[Game] Drinks of Sophistication - Mafia Game #20

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Oh sk I’m gonna demolish you.
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For the towns that don’t realize, the only way SK and moth win this game is by suggesting there’s a godfather so they can keep the mislynch pool opened.
You see, this is your first mistake. I am the one who suggests that there is a godfather. I am doing this on my own will as a cop who sees through your tricks.

He has claimed my role claim is fake, but all the visits have checked out thus far. My information was correct, therefore, I AM a watcher.
Second mistake, i said that mafia has the means to counter all our investigations since we have many. I won't be surprised if the godfather role has an ability that allows you to confirm who visited who. Mafia tends to have multiple abilities and watcher can easily be one of them.

This dude just checked the both of us (Me and Michelle) he came into the day saying I’m lock clear and now he says there’s a godfather. If you all don’t realize he’s doing this to try to bait you into lynching CONFIRMED TOWNS so he can win later in the game by having all unconfirmed people then you honestly deserve to lose.
I said you were townie until I reread the thread and saw your shenanigan. You fooled everyone and exposed all townies roles for mafia so you can target the next threat for mafia. Don't use the "you deserve to lose if you lynch me" as an excuse. It seems desperate and shallow. You are literally forcing a mislynch so hard that my eyes are bleeding. Townies deserve to lose if they actually follow you. See what I did there? those pitty tricks don't work.

He is MECHANICALLY LOCKED. He just slipped that he knows paper was transported with him.
Say Mechanically locked one more time and you win a cookie. You keep saying this crap to try and convince townies and manipulate them. I never slipped on anything I simply used YOUR POST where you suggested that and michelle about being transported with paperboi. Stop making up lies and sugar coating it to make me look scum. I literally showed everyone your post about it.

We HAVE THE MECHANICAL CONFIRMATION HE IS SCUM. IF HE WAS TRANSPORTED WITH PAPERBOI AND SAGEBEE VISITED HIM, HIS ABILITY TRIGGERED ON SK BUT IT ACTIVATED ON PAPER BECAUSE HE WAS TRANSPORTED.
Oh look using the word mechanical again to try and persuade townies for a mislynch.

Now you are just full of bs and using your own assumptions as fact. We don't know what exactly happened during the NP. Alot of factors could of played and you are using the one that fits your own agenda to push a mislynch. Very manipulative.


Also, he wasn’t roleblocked even once. Do you all realize this? Town sk not blocked once?
and? atleast I would never go as far about lying about being role blocked because if you are the god father and I am sure you are at this point then you made that shit up to try and make yourself look like a poor townie who got roleblocked. Unlike you I am don't have to low myself down to such level to get things my way.

If somehow he decides to fool you guys by lynching a confirmed town and making you have a continuous lapse of judgement, you have to listen to me.
I am not fooling anyone I am simply exposing you for what you are. Unfortunately you are the one who is trying to fool everyone and get it your way.

You lynch SK tomorrow, he’s confirmed. I shouldn’t even be doing this. The only two people voting for me are the scum (moth and SK)
I don't know about moth but i will be checking him soon enough. But you are definitely trying to paint townies as scum and force a mislynch. Game is almost over so you would say and do anything at this point to get it your way.

There’s a confirmed pool that didn’t visit michelle and hence, did the kill on Angelus / visited someone else.
I did not visit angelus. I visited you and if someone was watching me or checked me they would know for A FACT that i visited you last NP.



Sk is a cop that wasn’t on Michelle.

Unless godfathers have an ability to watch at night, my information is correct, and given you cleared me, I can’t be godfather because I have information of not 1, not 2, but 3 people that visited someone. That can’t be faked. I came out first and said who visited michelle.
Again, you prove nothing by this statement. I said hosts gave someone a strong fake claim and you are that person and I won't be surprised if your role also have the tools to allow you to gain soo much information over townies to be able to manipulate them to this level. Taking into account the excessive amount of investigation roles mafia probably have something that is way more powerful than all of us combined to be able to counter such excessive investigation roles. Stop playing around in circles. You got busted.

Mafia have scum roleblocker / 1 x poison confirmed, judging by your theory, if they had a godfather, it can’t be me. My claim can’t be fake.
Oh so mafia have a role that have both roleblocker and poison as well? damn you seem to know little too much for a mere watcher. You sure are a sneaky god father i will give you that.

He’s. Not. Lynching. In. Confirmed. Mafia. Kp. That. Carried. Out. The. Kill. N3. On. Angelus.
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seriously repeat this I have no idea what you trying to say, are you stuttering? is pressure getting into you?

Unless anyone that I claimed was on Michelle wants to say that they weren’t, then his claim that my claim is fake is a huge lie. He’s lynching in confirmed checks. I can’t be GF because there’s scum roleblocker every night and I have watcher info. If I was scum roleblocker I couldn’t multitask my roleblock ability with my watch even if that was the case.
You don't need to roleblock anyone. You simply lied about being roleblocked. You know too much information of what's going on and your godfather role is probably too op to counter all this investigation. You don't need to multitask you can probably use different stuff at the same time.

With the theme of it being mainly odd and even, and me claiming the other variant of watcher, I’m even further proved.
Wrong with the theme of having both odd and even. You claiming the other variant of watcher further proves that your claim is fake because there is no way in hell hosts allowed role claim in such state. They MUST of gave mafia a VERY strong fake claim to counter the mass claim. Otherwise townies could of all claimed DP1 and outed every single mafia from the get go. But obviously you claiming that by itself is not the reason everything you did that i mentioned adds up. It's like 1 + 1 remember? it all connects. You had a good run. You kept telling yourself why am I still alive? now I know why. I am surprised you kept me alive till this point. It seems you like the challenge and really wanted to set me up for a mislynch after killing angel and throwing sus my way, and then exposed all townies roles to be able to pinpoint who is the most threat to you and kill them next NP. Gotta give it to you man it was a really good plan and I would of loved playing scum along side with you. But you see, you made a grave mistake and now you gonna get lynched for it. After I get rid of you I am gonna go after the last scum in the game if there is even one. This might as well be gg and your the last scum.
 

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Moth and SK can keep their votes on me, I expect nothing less.
You can keep your vote on me because I expect nothing less.


SK slipped he knew he was transported with paperboi. There’s no way he would’ve known that information unless he was in scum chat with All_Red. He said Michelle claimed it but she never did.
Again with this BS. You keep saying i slipped but you fucked up big time by even coming up with that slip since it was you and michelle who mentioned all these information. That's how i came to that very conclusion but i guess i was wrong and it was all part of your little tricks.



Choose wisely, I can’t believe I’m even wasting my time on this.
Because you are trying to save yourself, isn't this obvious?
 

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It's getting late here about 3 am so I am gonna go to bed. I believe i said everything i had to say. I have a feeling townies have the brains to do the right decision and lynch the god father (aka thestatusquo). Lucky for you TSQ you have all this time now with me not being around to manipulate townies even further. I pray and hope they don't get fooled by your tricks.
 

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Thanks for making me look like L from death note or something. I suppose only by painting me as a criminal mastermind is what will make your case more believable, cuz you’re the “Hero” that exposes me or something.

Sad thing about this is that you have to go on a rant about how the mods must’ve made the mafia so strong that it unbalances the game considerably, mainly because you lost your transporter due to gamethrowing. The strong fake claim died.

Truth is you all just were at luck’s fate and you lost.

Your first line doesn’t make any sense.

We don’t have many investigations, we just confirm visiting roles, not the alignment of people, that is on us to infer after proper analysis. The only guy who can check alignments is Sagebee and he has a two shot ability.

If I am lying, then why use my posts as a guideline? Nothing is set in stone but yet you tripped up so carelessly. You thought we figured that.

The point is if you follow that script then you are confirmed scum based on it.

Mafia have a scum roleblocker that acted last night. Unless you’ve seen multi tasking abilities godfather juggernauts, then stop talking about it, because it’s surreal.

Mafia can’t multi task between their abilities, that’s a fact.

The thing you’re missing is that even if I’m scum watcher, you’re still mechanically locked as visiting someone else other than my checks. Unless you wanna call the 3 people visiting Michelle also scum, then you’ll have to drop this as well.

And don’t you paint me things that I am not. It’s simple math. The people that visited Michelle couldn’t have killed Angelus.

You keep saying mechanical locks are bullshit, but you’re using a mechanical loop to paint me as scum because you can’t focus on things that make me town other than a made up story about how there is a godfather in the game, which there is no confirmation of.

“you don’t have to multi task, you can probably use different stuff at the same time” :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Sk, you’ve been on the “mafia are trying to set me up” story since day one so that if it ever comes to this point you can use it for yourself. Truth is, if you were town, you would’ve died early in the game. There’s no reason to keep you alive unless you suck at the game. No mafia would ever risk staging you up when they can just take you out in the night. It is way too much risk and for nothing.

You caught no scum and still aren’t catching any scum.

Nobody is ever gonna wait til D6 or whatever just to lynch you at the expense of you demolishing them until they do.

Mafia have to stop using this excuse because it’s non sense.

SK feel free to talk by yourself, my wincondition is to aid town into lynching scum, not wasting my time trying to pinpoint to scum why they’re wrong. If I get lynched then you and moth will fall like domino’s.

The people that i tagged should ask me questions if they’re uncertain of my alignment. I think Sagebee understood the big mistake that sk made with that slip.

And now he’s saying that he read my assumption and chose to follow it, but before it was “i thought michelle said it” . You gotta learn how to distinguish actual information that was presented and what you guys talk in scum chat, it can be the death of you.
 

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Like, the only way SK wins is if he gets the mislynch on me / michelle (basically obvious town that talk the most and are confirmed)

Let me walk you guys through the math. We are 7 players alive. You lynch me, I flip town, that's 6 players. Someone dies at night, that's 5 players walking into the next Day. Out of those 5 players, 2 are scum. What does SK have to do in this scenario? Get one of the people that aren't confirmed (moth / naomi / alice) lynched by claiming they are red. You lynch them, it's 4 players. 1 dies in the night and it's an automatic town loss.

Imagine what position SK is put in after I get lynched. He'll **** up but use my information to win you guys over. I bet that's what's gonna happen. Right now he's discrediting me, but I bet you he'll use my checks to win you guys over by saying "Yeah he was right, I checked Alice and she's red". I wonder who out of Alice and Sk you'll lynch, hmm. Really hard choice.

SK's checks are massive bs as well. Why check the people that talk the most, Michelle was basically like locked town after my fake day vig and he still checked her and me.

As a cop you always check the people you don't have information on / can't read. You don't check the high posters.

There's no way you guys choose to lynch me over him.

If you weren't convinced by the most obvious facts, then take this. If I kill him and he flips town, you guys can kill me off. No questions asked. It's better to kill him in this situation because of the power he has after he mislynches me. If he dies first and he flips town then I can't do anything, I can't fake a red check, I can't perform my night ability. So you can't be persuaded by me. I wouldn't pick a fight with SK in this scenario. If he's town and I'm scum, I lost anyway.

I wanna ask you, who am I scum with? I just cleared sagebee and michelle as confirmed town when sk flips red, Alice has been on me the whole game, Naomi has been on me the whole game, moth and sk chose to vote me. Where's my buddy?

@Michelle @Naomi_Rose @Alice in Noodleland @Sagebee
 

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I've read the last posts but I am still in the rereading mode.
I feel I need to say something about the argument, and the simpler thing is: i will not change my vote. For this I have two reasons:
1. SK was protected by scum in night one
2. His interaction with AllRed in day one was too mild and understanding. (quoted them in a post today iirc)

While rereading earlier I picked up some quotes. Sorry for the wall :)

It's actually easier to town read players than it is to scum read. It's inherently harder to scum read and expect to have good accuracy, especially if you're a superficial town player. Town are dumber (because they are uninformed) and so they will do stupid stuff that looks natural. Scum can't do that, because they are smarter (informed) and it's hard to stage that up in a manner that looks townie. Have you heard about the saying "A good machine gun will chose it's owner?" Only scum hunting is done by players that have A LOT of experience, the elite players, the 0.1 percentile. Even the best players begin by establishing a town core on day one.

If you find a good town core, then you don't even have to do scum hunting. Scum are put into a box and you just keep extracting from it.

And I do have reads and focused elsewhere. I have a 4 person town block that I have faith in for now. Game's rather slow.

I literally just gave my reads on 6 to 7 people that have been posting a bit.

And my town reads are just fine, unless you disagree with me? Ansa is bleeding town, that's my strongest read, yes. But Michelle and SK are right behind. They're still town reads, just to a lesser degree of confidence.

There's nothing worse for a mafia to experience then someone clearing their mislynch options. They'll crumble under pressure and will out themselves in the process.
mixing in this post town reads and constructive pro town theory, if TSQ is scum he is digging his own grave.
Get a new jutsu
I liked he didn't get involved in a wordy post here. If he wanted to push a mislynch the possibility was the highest in that moment because Paperboi played his second game and he was town for the first time. He was slightly pushed by almost everyone, (that's why is impossible for my logic to be the night 1 mafia kill) and if TSQ would put his convincing force just a little into lynching Paperboi he would be followed.
Seemed, I think, I believe, It appears, as if...All of those phrases are what scum use to build up cases. Scum push on things that can look / look scummy, villagers push on things that are more likely to flip scum.

As for the town to scum

Me - Ansa - SK - Michelle - The Lukundo - Alice - Houtarou - All_Red - Kyte - PaperBoi

Rest of them haven’t posted enough or anything of relevance
SK in day one was in TRs for TSQ
I think when she said this its a sincere Wincon telling.

As for you Konan Statusquo is very likely a town.
Ansa's read as 3rd part on TSQ is as valuable as a read of a townie for me.
The top five except Paper boi is subbed in for status and my scumread is Kyte. That’s all for now. If I have to have a TR rating.

SK-Paperboi-Michelle-Ansa
Also Luke TRed SK in day one.

Kyte_: 3 (Thestatusquo, Ansatsuken, TheLukundo)


i want to vote for Statusquo to tie it but at the same time i want to see the alignment of Kyte . the three votes is is clearly a good start to hunt for the scum.
Alice choose the active player over the inactive one.
Alright I hate my time zone sometimes. Will take me more than 30 minutes to get back home and my phone is at 5%

I see people wanna lynch kyte. While he is not looking too hot right now. He could be very valuable for townies if he Is one. So, honestly I prefer to lynch one of those players who are afk or always look scummy like Alice instead.

As for kyte we will get better read on him in dp2
SK if scum knows that Kyte will flip green so the defense it's made to get town points. I gave them to him, so I am conscious about this possibility.
I don't understand how some people playing this game. They weren't trying to scum Hunt but when they see other players voting someone they start suspecting those players.
I just like this post. It's not AI but makes a good sense.
VoteLynch: Corazon
this vote, i don't think a town with 1% on phone has to vote, it's better to abstain.
If i dont survive the night. give corazon a chance. You can grill him next time.
this looks townier tbh.
@Kyte_ has been lynched, their role were Apple Tea.
You are a 3-shot Tracker.
- Chose a player at night and see who they will visit that night. (Limited to 3 shots)
@PaperBoiKonan has been killed, their role was Darjeeling Tea.
You are an Even Night Watcher.
- Chose a player at night and see who their visitors are that night.
these are the first townies we lost.
No one shows the alignament of the targeted players

I picked up the reads for SK to see the further progressions.

bbl
 

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also the only reason youre pushing soul as scum over me is because you are inferior and cannot defeat me in a debate of wits
i remember I asked you a question yesterday. Can you answer? se below:

would make zero sense for our town to have 2 watchers, 2 trackers and 2 cops.

somebodys totally full of shit
give me please your full train of thoughts here.
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alice and sage both know im town so you can probably not waste your breath. you should be convincing naomi im scum but you arent, whys that ;)
How they know you are town?
 

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Moth, I’m confirmed town, what mercy am I begging for?

If it’s anything, you should be praying for it. If only you would’ve known what unholy retribution was about to unleash upon you...

So basically you have the job to sell me on either sage or naomi, good luck. I gave you the notice so you could prepare in advance.
 

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And another thing.

If SK flips red, then Alice can’t be mafia.

So moth, instead of Alice, you hide behind Naomi. If you change targets, you get lynched.

If moth doesn’t die tomorrow, lynch him.
 
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