[Game] Drinks of Sophistication - Mafia Game #20

[AngelusSama]

@Michelle you should read this.

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[SoulKiller]

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Oh look the new kid wanna play around a bit i see. Let's see what he got.

SoulKiller, has lynched Ansatsuken with reasonings which I think mostly a made up/evident less reasonings just to moved his agenda forward.

Made up evident? How can you make made up evidents? I am pretty sure most players saw my reasoning for voting off ansa.

Keep in mind SoulKiller that you're lynching a lone Wolf and not Mafia. So there's no town points for you.

Did you figure this out yourself or did somebody tell you? I even mentioned it at the beginning of this DP that i was disappointed he flipped serial killer.

Firstly, How someone that performed a counter voting always be a scum? That can be believable true if that person counter voting just for the sake of counter voting without any reasoning at all. A plain counter voting. So Why when Luku voted you to counter your vote you didn't see that as a Scum move?

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Did you...... did you just compare luke vote with ansa? please tell me you did not....... Should I even continue reading your wallie? I am legit debating if i should dumb down myself to explain the difference here.

Then,



But Ansa did actually giving his reasoning to vote Michelle. But Lukundo doesn't. He just plain counter voting but you're ok with that. Why its ok for Lukundo but its not ok for Ansatsuken? I think there could be some reason why you want Ansatsuken die that badly and not Lukundo.
So for me using this instance(counter voting) to suspect him was not really a good point to be fair.

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Oh boi he is actually comparing the two LMAO! I am not gonna even bother with this point. Looks like a desperate attempt to try and throw mud my way and it's super bad. Did you even read the thread? the reason I voted for ansa was completely different and that vote on luke was a meme.

Secondly you said you've found him slipped but after reading and rereading Ansatsuken's interactions with Michelle I couldn't find any evidence of slipping.

That's the difference between a competent townie who can actually sniff out fakeness and can actually catch people when they do a mistake and a regular townie (*cough* you *cough*)

I just found someone who defending himself, and his early actions(accusations) towards Michelle. Michelle voted him not based on those accusations but if I understand correctly it based on "what should Ansatsuken do if he's a town". All the interactions after the votes happened were all about Ansatsuken trying to explain to Michelle that he never seriously trying to accused/shading/framing Michelle. So can you show me the evidence that Ansa was slipping. Because you've said "this is the reason I'm voting Ansatsuken". How an accusations and not being serious on every accusations a proof of scum slips?

You compared my luke vote with ansa and somehow occusing me for being scummy for it when both are not even close to one another it's not even funny. That alone honestly is making me this close to just dumb on this entire argument of yours because you are clearly not paying attention to the game. You found out he was defending himself and nothing wrong with his interactions with michelle? well damn good thing I am here around to sniff out stuff like that. Otherwise, we would probably be burned barbecue at some point in the game.

Asking me for evidence? go reread page 13. I think i explained myself pretty well there.

Third, you're just faking to have any concerns on Kyte but actually you're not. If you really wanted Kyte to be alive to help town(because you think he's better than Corazon) you would try to save him from the lynch by opposing Ansatsuken's POV and convinced him that lynching Kyte is a mistake. I think you wanted Kyte gone and you also wanted Ansa gone. And you aware right that Ansatsuken was not the only player who voted Kyte. You can see Thestatusquo and Lukundo being among the voters. If Ansatsuken unvote Kyte still going to die and you know that. Then again you dismissed Lukundo and went straight focusing on Ansatsuken. As you've townreading Thestatusquo. You ignored him too. So here I think Ansatsuken must be something to you.

Damn, so now you know if i have fake concerns or not? what else do you know? you can tell what I think too? if so then please let me know cause sometimes I wanna know myself.

I thought i explained myself pretty well. I was in the middle of a hike and when i saw the lynch which was kyte i expressed my opinion about it. I know kyte personally so I know he would be a capable townie and help us actually. Keep in mind that kyte was not really looking hot himself. I am obviously not gonna hop in and defend hard a person who is not even helping himself. Especially since I was unsure he was townie or mafia at that time. But I would of preferred to lynch an inactive like i explained many times already over kyte because we could of read him better.

Fourth, in the first DP you're not contributing that much. You're not even scum hunting at least before you vote. I have visited your previous game(Mangaka game) and looked into it. A clear contrast I can found from you inside that game and inside this game. You managed to find one scum in the first DP of that game using your read. Quite precise. What I'm trying to tell you here SoulKiller is that you're scum hunting there but in the 1DP of this game you've skipped scum hunting entirely. You just came back to vote the Inactive player and called it a day. How I'm seeing you right now? You are just like a wolf that waiting for your pray to do a mistake.

Using previous games that has nothing to do with this game to make a point is scummy as hell and looks very desperate. You are not helping your case here at all my friend.

Yes you're voting a Lone Wolf(an anti town) but your reasonings as to me have a weak ground and felt really, really made up. You're not doing any justice to your read and reasoning.

Excuse me for thinking i caught scum and he turned out to be lone wolf. My arguments according to you that they felt weak and shallow but it caught us a serial killer didn't it? I am pretty sure if you were leading townie we would of probably mislynched a townie. Using ansa flip as an accusation against me is also desperate and weak and looks like you trying to get your hands on any straw no matter how dirty it is.

And in this DP you've said "Oh Ansa is not scum". Where before this you're really confident that Ansa is scum(mafia). Plus the 'Like' you received from All_Red upped the meter much higher.

Yes ofcourse I was confident that ansa was scum last DP because based on my reads on him I thought he was for sure scum. Obviously after flipping serial killer I realized that i was little bit off the mark in my reads.

As for the "like" point you trying to point. I am not even gonna bother with that. If you use stuff like these to throw dirt my way then you need to reevaluate your entire playstyle.

So you're my other suspect right now.

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You have a really really petty case if this is why I am your suspect.

Try again with a more well put together case and try again. Cause this entire thing looks like a desperate attempt to make a case. It actually is not helping your case as well too.

Gonna head out right now and will be back later and catch up with the thread.

 

[Naomi_Rose]

Question, Can there be two type watcher in this sort of game? Or it's only even/odd. I recall past game where there was full role. some people had along with odd/even.



Also @angelsama, you sound like scum, along with michelle.

Oh naomi did not scum hunt??? Really i even pointed out sus of some players (how i play) when i point this out.

Apparently you think everyone gonna be trigger vote lynch happy? Instead playing correct/safe from actions to see who lying??

 

[Naomi_Rose]

@TheLukundo compared to last day phase, your post sound annoyed no one believing you. Which makes me inclined to believe you did get poison. (but then again i don't know if you pulled this kinda stunt while scum in past plays??)



@Alice in Noodleland

 

[AL_sama]

Dayvig : Michelle

this won't count if this is a vote

 

[Michelle]

scum, along with michelle.

Don't link me with anyone, this goes into a wrong reasoning in the future.
Why am I scum for you?

 

[Michelle]

this won't count

Dayvig : Michelle

Thanks for confirmation coach ^^

 

[AL_sama]

 

[Naomi_Rose]

The main thing that everyone missed is that a watcher doesn't check for who the selected target visit. The watcher sees who visited the selected target.

What All_Red described to us is a Tracker, not a Watcher. So that in itself is a slip big enough to like raise awareness.

Now, why would she do that? No god damn idea. As scum, you're just letting yourself die, for no reason. It's just a stupid play.

This is when I considered the option of jester? Idk if you guys use it often on these forums.

All_Red's obviously lying regardless.

A 5 evil setup against 8 goodies seems way too unbalanced though.

That is a good point! about tracker description!

How do you know she is telling teh truth in this situation? Has she ever reported anything to town if she is watcher? Only one of us is watcher, I because I'm not as "sinsere" as Michelle look like I'm lying. I cant fix that, so you have my word agasint hers.


You want details, ask:
I used my ability on Michelle last np. What I recived was that Michelle, in the pm's words, visited a player. A player, if it was Luke or not, I dont know. But Visted a player. The next day, Luke says he was poisoned. I connected the dots. And boom. She has to be scum.


I dunno what to say to you to believe me. So I conceed. If you want to find me guilty, you will. I have spoken.

Highlight.

 

[Naomi_Rose]

Don't link me with anyone, this goes into a wrong reasoning in the future.
Why am I scum for you?

Your play style, also again with this question??? I still don't know how you play or others. As explained before. So excuse me for not trusting 100% (But i will say town lean, but you still sound like scum to me)

Also We Lynch Red, imo her slip as tracker while claiming watcher.

Vote Lynch All Red

Her slip was tracker, description as pointed out


I'm not sure about Luke, but if he protect as he claims. Prob red why trying to use him as motive to lynch you.

Or they are both scum fishing for protect roles. etc.

 

[Michelle]

It's just 8:30 pm but I am tired and I will take a nap. Maybe sleep all night, who knows.
Cya later anyway, since the day vig is a big fat lie

 

[Michelle]

So excuse me for not trusting 100% (But i will say town lean, but you still sound like scum to me)

I am used with scum reads towards me and i respect more a scum read than a not correct town read. The reason is more important than the read.

 

[Naomi_Rose]

1. All_Red - jester
2. SoulKiller - town
3. TheLukundo - town
4. Naomi_Rose - scum
5. Michelle - town (???)
6. Houtarou > mothbomb - scum
7. Konno > AngelusSama - town
8. Corazon > Sagebee - scum
9. Alice in Noodleland - town
10. TSQ - town

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All red - jester / scum -> she lied about being watcher, confirmed. Confirmed evil, just don't know what.
SK - (probably) town. This is moreso a deduction based on Michelle's information than his posts. Transporter would probably need to out himself and say if he transported SK and paperboi.
Naomi - scum
Michelle -
Angelus - town
Sagebee - scum. didn't do anything other than saying " sk and tsq popped out to me". Of course, we're high posters, but what does that even mean? "Pop out". Good way, bad way? His reasoning for suspecting SK is really shallow, mafia level shallow.
Alice - ??????

Team includes Moth as scum and Naomi as town BTW

Luke, i agree with this.

I think Naomi is scum because she TMI'd SK town and she gave a read on Alice that had 2 posts but still couldn't give a read on Houtarou.

This is biased thinking as I see Naomi scum with Houtarou because when I asked her about what she thinks on Houtarou, she kept hedging, saying he doesn't have a lot of posts, etc. I read it more as scum hedge than town hedge.

She can town read a 2 poster based on "interesting" but can't issue a read on Houtarou.

Btw, she made him red saying he needs to be active and therefore she said he's scum ,but when I asked her to make another read she kept hedging and avoiding an actual read with reasons.

If you also look at her questions, they don't really serve for deducing people's alignments.

The shading is real, Look who talking who scum read kyte, and paper

I asked her about what she thinks on Houtarou, she kept hedging, saying he doesn't have a lot of posts,

So first day i have to have god reads??? What bs! And i even stated he prob not online to post because of his internet, which he confirmed later it was down.

She can town read a 2 poster based on "interesting" but can't issue a read on Houtarou.

So basically, i should give my reads on potential town. to make them targeted by Mafia?? I see other saying Alice is town while having low post. But here you are here whining i gave her a pass. because i said interesting. Good grief.

Btw, she made him red saying he needs to be active and therefore she said he's scum ,but when I asked her to make another read she kept hedging and avoiding an actual read with reasons.

If you also look at her questions, they don't really serve for deducing people's alignments.

I gave my response and said he prob scum/ there not enough to go on. and his internet was down. You are scum imo for twisting my reason and explanation.

Hello scum invest, someone shoot him. when you see my role

Scum lean update

Angel Sama-scum, made excuse i was not scum hunting, but i was in my own way.
STatus-scum -has problem reading, and twisting what is say
Michelle--50/50 - keeps calling me scum,

 

[Naomi_Rose]

I am used with scum reads towards me and i respect more a scum read than a not correct town read. The reason is more important than the read.

That fine, people who act with reason/read on person being 100% town is sus, unless they know something.

So i'll be 50/50 for you till i get more confident in reading you!

 

[Naomi_Rose]

Unvote

 

[Naomi_Rose]

If Luke was poisoned.

It would show, someone was poisoned in this sort of game?

Usually it only someone attempted to kill ?? But failed message from the host.

 

[Naomi_Rose]

For people calling Red scum, (which i agree after seeing her slip, as tracker description)

Why the sudden jester idea and avoid her lynch? To me it looked like she was trying to kill the real watcher (if she did use fake claim)


So, putting her off to the side, is sus. (As people have been on her case, yet we have no results/actions to back it up til now??)

 

[AngelusSama]

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Oh look the new kid wanna play around a bit i see. Let's see what he got.

Shall we.

Made up evident? How can you make made up evidents? I am pretty sure most players saw my reasoning for voting off ansa.

Lol you think Scum couldn't made up things to frame another scum. You sure are naive player. I've seen it numbers of time before. They turned a minor detail into a big deal by twisting the situation and inventing a case using that minor detail. Most of the minor details can be seen in both ways, not having a scum tell or having a scum tell. But Scum chose the later. An example from this game, look at the cases Thestatusquo made against Houtaru. I've read all Houtaru's posts and I didn't find any post that clearly defined as scum post. Most of the posts provide Houtaru with a room for counter argument that can make sense. Its because it's a 50/50 posts. But Scum will spin this kind of post towards negativity.

Yes they probably see your reasoning but why Michelle voted Ansatsuken using her own reason? and why Thestatusquo took his time to voted Ansatsuken? Clearly they're not following your reasoning there. But their own thinking. Lol you even need to begged people like a failed direct seller.

Did you figure this out yourself or did somebody tell you? I even mentioned it at the beginning of this DP that i was disappointed he flipped serial killer.

Thus you've open up yourself to any possibility that people might come up when reading you. Being a scum is one of it.

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Did you...... did you just compare luke vote with ansa? please tell me you did not....... Should I even continue reading your wallie? I am legit debating if i should dumb down myself to explain the difference here.

Keep in mind I never know any of you before so no idea how people here playing this game. Their playing style. So I write down anything there from my honest PoV. Anything I said based on rational observations and not based on player's META. You all already know that Lukundo likes joking around but not me.

But still looking at Ansatsuken's vote as a scum move really demand an answer. This's one of 50/50 type of situation. Its either you catch the right thing or not. In your case fortunately you're catching the right thing. And it's end there.

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Oh boi he is actually comparing the two LMAO! I am not gonna even bother with this point. Looks like a desperate attempt to try and throw mud my way and it's super bad. Did you even read the thread? the reason I voted for ansa was completely different and that vote on luke was a meme.

Ansa's vote was part of your entire reasoning.

"Was a meme" you said this after Lukundo pointed it out to me just recently.

That's the difference between a competent townie who can actually sniff out fakeness and can actually catch people when they do a mistake and a regular townie (*cough* you *cough*)

I failed to see the fakeness and Mistakes but still congratulation on catching a lone wolf using your idea sthat you believe were true/right but actually just a made up things.

Ok look how I flip you to be scum and there should be no question after that.

You compared my luke vote with ansa and somehow occusing me for being scummy for it when both are not even close to one another it's not even funny. That alone honestly is making me this close to just dumb on this entire argument of yours because you are clearly not paying attention to the game. You found out he was defending himself and nothing wrong with his interactions with michelle? well damn good thing I am here around to sniff out stuff like that. Otherwise, we would probably be burned barbecue at some point in the game.

If I'm going to suspect Ansatsuken the moment he's scumreading and suspecting Michelle seriously in the Day Second that's the turning point for him. He even showed uncooperative behavior when Michelle demand him to be more cooperative. He continued to throw shade on Michelle. I agreed with Ansatsuken that All_Red look Scummy but putting Michelle with All_Red together is very wrong. So here he could be trying to make Michelle look guilty if All_Red flipped Scum and move his plan forward that's lynching one of very active and strong town, Michelle. This should spells his end.

Asking me for evidence? go reread page 13. I think i explained myself pretty well there.

I wanted an evidence. His exact posts that you think he has slipped badly because of these kids of posts and not your wallies.

Damn, so now you know if i have fake concerns or not? what else do you know? you can tell what I think too? if so then please let me know cause sometimes I wanna know myself.

You're Mafia in this game. Deep inside your soul you know that I speak the truth about you. I dare to going naked, snap a picture and post the picture here if I'm wrong about you.

I thought i explained myself pretty well. I was in the middle of a hike and when i saw the lynch which was kyte i expressed my opinion about it. I know kyte personally so I know he would be a capable townie and help us actually. Keep in mind that kyte was not really looking hot himself. I am obviously not gonna hop in and defend hard a person who is not even helping himself. Especially since I was unsure he was townie or mafia at that time. But I would of preferred to lynch an inactive like i explained many times already over kyte because we could of read him better.

But why only Ansatsuken was getting a bad call from you? Why you're not calling out the other two voters that also play a part in the mislynch?

And I'm really against voting true Afk player no matter the reason.

Using previous games that has nothing to do with this game to make a point is scummy as hell and looks very desperate. You are not helping your case here at all my friend.

It still can be used for a reference. It always applicable inside many situation.

Your town play, your mafia play and your indie wolf play.

You will retain/apply some of your playing trait/style/behaviour from your previous game when playing as any of these alignments in your current and future game.

RN I'm able to see a contrasting play from you.

Excuse me for thinking i caught scum and he turned out to be lone wolf. My arguments according to you that they felt weak and shallow but it caught us a serial killer didn't it? I am pretty sure if you were leading townie we would of probably mislynched a townie. Using ansa flip as an accusation against me is also desperate and weak and looks like you trying to get your hands on any straw no matter how dirty it is.

By luck and not from well explained cases. No one really looking into your reasoning and reacted like Lukundo when finding are good reasoning. That means they weren't really share/support your viewpoint towards Ansatsuken. The only thing they see on you was that you're playing like a town.

Yes ofcourse I was confident that ansa was scum last DP because based on my reads on him I thought he was for sure scum. Obviously after flipping serial killer I realized that i was little bit off the mark in my reads.

So your finally admitted that your read not always precise. So it really confirmed that most of the points inside your reasoning were actually a made up points. You didn't care about Ansatsuken's alignment and you only wanted him gone for good.

As for the "like" point you trying to point. I am not even gonna bother with that. If you use stuff like these to throw dirt my way then you need to reevaluate your entire playstyle.

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You have a really really petty case if this is why I am your suspect.

Try again with a more well put together case and try again. Cause this entire thing looks like a desperate attempt to make a case. It actually is not helping your case as well too.

Gonna head out right now and will be back later and catch up with the thread.

If I lynch you and you flipped Scum it very well cementing my position as villager so I'm going to earn that in the next DP.

 

[Rej]

Midway Votecounts:
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Chronical Voting Order:
Thestatusquo -> mothbomb
All_Red -> Michelle
mothbomb -> All_Red
Michelle -> All_Red
SoulKiller -> All_Red
AngelusSama -> All_Red
TheLukundo -> Michelle
TheLukundo ->
TheLukundo -> Michelle
TheLukundo -> AngelusSama
Michelle ->
Naomi_Rose -> All_Red
Naomi_Rose ->

Votecount:
mothbomb: 1 (Thestatusquo)
Michelle: 1 (All_Red)
All_Red: 3 (mothbomb, SoulKiller, AngelusSama)
AngelusSama: 1 (TheLukundo)



Check if I missed something. A bit less than 24 hours left.

 

[AngelusSama]

Luke, i agree with this.




The shading is real, Look who talking who scum read kyte, and paper



So first day i have to have god reads??? What bs! And i even stated he prob not online to post because of his internet, which he confirmed later it was down.



So basically, i should give my reads on potential town. to make them targeted by Mafia?? I see other saying Alice is town while having low post. But here you are here whining i gave her a pass. because i said interesting. Good grief.


I gave my response and said he prob scum/ there not enough to go on. and his internet was down. You are scum imo for twisting my reason and explanation.

Hello scum invest, someone shoot him. when you see my role

Scum lean update

Angel Sama-scum, made excuse i was not scum hunting, but i was in my own way.
STatus-scum -has problem reading, and twisting what is say
Michelle--50/50 - keeps calling me scum,

You said you're in your way, so that means you're just starting, so that means what I'm saying about you was right lol

So null read on you getting me scum read in return