[Theory] (DrProof) Kamui's Weakness | Absorption

[razinzell]

Oh god not this again. Kishi thinks of cool things in his bathtub he doesn't take any of this into account.

Also saying that "SFX: whoosh!" means that he's breaking the sound barrier is a huge assumption.

 

[DrProof]

Oh god not this again. Kishi thinks of cool things in his bathtub he doesn't take any of this into account.

Also saying that "SFX: whoosh!" means that he's breaking the sound barrier is a huge assumption.

Do you not see the cone shaped properties enveloping the Satesu needles?

 

[HadouKage]

I disagree with this, just seeing how the user becomes intangible. The Gakido/Shameda must be touching the target to absorb the chakara. Obito's Kamui allows him to transport parts or all of his body into the Kamui dimension, so saying they can absorb it is like saying they have access to the Kamui dimension without using Kamui

Nice theory tho

 

[Fodder#4]

A very well thought out theory, something I haven't really considered too much.

I suppose that both the Preta Path and Samehada (and by extension, both Killer Bee and Kisame) COULD counter Kamui if chakra is indeed present in the "ripple" that is caused by the eye technique. Though, for Samehada more then the Preta Path; is it fast enough to react to it? If Kakashi were to use it on Kisame's leg, would Samehada be able to react and absorb the chakra before harm is done?

The counter is there, but it's rather hard to pull off. Though, it would probably be much more effective on Obito's version of Kamui, when he goes to absorb you that is, then Kakashi's ranged version.

Overall, it was rather well done. Good work.

 

[Solo]

Dafuq Blaze Release get banned?

Kamui is pretty fast seeing how Obito stopped Lord Sasuke from blitzed by Onoki and absorbed Lord Sasuke's Susano'o Arrow.

Gaara control his Sand through Chakra(Or infuse with Chakra), right? Then by it simply being deprive from chakra it can be absorbed? Which means you can take chakra out of Gaara's Sand?

In theory it is good, but Naruto logic doesn't seem to match just that.

 

[Beetle]

I would assume the chakra that causes it is centered in the sharingan itself rather than the outside world. The ripple/wrinkle would just be the effects of the jutsu but not actually chakra. So it couldn't be absorbed.

Regardless it's probably too fast to absorb in time. You'd have to recognize it and immediately react with absorption.

 

[Uchiha Style]

It's true that every Jutsu has weakness, but how you explain Kamui's weakness is wrong.

 

[Microsword57]

I Disagree.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

The only thing I agree with is that every jutsu has a weakness.

Kamui's and... the MS's, generally, is speed.

That's it. Speed.

 

[Troi]

Well done.

 

[Frikid]

Shi...T xD how come i missed this thread uptil now.

Anyways, moving on to the topic.
I think pretha path or any chakra absorbing jutsu is not a good counter for kamui. Here is the reason :

1. Kamui is near instant.
Unlike amaterasu, kamui cannot be "sensed" . Once kamui appears on the opponent, he loses.
The only technique which actually countered kamui was ftg, but ftg is instant and pretha path is not.
Examples for kamui's instant speed can be :
1. obito saving sasuke from jinton.
2. Kakashi kamui naruto's clone while he was running + kakashi kamui his own fast raiton kunai (which scratched tobi's mask)

2. Kamui also absorbs.
Much like pretha path, kamui also absorbs(not the ninjutsu but the opponent itself). While kamui is activated, one requires very good instincts and speed feats to actually use pretha path before getting absorbed in kamui itself as kamui is just like a blackhole.

3. Kamui can be used even when the user is in hiding.
Kakashi showed good display of kamui when he teleported that missile during pain arc and protected choji.

4. It is still not sure that kamui can actually be absorbed.
Yes kamui maybe a ninjutsu but it is also a S/T technique.
You see , the mechanics of S/T jutsu are a bit different than regular ninjutsu, which is the reason why it is categorized as different "type" of ninjutsu and not ninjutsu itself.

To fully counter your entirely "theoretical" theory, i also have manga proof :

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Bugs were absorbing chakra, obito become intangible, bugs lost track of him. Which means bugs ,even though they were constantly absorbing chakra(in our case,pretha path won't even be able to react in time,so we won't even get to this situation) weren't able to absorb kamui .

Spoiler

Sorry proof, you are my very good friend and i honestly avoid posting anything negative in my friend's thread but according to me , false knowledge is more harmful than no knowledge at all. And according to me, this thread is false.
I don't really wanted to post in this and that other thread but circumstances ends up like this

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

im not sure what point youre trying to make here, but most of this is obvious stuff i'd say.

however, if im not mistaken youre saying that Kamui creates a barrier around the targeted object, and the "chakra" inside the barrier is what causes the distortion in space? - if so, then youre wrong.

Anyway as by the words of kakashi, FTG is a primitive version of Kamui, and the way Kakashi and Obito's Kamui differ is that Obito has to touch an object in order to transport it, while kakashi needs only to look at it

however kakashi cannot transport himself, while obito can use it to teleport anywhere at anytime.

 

[accept pain]

thats why i always said nagato>obito.

kamui weakness is also gravity manipulation and aburame clan

 

[SONIC1234]

You do NOT ARGUE WITH THIS MAN HE IS KISHIMOTO brother he KNOWS the manga dont agrue with kishi bro once a agian GOOD JOB

 

[Telekinesis]

Shi...T xD how come i missed this thread uptil now.

Anyways, moving on to the topic.
I think pretha path or any chakra absorbing jutsu is not a good counter for kamui. Here is the reason :

1. Kamui is near instant.
Unlike amaterasu, kamui cannot be "sensed" . Once kamui appears on the opponent, he loses.
The only technique which actually countered kamui was ftg, but ftg is instant and pretha path is not.
Examples for kamui's instant speed can be :
1. obito saving sasuke from jinton.
2. Kakashi kamui naruto's clone while he was running + kakashi kamui his own fast raiton kunai (which scratched tobi's mask)

2. Kamui also absorbs.
Much like pretha path, kamui also absorbs(not the ninjutsu but the opponent itself). While kamui is activated, one requires very good instincts and speed feats to actually use pretha path before getting absorbed in kamui itself as kamui is just like a blackhole.

3. Kamui can be used even when the user is in hiding.
Kakashi showed good display of kamui when he teleported that missile during pain arc and protected choji.

4. It is still not sure that kamui can actually be absorbed.
Yes kamui maybe a ninjutsu but it is also a S/T technique.
You see , the mechanics of S/T jutsu are a bit different than regular ninjutsu, which is the reason why it is categorized as different "type" of ninjutsu and not ninjutsu itself.

To fully counter your entirely "theoretical" theory, i also have manga proof :

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Bugs were absorbing chakra, obito become intangible, bugs lost track of him. Which means bugs ,even though they were constantly absorbing chakra(in our case,pretha path won't even be able to react in time,so we won't even get to this situation) weren't able to absorb kamui .

Spoiler

Sorry proof, you are my very good friend and i honestly avoid posting anything negative in my friend's thread but according to me , false knowledge is more harmful than no knowledge at all. And according to me, this thread is false.
I don't really wanted to post in this and that other thread but circumstances ends up like this

Holy shit!

There is only one thing to say for me which is :

I'm just talking about for being intangible there is no condition for use Mangekyou Sharingan

Here is proof :

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[Silverblade]

Absorption doesn't beat Kamui.

Kamui's weakness is timing.

 

[Mo City Don]

F*ck metaphors in the naruto world

 

[XxLotusxX]

Great theory..simple, yet profound

 

[projecttsukinome]

Great to see u back..that was a great theory,but I diasgree with it because of two reasons-
1) Kamui does not contain chakra
U can see in many instances where Obito came into a certain location through Kamui, but others can't even feel his presence;eg - Hinata, Kcm Naruto and others( who were sensor types)
2) I basically think it is more likely a wormhole in spacetime and thats how he can travel so fast and the two dimensions are connected that way..I made a thread about this one..Check it out if you have no problem with this

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Anyway ***** for this wonderful effort...Its always nice to see some intellectually stimulating threads

 

[LoZelda101]

damn, thought this was about intangible kamui not the snipe one. lol