are dependent on him.

The wielder is only as strong as his bond with his sword. Think about that metaphorically.

That would only connect to weapons my friend. In which it applies to Kisame and Samehada, and not Shino.

 

[DrProof]

Kisame however does not. Symbiosis requires both of them 2 be dependent on each other (form my understanding). Kisame does not need to be dependent on Samehada. Shina however, is dependent on the bugs, just like the bugs are dependent on him.



That would only connect to weapons my friend. In which it applies to Kisame and Samehada, and not Shino.

It applies to both. Shino/Kisame is the wielder. The Bugs/Samehada are the swords. In combat if you don't have trust, a strong bond with your weapon, you will be defeated. Ask any die hard Kisame fan, they'll tell you it's a symbiotic relationship.

 

[KingHashirama]

It applies to both. Shino/Kisame is the wielder. The Bugs/Samehada are the swords. In combat if you don't have trust, a strong bond with your weapon, you will be defeated. Ask any die hard Kisame fan, they'll tell you it's a symbiotic relationship.

I think i have a brain to think for myself ;p, instead of asking from others lol.


Kisame = doesn't need samehada

Samehada = needs kisame (for power)

Shino = needs the buggs

Bugs = need shino

Difference in the relationships. They aren't the same.

 

[loj]

Amazing! great job!

 

[DrProof]

I think i have a brain to think for myself ;p, instead of asking from others lol.


Kisame = doesn't need samehada

Samehada = needs kisame (for power)

Shino = needs the buggs

Bugs = need shino

Difference in the relationships. They aren't the same.

Ah that's the problem. You're associating "dependent" with needing.

Kisame is dependent on Samehada WHEN he's using the symbiotic sword

Samehada is dependent on Kisame WHEN kisame is using it.

Shino is dependent on his bugs vice versa.

Still implements Symbiotic traits.

 

[patricialicious]

I think i have a brain to think for myself ;p, instead of asking from others lol.


Kisame = doesn't need samehada

Samehada = needs kisame (for power)

Shino = needs the buggs

Bugs = need shino

Difference in the relationships. They aren't the same.

where is it stated that shino needs his bugs and vice versa?

 

[KingHashirama]

Ah that's the problem. You're associating "dependent" with needing.

Kisame is dependent on Samehada WHEN he's using the symbiotic sword

Samehada is dependent on Kisame WHEN kisame is using it.

Shino is dependent on his bugs vice versa.

Still implements Symbiotic traits.

dependent: unable to exist, sustain oneself, or act appropriately or normally without the assistance or direction of another

Kisame is very well not dependent on Samehada. lol.

You are making 2 different things into the same.

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I would like to point out that when Torune accidentally poisoned his partner and then administered his the antidote for the poison, he actually also healed the blisters and already destroyed cells (Which can clearly be seen in the First Pic) and didnt even leave a scar behind. Antidotes doesnt heal, it just renders the poison harmless, then something ie the insects much have reconstructed the cells at at accelerated rate.

Because he possessed the antibodies to the poison, hence building an immunity for the poison. He most likely put in the antibodies, and took out the poison, resulting in a healing process, that is only special to him.

 

[Anorien16]

Yes, because the children of the aburame clan from birth are bred to be the "nests" of insects. Shino would be a credible healer, if someone were to burn his arm, and he were to heal it back up to a perfect state.. however he has no capabilities such as that. He can only open and close the points where the bugs would need to enter and come back in from.

reply to your first post:

not all symbiotic relationships are the same. And clearly Shino's body was bred as a nest for the insects.. Kisame gained the sword later on. Furthermore, Kisame and Samehada do not really have a symbiotic relationship.

Symbiosis:- the living together of two dissimilar organisms, as in mutualism, commensalism, amensalism, or parasitism.
- a relationship between two people in which each person is dependent upon and receives reinforcement, whether beneficial or detrimental, from the other.

^^^^ That is shino, not Kisame.

Samehada is only a weapon for Kisame, he does not need to depend on it. It can act like a symbiote , but it really is not one. The insects and shino however do share a symbiotic relationship, where Shino acts as the nest.

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I would like to point out that when Torune accidentally poisoned his partner and then administered his the antidote for the poison, he actually also healed the blisters and already destroyed cells (Which can clearly be seen in the First Pic) and didnt even leave a scar behind. Antidotes doesnt heal, it just renders the poison harmless, then something ie the insects much have reconstructed the cells at at accelerated rate.

Not to mention, the Aburame Clans tradition is called Parasitic Destruction Insect Technique (

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) and as far as I know Parasitism IS a form of Symbiosis. (The other being Commensalism and Mutualism) Though in Aburame's case its actually Mutualism but it cant be blamed as Japanese doesnt have a traditional word for Mutualism and most likely Kishi isnt a great science buff.

dependent: unable to exist, sustain oneself, or act appropriately or normally without the assistance or direction of another

Kisame is very well not dependent on Samehada. lol.

You are making 2 different things into the same.

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"Symbiosis: This comes from a Greek word simply meaning 'living together' and can be used to describe any association between two organisms."

"Mutualism: This can be used to describe an association in which both organisms apparently benefit"

Since Kisame and Samehada are two organisms who are going through long term Mutalism ... they ARE Symbiotes.

Also Fun fact with Irony: Sharks doesnt need Ramoras but it is still symbiosis.

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[KingHashirama]

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"Mutualism: This can be used to describe an association in which both organisms apparently benefit"

Since Kisame and Samehada are two organisms who are going through long term Mutalism ... they ARE Symbiotes.

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Again, you are making 2 things that are not the same into , being the same.


Its like saying a person with a sword mastery, is the same as the person with an axe mastery, why? because they both mastered weapons.. no, thats not how things work lol.

There are different categories of syboisis...And mutualism vs parasitism or commensalism.

 

[Anorien16]

Again, you are making 2 things that are not the same into , being the same.


Its like saying a person with a sword mastery, is the same as the person with an axe mastery, why? because they both mastered weapons.. no, thats not how things work lol.

How does weapon master comes into this? Symbiosis is a long term association of two organism and since Samehada and Kisame are two organisms they are technically undergoing symbiosis. Or do u fail to get that and derailing with nonsense?

Because he possessed the antibodies to the poison, hence building an immunity for the poison. He most likely put in the antibodies, and took out the poison, resulting in a healing process, that is only special to him.

Since when Antibodies or person's immunity reconstructs cells eh? You making new discoveries or something?

 

[KingHashirama]

How does weapon master comes into this? Symbiosis is a long term association of two organism and since Samehada and Kisame are two organisms they are technically undergoing symbiosis. Or do u fail to get that derailing topics?



Since when Antibodies reconstructs cells eh? You making new discoveries or something?

Furthermore, the guy has nothing to do with shino... lol. They have 2 different abilities. Shino has nothing like that.


"How does weapon master comes into this? Symbiosis is a long term association of two organism and since Samehada and Kisame are two organisms they are technically undergoing symbiosis. Or do u fail to get that derailing topics?"

Lets see, you used the biological definition of symbiosis, i used the psychiatry (just realized this now). Furthermore, note that topic was about them not having the same relationships. If you look at it from a biological point they do have a symbiosis relatiionship, however my point still stands they are not the same. I repeat there is a difference between: mutualism vs parasitism or commensalism.

However, from a psychiatry point of view, Kisame and Samehada do not have a symbiosis relationship.

 

[Anorien16]

And where exactly did it say they were reconstructing the cells? Furthermore, the guy has nothing to do with shino... lol. They have 2 different abilities. Shino has nothing like that.

People with eyes can see that the blisters and wound that the venom caused was completely gone (The venom is supposed to destroy cells and if that seems to be reversed that would mean it was reconstructed) when Torune was done with his work. So a person with lil bit of sense can realize what it means. Not to mention you are blatantly ignoring the fact that the guy only has antibodies, so if the cell reconstruction was done which is impossible by using antibodies that would mean it was done with the bugs ... so if one Aburame's bug can reconstruct cells that would indicate other Aburame can do the same. Which in turn supports DrProof's view.

Lets see, you used the biological definition of symbiosis, i used the psychiatry (just realized this now). Furthermore, note that topic was about them not having the same relationships. If you look at it from a biological point they do have a symbiosis relatiionship, however my point still stands they are not the same. I repeat there is a difference between: mutualism vs parasitism or commensalism.

Mutualism Parasistism and Commensalism all are forms of Symbiosis. So when one says symbiosis they can mean any one of them. You were against using the word Symbiosis.

Not to meantion why you would use the psychiatric defination of Symbiosis? We are not talking about a mental disorder.

 

[KingHashirama]

People with eyes can see that the blisters and wound that the venom caused was completely gone (The venom is supposed to destroy cells and if that seems to be reversed that would mean it was reconstructed) when Torune was done with his work. So a person with lil bit of sense can realize what it means. Not to mention you are blatantly ignoring the fact that the guy only has antibodies, so if the cell reconstruction was done which is impossible by using antibodies that would mean it was done with the bugs ... so if one Aburame's bug can reconstruct cells that would indicate other Aburame can do the same.

Thats why I edited. Didn't see the blisters.
1. Proof Torune is the one who made the blisters go away, and it wasn't the normal healing process of the body itself? oh there is none.

2. agree they can recontruct their own body's cells via insects, and how it is only a specific part of the body.

3. So Hashirama possess regeneration via sage mode /mokuton, so would it be cool for me to claim Naruto has regeneration via Sage mode? or Jiraiya has it? Or Yamato has it via mokuton? I'm sure you'd disagree with that. Torune is an exception in the aburame clan.. Furthermore, it was only for that specific thing, for which he possessed antibodies.

4. Hopefully you do acknowledge the process of healing and etc and healing isn't fully 100% comparable with ours.

People with eyes can see that the blisters and wound that the venom caused was completely gone (The venom is supposed to destroy cells and if that seems to be reversed that would mean it was reconstructed) when Torune was done with his work. So a person with lil bit of sense can realize what it means. Not to mention you are blatantly ignoring the fact that the guy only has antibodies, so if the cell reconstruction was done which is impossible by using antibodies that would mean it was done with the bugs ... so if one Aburame's bug can reconstruct cells that would indicate other Aburame can do the same. Which in turn supports DrProof's view.




Mutualism Parasistism and Commensalism all are forms of Symbiosis. So when one says symbiosis they can mean any one of them. You were against using the word Symbiosis.

Not to meantion why you would use the psychiatric defination of Symbiosis? We are not talking about a mental disorder.

False, I was against their relationship not being the same. And then furthermore, I simply stated this:
" Furthermore, Kisame and Samehada do not really have a symbiotic relationship."

^^^ That is what i stated, and that is an implication of a doubt, because for me i didn't realize a mutualism was also a symbotic relationship. And "why would you use the psychiatric definition of symbiosis", i already stated I just realized it then.

Original argument was:

they are not comparables.

"Also the connection between kisame and shino is bad"

Yes I messed up on the definition of symbiosis, however, the point of my argument still stands, they are not the same relationship, hence they cannot be compared.

 

[Anorien16]

Thats why I edited. Didn't see the blisters.
1. Proof Torune is the one who made the blisters go away, and it wasn't the normal healing process of the body itself? oh there is none.

Unless you can prove that Yamanaka has the natural ability to reconstruct his destroyed cells in less than a minute (Which u cant) .... I am right.

2. agree they can recontruct their own body's cells via insects, and how it is only a specific part of the body.

Aburame clan didnt have ample enough screentime to fully analyze their abilities. But when Two Aburame shows the ability to close bleeding wounds and reconstruct destroyed cells ... it is safe to speculate they might have this ability.

3. So Hashirama possess regeneration via sage mode /mokuton, so would it be cool for me to claim Naruto has regeneration via Sage mode? or Jiraiya has it? Or Yamato has it via mokuton? I'm sure you'd disagree with that. Torune is an exception in the aburame clan.. Furthermore, it was only for that specific thing, for which he possessed antibodies.

First you would have to prove that Hashirama's healing powers derives from his Sage Mode Or Mokuton. Where as his tremendous life force might have force might have a hand in it, similar to why Naruto was more resistant to corrosive effect of Kurama's Raw Chakra.

4. Hopefully you do acknowledge the process of healing and etc and healing isn't fully 100% comparable with ours.

Please first acknowledge that this sentence doesnt make much sense. I cant be sure what u mean.