[Discussion] (DrProof) Kakuzu's Strength>Susano'o Ribcage

[EliteKakashi]

doton armor has been a comparable feat to that of tsunade/A's level, im not saying that hes on par with their strength im saying that it can be used in comparison between those two

As Chatte stated, there's a difference between offensive and defensive power. Being able to take a hit doesn't mean you're able to give one even as equally powerful as the hit you took, and vice-versa. If Sakura got hit as hard as she punched Sasori's body, or the boulder that hid their hideout, do you think she could tank it? She might live through it, but she wouldn't stand still and brush it off. Same goes with Tsunade, she'll be able to regenerate herself, but she couldn't just stand through an attack as powerful as one of her punches.

 

[Draphsin]

Unbelievable you wait this long and your just in denial. He activated his doton and was unable to overpower choji. That is a fact. He was not in base. Stop being in denial. "based on what we have seen" what exactly are his feats? And it is a problem to compare him to the strongest characters? That is the level of strength needed to do anything to susanoo! Kakuzu cant do shit.

:sy: never said he was in base. Goes to show how little you actually read of my posts...kakuzu had barely any time to weave the sign, and chouji wasnt on him for a signifigant ammount of time, not to mentioned he attacked from above lol. The example you showed me was of a V2 jinjuriki cloak (which was already activated at the time) getting hit head on with the same attack and Kinkaku even has enough time to realize that he's getting hit, meaning that choujii was attacking significantly longer FACT

As Chatte stated, there's a difference between offensive and defensive power. Being able to take a hit doesn't mean you're able to give one even as equally powerful as the hit you took, and vice-versa. If Sakura got hit as hard as she punched Sasori's body, or the boulder that hid their hideout, do you think she could tank it? She might live through it, but she wouldn't stand still and brush it off. Same goes with Tsunade, she'll be able to regenerate herself, but she couldn't just stand through an attack as powerful as one of her punches.

Kakuzu has shown that he can use offensive capabilities with it

 

[GwemBaba]

That's just the density of his skin, it is almost completely dependent on the force behind the punch.

Which is augmented by his skin

 

[EliteKakashi]

:sy: never said he was in base. Goes to show how little you actually read of my posts...kakuzu had barely any time to weave the sign, and chouji wasnt on him for a signifigant ammount of time, not to mentioned he attacked from above lol. The example you showed me was of a V2 jinjuriki cloak (which was already activated at the time) getting hit head on with the same attack and Kinkaku even has enough time to realize that he's getting hit, meaning that choujii was attacking significantly longer FACT



Kakuzu has shown that he can use offensive capabilities with it

Yes, he can. But nothing capable of breaking susanoo. His defensive feats with it are more impressive(IMO, anyway) than his offensive ones.

Gai has feats comparable to it in base, if you ask me. Punching a guy through a very thick concrete wall, knocking a very large, powerful and rushing Kisame quite a ways away, etc.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

I never thought you would resort to trolling one day, but here it is..........

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

:sy: never said he was in base. Goes to show how little you actually read of my posts...kakuzu had barely any time to weave the sign, and chouji wasnt on him for a signifigant ammount of time, not to mentioned he attacked from above lol. The example you showed me was of a V2 jinjuriki cloak (which was already activated at the time) getting hit head on with the same attack and Kinkaku even has enough time to realize that he's getting hit, meaning that choujii was attacking significantly longer FACT

"You're comparing kakuzu in base to some of the strongest characters in the series"
You said this after I talked about an doton enhanced kakuzu. And the rest of your argument is sad. You saying that kakuzu did not have time to counter and he could barely weave a sign. His body is hardened very fast if not instantly and choji was grinding him for a while or at least long enough to realize that it was useless as choji and shikamaru said later. S no he had time but was overpowered. And the kinkaku scene can be him simply having faster reflexes or in fact just stronger and more durable. He was overpowered that is it.

 

[GwemBaba]

Sorry, but I will have to disagree with you. Until is showed in manga that he comes near to Tsunade's destructive force, I won't buy it.

Keep clutching at straws, that'll get you places

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

I never thought you would resort to trolling one day, but here it is..........

Wasn't it already confirmed he was trolling which led to his ban? Once a troll always one.

 

[Draphsin]

Yes, he can. But nothing capable of breaking susanoo. His defensive feats with it are more impressive(IMO, anyway) than his offensive ones.

Well i guess you believe what you want but i gave you the example the manga has shown us and IMO it has enough force to at least crack, if not break susanoo's ribcage U_U

Gai has feats comparable to it in base, if you ask me. Punching a guy through a very thick concrete wall, knocking a very large, powerful and rushing Kisame quite a ways away, etc.

Yes he has comparable feats, but that's because he's a main character (more screen time) who spacalizes in taijutsu. Also those base feats still arent as good as what we've seen from kakuzu's one destructive punch.

Wasn't it already confirmed he was trolling which led to his ban? Once a troll always one.

"(which he used to defend against choujii, he barely had enough time to weave a sign)" -#80

Read my posts before acting like an ass, it makes you look like a troll as I Speak the Truth said...always had that in mind, anybody with common sense would know that but of course this is the internet where this is not always a factor for some people

So what if his body hardens fast? Point is he had to activate it while being attacked but kinkaku already had it activated (I already said this too :sy: U_U) and you have no proof that choujii was grinding him for long, he can instantly tell if he crushed his enemy or not, its not difficult lmao....Kinkaku had time to process thoughts, meaning an elapse in time. If nobody had time to process anything until afterwards during zakuzu's attack then that proves that it was significantly shorter time-span.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Well i guess you believe what you want but i gave you the example the manga has shown us and IMO it has enough force to at least crack, if not break susanoo's ribcage U_U


Yes he has comparable feats, but that's because he's a main character (more screen time) who spacalizes in taijutsu. Also those base feats still arent as good as what we've seen from kakuzu's one destructive punch.

This entire argument of yours to this guy is that kakuzu has a good feat. What exactly is it?

 

[Chatte]

Keep clutching at straws, that'll get you places

Let's keep it on topic, shall we?

 

[Draphsin]

This entire argument of yours to this guy is that kakuzu has a good feat. What exactly is it?

I showed you already, if you dont wanna look for it then thats not my problem :shrug:

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Well i guess you believe what you want but i gave you the example the manga has shown us and IMO it has enough force to at least crack, if not break susanoo's ribcage U_U


Yes he has comparable feats, but that's because he's a main character (more screen time) who spacalizes in taijutsu. Also those base feats still arent as good as what we've seen from kakuzu's one destructive punch.



"(which he used to defend against choujii, he barely had enough time to weave a sign)" -#80

Read my posts before acting like an ass, it makes you look like a troll as I Speak the Truth said...always had that in mind, anybody with common sense would know that but of course this is the internet where this is not always a factor for some people

So what if his body hardens fast? Point is he had to activate it while being attacked but kinkaku already had it activated (I already said this too :sy: U_U) and you have no proof that choujii was grinding him for long, he can instantly tell if he crushed his enemy or not, its not difficult lmao....Kinkaku had time to process thoughts, meaning an elapse in time. If nobody had time to process anything until afterwards during zakuzu's attack then that proves that it was significantly shorter time-span.

I don't even no why you brought this quote up. It doesn't change the fact that kakuzu is weak and on panel was unable to overpower choji.

Why did you bring up I speak the truth his comment does not even relate to me at all.

You obviously don't get the point. It doesn't matter that kinkaku was in v2 just the fact he was strong enough to throw him away. Choji would have ot wait a few seconds to see if kakuzu's durability would wane. He can't determine the scope of someone's durabiltiy in one second of grinding. Use common sense no one would.

The fact is"
Kakuzu does not have any feats near Tsuande or A. So why are you arguing for him?

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

I showed you already, if you dont wanna look for it then thats not my problem :shrug:

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AHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!!!!

This was yuor evidence? I jsut htought it was a low end feat.

How does breaking a wall(made of an mixture of wood and stone) compare to these...

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(this is a feat for raikage as he is able to restrain an arm or foot of a full susanoo)
THESE ARE THE FEATS OF CHARACTERS WHO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CHALLENGE RIBCAGE SUSANOO.
Kakuzu has no feats like that.

 

[VongolaX]

ribcage susanoo took on kirin and you expect me to believe that kakazu who got bitch out by a sample of rasenshuriken can harm susanooo?

 

[Masked man]

Oh, one of the first thread from you which is interesting for me.

I made this thread a while before you.

I think Kakuzu can break first version of Susano'o too.. But what do you think about his elementary techniques? When he fused Fuuton and Katon, it had very destructive effect. Trees in near surroundings have been crushed and burned out.
Do you think it could has any effect on Susano'o?

 

[Unorthodox]

kakuzu isnt leaving a sracth on susanoo periode