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Adult Sasuke | Gaiden Sakura | Karin | Jugo | Suigetsu | Shikamaru |

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Adult Naruto (NOT Rusty) w/ mokuton, juubi, ftg, shinsenjuu, and Kaguya speed, and Kaguya Chakra

Sasuke killed Hinata to prevent the moon people from getting her eyes and Naruto now wants to destroy Konoha with the Juubi. Can the new gen Shadow of the Leaf use his resources to save the village?
 

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What is with all these unbalanced threads? Obviously Naruto wins if you give Sasuke weak partners, and give Sasuke himself no buff.
 

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Adult Sasuke | Gaiden Sakura | Karin | Jugo | Suigetsu | Shikamaru |

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Adult Naruto (NOT Rusty) w/ mokuton, juubi, ftg, shinsenjuu, and Kaguya speed, and Kaguya Chakra

Sasuke killed Hinata to prevent the moon people from getting her eyes and Naruto now wants to destroy Konoha with the Juubi. Can the new gen Shadow of the Leaf use his resources to save the village?
No he can't. Terrible thread.
 

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Naruto of course. Adult Sasuke is the only threat the others are non factor and Naruto defeats Sasuke.
 

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What is with all these unbalanced threads? Obviously Naruto wins if you give Sasuke weak partners, and give Sasuke himself no buff.

I make a team with unique abilities to make people think. Like a well placed Shadow Possession or mind transfer. They complement each other. Hint: Susanoo makes a nice shadow.
 

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I make a team with unique abilities to make people think. Like a well placed Shadow Possession or mind transfer. They complement each other. Hint: Susanoo makes a nice shadow.

Which is counteracted by putting them against a person so strong that it doesn't matter. How does Susanoo's shadow even help them here when Shikamaru should be trying to bind the opponent, not his partner?

This match up is unbalanced. Beyond unbalanced. You put Sasuke, and a bunch of non Rikudo buffed characters against Adult Naruto w/ Kaguya level chakra and speed, along with the Juubi and some extra abilities. :lol what?
 

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Which is counteracted by putting them against a person so strong that it doesn't matter. How does Susanoo's shadow even help them here when Shikamaru should be trying to bind the opponent, not his partner?

This match up is unbalanced. Beyond unbalanced. You put Sasuke, and a bunch of non Rikudo buffed characters against Adult Naruto w/ Kaguya level chakra and speed, along with the Juubi and some extra abilities. :lol what?

Shikamaru's Shadow extends from himself, and his shadow will be enlarged due to being inside of the Susanoo. He is also intelligent enough to come up with a plan and exploit weaknesses: very valuable.

Sakura is an adept healer who can be rush at a juubi jin and walk away from it. She has also shown the ability to provide chakra to people, and at a large volume, the type shikamaru would need to bind Naruto: Very Valuable

Karin has the ability to heal almost any injury with heal bite, and has chakra chains capable of restraining the Kyuubi. She also can sense the build up of chakra and with shikamaru, coordinate attacks: Very Valuable

Juugo can save Sasukes life at the cost of a power down. He can also enhance his susanoo: valuable

Suigetsu can liquify and with enough water, he can shield a tbb from the Eight Tails, and would not have to be in the susanoo. He could possibly ride the cerebrus.

Sasuke has a new mastery over the rinnegan, this includes animal path, and it's summonings which he should be able to cloak in susanoo and make shadow clones to cloak the others

My idea is, Sasuke summons Aoda, the Hawk, and Cerebrus. Shikamaru and Karin Take the Hawk, Jugo and Suigetsu take Cerebrus, and Sasuke and Sakura take Aoda. Sasuke makes two shadow clones, and, with Sakura's chakra, makes PS clones, who protect the other two teams. Shikamaru positions the Hawks shadow and can bind Naruto, which of course will be very brief, but this will provide an opening for Sasuke to attack, using Jugo and Suigetsu as a distraction by giving them the strongest summoning. This will undoubtedly happen at least twice, due to Naruto not being the brightest, and he will waste a ton of chakra taking out Cerberus. Sakura can summon Katsuya, who is like Suigetsu, in that physical attacks do not harm her. Katsuya can remotely heal, and keep Naruto moving (due to not being wake to be bound by Anything ie mokuton) with acid spit. In the event that any of the summons are killed, Sasuke has many more at his disposal, that will protect the team. If Sasuke can get Naruto bound long enough to use Susanoo chidori, then it's over for Naruto.

The team isn't made to fight Naruto toe to toe. They're there to complement and provide openings. They all have very unique abilities. Paired with Ameno, they can be in the right place at the right time and pull a win.
 

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Shikamaru's Shadow extends from himself, and his shadow will be enlarged due to being inside of the Susanoo. He is also intelligent enough to come up with a plan and exploit weaknesses: very valuable.

-No plan he makes matters if his crew isn't powerful enough to execute it.
-His shadows are completely useless as they cannot bind Naruto.

Sakura is an adept healer who can be rush at a juubi jin and walk away from it. She has also shown the ability to provide chakra to people, and at a large volume, the type shikamaru would need to bind Naruto: Very Valuable
:lol Like every single thread where someone attempts to argue for the underdog, they end up ignoring their limits. Shikamaru cannot bind a Kaguya level opponent with his shadows when him and a squadron of Nara clansmen couldn't hold the Juubi w/o Naruto's chakra.

Karin has the ability to heal almost any injury with heal bite, and has chakra chains capable of restraining the Kyuubi. She also can sense the build up of chakra and with shikamaru, coordinate attacks: Very Valuable

:lol Once again, you are ignoring the limits of these characters in favor of your argument. Since when were Karin's chains strong enough to bind Kurama? That's Kushina's chains and they are not the same so please don't claim it. Not to mention Kaguya Level Naruto's Kurama Mode>>>>>>regular Kurama.

Juugo can save Sasukes life at the cost of a power down. He can also enhance his susanoo: valuable
Not really.

Suigetsu can liquify and with enough water, he can shield a tbb from the Eight Tails, and would not have to be in the susanoo. He could possibly ride the cerebrus.
Not really. You are reaching when it comes to the usefulness of these characters.

Sasuke has a new mastery over the rinnegan, this includes animal path, and it's summonings which he should be able to cloak in susanoo and make shadow clones to cloak the others
Sasuke being able to use PS w/ clones is fanfic. Not like it'd matter since Naruto can canonically make clones of his, let alone with Kaguya level chakra.

My idea is, Sasuke summons Aoda, the Hawk, and Cerebrus. Shikamaru and Karin Take the Hawk, Jugo and Suigetsu take Cerebrus, and Sasuke and Sakura take Aoda. Sasuke makes two shadow clones, and, with Sakura's chakra, makes PS clones, who protect the other two teams. Shikamaru positions the Hawks shadow and can bind Naruto, which of course will be very brief, but this will provide an opening for Sasuke to attack, using Jugo and Suigetsu as a distraction by giving them the strongest summoning. This will undoubtedly happen at least twice, due to Naruto not being the brightest, and he will waste a ton of chakra taking out Cerberus. Sakura can summon Katsuya, who is like Suigetsu, in that physical attacks do not harm her. Katsuya can remotely heal, and keep Naruto moving (due to not being wake to be bound by Anything ie mokuton) with acid spit. In the event that any of the summons are killed, Sasuke has many more at his disposal, that will protect the team. If Sasuke can get Naruto bound long enough to use Susanoo chidori, then it's over for Naruto.

:lol No.

1. Binding Naruto isn't happening when him and a platoon of Nara clansmen can't even bind the Juubi on their own, let alone someone far superior to the Juubi. Not to mention KCM Naruto canonically shrugged off shadow possession with the lowest amount of effort possible.

2. That ends any attack strategy you've listed here. Not to mention Sasuke won't be able to penetrate Naruto's Avatar regardless of Naruto being wide open.

3. Katsuyu is irrelevant. Killing the summoner means that the summon vanishes. Not to mention Naruto doesn't even use physical attacks for his main firepower. Bijuu Dama, BDFRS, Multiple BDFRS, any of those would kill Katsuyu, any summon on the field, and damage Sasuke's Susanoo.

Your strategy is poor tbh.

-They can't get through Naruto's Avatar and you haven't addressed that.
-They can't survive Naruto's attacks, and you haven't addressed that.
-You assumed that Naruto could be bound by something KCM Naruto broke with a twitch.
 

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-No plan he makes matters if his crew isn't powerful enough to execute it.
-His shadows are completely useless as they cannot bind Naruto.


:lol Like every single thread where someone attempts to argue for the underdog, they end up ignoring their limits. Shikamaru cannot bind a Kaguya level opponent with his shadows when him and a squadron of Nara clansmen couldn't hold the Juubi w/o Naruto's chakra.



:lol Once again, you are ignoring the limits of these characters in favor of your argument. Since when were Karin's chains strong enough to bind Kurama? That's Kushina's chains and they are not the same so please don't claim it. Not to mention Kaguya Level Naruto's Kurama Mode>>>>>>regular Kurama.


Not really.


Not really. You are reaching when it comes to the usefulness of these characters.


Sasuke being able to use PS w/ clones is fanfic. Not like it'd matter since Naruto can canonically make clones of his, let alone with Kaguya level chakra.



:lol No.

1. Binding Naruto isn't happening when him and a platoon of Nara clansmen can't even bind the Juubi on their own, let alone someone far superior to the Juubi. Not to mention KCM Naruto canonically shrugged off shadow possession with the lowest amount of effort possible.

2. That ends any attack strategy you've listed here. Not to mention Sasuke won't be able to penetrate Naruto's Avatar regardless of Naruto being wide open.

3. Katsuyu is irrelevant. Killing the summoner means that the summon vanishes. Not to mention Naruto doesn't even use physical attacks for his main firepower. Bijuu Dama, BDFRS, Multiple BDFRS, any of those would kill Katsuyu, any summon on the field, and damage Sasuke's Susanoo.

Your strategy is poor tbh.

-They can't get through Naruto's Avatar and you haven't addressed that.
-They can't survive Naruto's attacks, and you haven't addressed that.
-You assumed that Naruto could be bound by something KCM Naruto broke with a twitch.

First I'll address their durability and ability to evade Naruto's attacks.

Naruto cannot effectively fight them all at once. If he splits into a clone, 2 of the three teams have the ability to take it out, albeit, low diff for SasuSaku and High Diff For JugoSui with Cerberus. Furthermore, Sasuke has access to the Animal path, meaning that his hawk can easily replaced with the drilling beak bird, the centipede, or the rhino. Cerberus has been shown to be extremely tough, and paired with the ox and the rhino, should be able to slim the gap in destructive capabilities, but they will not take him out.

Sasuke has access to the asura path, which, in addition to augmenting physical strength, it grants great durability, which should be enough to take whatever is left of attack that breaks his susanoo.

With all of animal path on Narutos tail, he will have to make clones or use mokuton (which will have to be rebuilt due to Cerebrus' DC). If he manages to bind them, Sasuke still has the snakes of ryuuchi cave, which are nimble and durable.

The biggest advantage Sasuke will have, is the ability to know what Naruto is doing at all times, and I'm not talking about precog. Karin can sense the buildup and killing intent of chakra and relay that to her teammates, as well as tell if he is building senjutsu (although Sasuke doesn't need this). She can also sense chakra and paired with Shikamarus intelligence, she should be able to keep track of the real Naruto, while Animal Path Summons protect her and Shika.

At anytime, Sasuke can switch out his teammates and summons with Ameno. Sasuke using PS clones would be entirely dependent on his level of chakra, which he can absorb from Narutos arsenal, dependent on Ninjutsu.

Naruto will not and can not attempt to attack Sasuke close up, unless he would like to have his souls ripped out. He also can not afford time to play soul tug of war, if he doesn't want Juugo and Sakura to knock his arm off. Again Sasuke CQC speed should be enhanced by the multiple arms and blades asura path and shadow clones give him. Sasuke ALONE is superior in CQC due to the enhancement of the rinnegan.

In the event that Karin is being attacked, she can lower her chakra to unsensable proportions, making her far less susceptible to attack. And far more valuable.

None of Naruto's energy related attacks can kill Sasuke due to the Preta Path Barrier. Naruto has no such advantage, but does have increased durability. Needless to say, due to Sasuke being Samehada-like in his ability to physically absorb chakra, he will not run out. TSB should be easily evaded by Sasuke( in extension, people in his susanoo) and they are needed to form his rasenshurikens (which are useless)

Though all Jutsu are enhanced by added chakra, and Sakura has enough to open dimensions, I have no canonical proof that Shikamaru can bind Naruto, so I give you that.

If Naruto can only hit Sasuke using collateral damage and quick physical assault, then he will be forced to go into his avatar. While his summon will be rendered useless, Sasuke, using Sakura, and Juugo will be able to combat his avatar while Karin and Shikamaru do what little they can to bind him, which will require and amount of energy to break.

Saying Naruto clones himself is useless, because Sasuke will do a lower powered version, that should still be able to protect, but not destroy. In the event Naruto clones and attempts to kill Karin and Shikamaru, (Sasuke will have brought the battle aerial, so collateral will not be a large issue), he is susceptible to to attack.


Sasuke needs only to acheive unbalancing Naruto, which can easily be done using Deva Path and a Susanoo chidori to break the avatar (again, Hugo and Sakura are augmenting him, aside from whether or not he can manage to absorb chakra) and snatch his soul, where Karin and Shikamaru are cucial using chakra chains and shadow possession to disorient Naruto.
In the end

CQC: Sasuke's Team
Ninjutsu: Naruto (ineffective to Sasuke)
Defense:Naruto
Speed: Sasuke's Team (too many to attack effectively at once)
Intelligence: Easily Sasuke's team
Destruction: Easily Naruto's Team

In conclusion, the battle can go either way, but leans in Sasukes favor. If the battle is prolonged, Sasuke's team, aside from Karin, Sakura, and himself, will be rendered useless due to chakra exhaustion, causing a win for Naruto. It all depends on if you believe Sasuke has a great enough mastery over the rinnegan, and strong enough will and chakra to snatch narutos soul.

Think of how people work as a team instead of who > who
 
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First I'll address their durability and ability to evade Naruto's attacks.

Naruto cannot effectively fight them all at once. If he splits into a clone, 2 of the three teams have the ability to take it out, albeit, low diff for SasuSaku and High Diff For JugoSui with Cerberus. Furthermore, Sasuke has access to the Animal path, meaning that his hawk can easily replaced with the drilling beak bird, the centipede, or the rhino. Cerberus has been shown to be extremely tough, and paired with the ox and the rhino, should be able to slim the gap in destructive capabilities, but they will not take him out.

Sasuke has access to the asura path, which, in addition to augmenting physical strength, it grants great durability, which should be enough to take whatever is left of attack that breaks his susanoo.

With all of animal path on Narutos tail, he will have to make clones or use mokuton (which will have to be rebuilt due to Cerebrus' DC). If he manages to bind them, Sasuke still has the snakes of ryuuchi cave, which are nimble and durable.

The biggest advantage Sasuke will have, is the ability to know what Naruto is doing at all times, and I'm not talking about precog. Karin can sense the buildup and killing intent of chakra and relay that to her teammates, as well as tell if he is building senjutsu (although Sasuke doesn't need this). She can also sense chakra and paired with Shikamarus intelligence, she should be able to keep track of the real Naruto, while Animal Path Summons protect her and Shika.

At anytime, Sasuke can switch out his teammates and summons with Ameno. Sasuke using PS clones would be entirely dependent on his level of chakra, which he can absorb from Narutos arsenal, dependent on Ninjutsu.

Naruto will not and can not attempt to attack Sasuke close up, unless he would like to have his souls ripped out. He also can not afford time to play soul tug of war, if he doesn't want Juugo and Sakura to knock his arm off. Again Sasuke CQC speed should be enhanced by the multiple arms and blades asura path and shadow clones give him. Sasuke ALONE is superior in CQC due to the enhancement of the rinnegan.

In the event that Karin is being attacked, she can lower her chakra to unsensable proportions, making her far less susceptible to attack. And far more valuable.

None of Naruto's energy related attacks can kill Sasuke due to the Preta Path Barrier. Naruto has no such advantage, but does have increased durability. Needless to say, due to Sasuke being Samehada-like in his ability to physically absorb chakra, he will not run out. TSB should be easily evaded by Sasuke( in extension, people in his susanoo) and they are needed to form his rasenshurikens (which are useless)

Though all Jutsu are enhanced by added chakra, and Sakura has enough to open dimensions, I have no canonical proof that Shikamaru can bind Naruto, so I give you that.

If Naruto can only hit Sasuke using collateral damage and quick physical assault, then he will be forced to go into his avatar. While his summon will be rendered useless, Sasuke, using Sakura, and Juugo will be able to combat his avatar while Karin and Shikamaru do what little they can to bind him, which will require and amount of energy to break.

Saying Naruto clones himself is useless, because Sasuke will do a lower powered version, that should still be able to protect, but not destroy. In the event Naruto clones and attempts to kill Karin and Shikamaru, (Sasuke will have brought the battle aerial, so collateral will not be a large issue), he is susceptible to to attack.


Sasuke needs only to acheive unbalancing Naruto, which can easily be done using Deva Path and a Susanoo chidori to break the avatar (again, Hugo and Sakura are augmenting him, aside from whether or not he can manage to absorb chakra) and snatch his soul, where Karin and Shikamaru are cucial using chakra chains and shadow possession to disorient Naruto.
In the end

CQC: Sasuke's Team
Ninjutsu: Naruto (ineffective to Sasuke)
Defense:Naruto
Speed: Sasuke's Team (too many to attack effectively at once)
Intelligence: Easily Sasuke's team
Destruction: Easily Naruto's Team

In conclusion, the battle can go either way, but leans in Sasukes favor. If the battle is prolonged, Sasuke's team, aside from Karin, Sakura, and himself, will be rendered useless due to chakra exhaustion, causing a win for Naruto. It all depends on if you believe Sasuke has a great enough mastery over the rinnegan, and strong enough will and chakra to snatch narutos soul.

Think of how people work as a team instead of who > who

1. Asura Path is not durable to take anything that can break Sasuke's Susanoo outright. Just another assumption on your part that only flies if we ignore the limits of said abilities. Multiple BDFRS, as used in canon, obliterate Sasuke's Susanoo with little difficulty.

2. CQC is irrelevant when the battle will not come down to that. Not like Sasuke would win considering Naruto is faster than him, stronger than him, more durable than him and has more firepower than him in close quarters to boot.

3. Preta Path is irrelevant. If Sasuke foolishly decides to rely on Preta Path, then Naruto kills him with physical attacks or the Gudo Dama, which can't be absorbed. Or he just lobs 6 BDFRS at Sasuke and his squad and watch as they die. Karin hiding her presence is irrelevant.

4. So? No enhancement Sakura can provide is relevant here.

5. There is no lower powered version of his Susanoo that will protect them from Naruto's assault when not even his strongest Susanoo is strong enough to protect them.

6. Deva Path does nothing, why are you still claiming that Chidori breaks the Avatar when:

-You've provided zero evidence.
-PS Chidori and BD clashed in canon and the explosion didn't come close to destroying Naruto's Avatar, and Naruto powered by Kaguya level chakra's Avatar>>>The Last Naruto>>>Manga Naruto when it comes to Avatar durability, strength and pretty much all areas of combat. Jugo and Sakura's boost is irrelevant.

Naruto tanks Sasuke's attack, and then obliterates it with Bijuu Dama.

CQC: Naruto by far.
Ninjutsu: Naruto by far.
Defense: Naruto by far.
Speed: Naruto by far.
Intelligence: Irrelevant.
Destruction: Naruto.

Stop trying so hard to make them work together that you end up ignoring their limits and ignoring Naruto's strengths. It's silly.
 

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Wait, are you trying to say that Suigeitsu "tanking" (aka being reduced to inanimate jelly) a tailed beast ball, can somehow, be valuable against a foe that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hachibi ?

Shikamaru and the others get taken out by a shockwave made by Naruto's running, being smart and all is nice but Shikamaru will die at the first attack, which will also kill every other member of the team.
 
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Adult Naruto solos even without the buffs you gave him.
 

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Wait, are you trying to say that Suigeitsu "tanking" (aka being reduced to inanimate jelly) a tailed beast ball, can somehow, be valuable against a foe that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hachibi ?

Shikamaru and the others get taken out by a shockwave made by Naruto's running, being smart and all is nice but Shikamaru will die at the first attack, which will also kill every other member of the team.

You sound very ignorant. Sasuke can carry them into his Susanoo. Did you read?
 

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The Susanoo that get busted at the first attack ?
 
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