[VS] Drake vs Kid

[Punk Hazard]

Kidd because of his rival portal towards Luffy.

Has KID actually received portrayal that indicates he's Luffy's main rival?

 

[Love Cook]

Has KID actually received portrayal that indicates he's Luffy's main rival?

Yes Riker, don't you know that he was sitting at the auction and looking intimidating ?

Also when he walked out with Law and Luffy is holy trifecta confirmed and Illuminati trinity. And walking next to Luffy means equal.

Also 2 supernova's have supernova underlings, so Kidd gets the henchmen multiplier.

Kid would win. Plot also restricted him one shotting a Pacifista just so it wouldn't seem like he was that much above the Strawhats. Drake wields blades right? Kid is the Magneto of Op he would disarm and attack drake with his own blade.

Ah plot restriction, because he was miles above the rest of the supernova's apparently.

Also the magneto of OP wasn't able to release Zoro's blades from his grip in the auction hall. So there goes your little fantasy. His powers aren't that strong.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes Riker, don't you know that he was sitting at the auction and looking intimidating ?

Also when he walked out with Law and Luffy is holy trifecta confirmed and Illuminati trinity. And walking next to Luffy means equal.

Also 2 supernova's have supernova underlings, so Kidd gets the henchmen multiplier.

How could I be so blind, you're right.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

How could I be so blind, you're right.

And the thread can now move on.

 

[ToshiZO]

Dude it's in your own posts, bounty by killing civilians only makes up like 3% of the bounty. You pulled that out of your ass. So no you forgot about what Shakky said, because it took you 3 points to get to that point.

Lmao no, that is one of the most talked about panels on the forum regarding Kidd. There is no way I would forget about such an obvious panel.

This is why I said he would still have a 300 million bounty despite that, otherwise if that panel didn't exist I would outright say he has a 315 mil bounty.

What Shakky said was its higher than Luffy's because of that, not that his entire bounty is based off that ffs, use common sense. You don't get a bounty of 315 mil simply killing civilians. Any East blue pirate can do that much. Kidd would still be in the 300 mil range.

Having a supernova underling means shit. Did Zoro make Luffy stronger against the pacifista on sabaody ? No he still needs to fight on his own. Same goes for Killer and Kidd. But Drake on his own did better than all other supernova's against a pacifista and even is working alongside Kaidou now after attacking his territory first. So Drake is not some kind of scrub that overestimates his power, that title goes to Kidd who got put in a cage by Kaidou.

The only thing I'm willing to give Kidd is that he has bigger growth potential like chopstick said. But pre-skip they were not on his level.

I'm not gonna sit here and spend any more time on an argument that is filled with opinions at the core for both sides. You believe Drake is stronger? Good for you, I don't really care. Like I said I can dive deeper into how Kidd has better portrayal, but it won't mean anything, you will just say Drake scenes were of higher portrayal anyway, because it is such an assumption based topic.

Has KID actually received portrayal that indicates he's Luffy's main rival?

Lmao no shit he has. Luffy's main supernova rivals were portrayed to be Law and Kidd, back in Saboady, what does main rival mean anyway?

Main Supernova rival is the only thing that matters, Luffy hardly even knows Drake exists, nor has Drake ever shown any interest in Luffy. Kidd on the other hand has shown interest in Luffy's movements plenty of times, and Luffy has to a smaller extent as well.

 

[Punk Hazard]

And the thread can now move on.

So you have no proof of this portrayal then?

 

[Love Cook]

Lmao no, that is one of the most talked about panels on the forum regarding Kidd. There is no way I would forget about such an obvious panel.

This is why I said he would still have a 300 million bounty despite that, otherwise if that panel didn't exist I would outright say he has a 315 mil bounty.

What Shakky said was its higher than Luffy's because of that, not that his entire bounty is based off that ffs, use common sense. You don't get a bounty of 315 mil simply killing civilians. Any East blue pirate can do that much. Kidd would still be in the 300 mil range.



I'm not gonna sit here and spend any more time on an argument that is filled with opinions at the core for both sides. You believe Drake is stronger? Good for you, I don't really care. Like I said I can dive deeper into how Kidd has better portrayal, but it won't mean anything, you will just say Drake scenes were of higher portrayal anyway, because it is such an assumption based topic.



Lmao no shit he has. Luffy's main supernova rivals were portrayed to be Law and Kidd, back in Saboady, what does main rival mean anyway?

Main Supernova rival is the only thing that matters, Luffy hardly even knows Drake exists, nor has Drake ever shown any interest in Luffy. Kidd on the other hand has shown interest in Luffy's movements plenty of times, and Luffy has to a smaller extent as well.

Dude you simpleton, that is not what it is about.

The question is if Drake is stronger than Kidd at Sabaody, I don't care about rivalry and where they are in 20 years time.

There is only one answer, at sabaody Drake was obviously the strongest supernova.

Also all your yammering about I don't want to put time and effort into explaining this is the saddest excuse for not being able to find a panel with Kidd doing something. Look how much you already posted in this thread. If you had some actual facts you would have posted it by now.

But you don't. You have nothing

 

[ToshiZO]

Dude you simpleton, that is not what it is about.

The question is if Drake is stronger than Kidd at Sabaody, I don't care about rivalry and where they are in 20 years time.

There is only one answer, at sabaody Drake was obviously the strongest supernova.

Also all your yammering about I don't want to put time and effort into explaining this is the saddest excuse for not being able to find a panel with Kidd doing something. Look how much you already posted in this thread. If you had some actual facts you would have posted it by now.

But you don't. You have nothing

Its easier to post a quick reply in a thread, then to compile minor panels in God knows which chapters. It's an effort thing.

 

[chopstickchakra]

So you have no proof of this portrayal then?

To be fair it's not a completely unfounded thought. Kid had the bounty most comparable to Luffy's. Kid's means to acquiring his bounty were detailed and were directly opposite of what we saw the SH's doing until that point in the story. I may be wrong on this but I believe Kid's reactions to Luffy's progress have been shown more than Drake's reactions, which to me would imply the authors attempt to relate the two.

It's never been said outright but at the same time it's not as unfathomable of a thought as Cook's making it out to be, even if he isn't one of the top 3 strength wise it seems pretty evident he's one of the top 3 nova's in regards to the story, I think he'll have more and longer interactions with Luffy. Now I think about it if anything I'd say Luffy is Kid's rival(because he seems the type to care how he's perceived compared to others) but Kid's not really Luffy's rival since Luffy doesn't care about any of that. Luffy won't be competing with Kid but Kid may be competing with Luffy. If that makes sense to anyone.

 

[Love Cook]

Its easier to post a quick reply in a thread, then to compile minor panels in God knows which chapters. It's an effort thing.

Noted, no panels to be found then

 

[ToshiZO]

To be fair it's not a completely unfounded thought. Kid had the bounty most comparable to Luffy's. Kid's means to acquiring his bounty were detailed and were directly opposite of what we saw the SH's doing until that point in the story. I may be wrong on this but I believe Kid's reactions to Luffy's progress have been shown more than Drake's reactions, which to me would imply the authors attempt to relate the two.

It's never been said outright but at the same time it's not as unfathomable of a thought as Cook's making it out to be, even if he isn't one of the top 3 strength wise it seems pretty evident he's one of the top 3 nova's in regards to the story, I think he'll have more and longer interactions with Luffy. Now I think about it if anything I'd say Luffy is Kid's rival(because he seems the type to care how he's perceived compared to others) but Kid's not really Luffy's rival since Luffy doesn't care about any of that. Luffy won't be competing with Kid but Kid may be competing with Luffy. If that makes sense to anyone.

For the most part yea.

But there was a scene where Luffy was showing some interest in Kidd's alliance.

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The fact that Kidd has a SN alliance similar to Luffy's also hints at the rivalry theme.

 

[chopstickchakra]

For the most part yea.

But there was a scene where Luffy was showing some interest in Kidd's alliance.

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The fact that Kidd has a SN alliance similar to Luffy's also hints at the rivalry theme.

I'm with you on this one, I think it's pretty clear Kid will be more involved with Luffy going forward then Drake and will be the Nova to keep pace with Luffy and challenge him over being the star of their generation(if there's gonna be one at all) But Cook was right about back at Sabaody. Drake had the better performance of all the Nova on the island I think.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

So you have no proof of this portrayal then?

I have kidd's promise towards luffy and law specifically as proof.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Ah plot restriction, because he was miles above the rest of the supernova's apparently.

Also the magneto of OP wasn't able to release Zoro's blades from his grip in the auction hall. So there goes your little fantasy. His powers aren't that strong.

When was it stated that he even attempted to do this? It wasn't

 

[Love Cook]

When was it stated that he even attempted to do this? It wasn't

Just like it never was stated that he can.

Bye argument.

So we have 1 panel of Zoro holding on to his swords while being affected by Kidd's powers, and we have 0 panels where Kidd can release the weapon from the grip of a strong character.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Just like it never was stated that he can.

Bye argument.

So we have 1 panel of Zoro holding on to his swords while being affected by Kidd's powers, and we have 0 panels where Kidd can release the weapon from the grip of a strong character.

Kid doesn't have to take them he can simply make them crush themselves. Which means Zoro would have no blade to fight with the same would apply to Drake.

 

[Love Cook]

Kid doesn't have to take them he can simply make them crush themselves. Which means Zoro would have no blade to fight with the same would apply to Drake.

He was never shown to be able to crush weapons. He has magnetic powers, he can repel and attract metal objects.

Are you done now making feats up ?

 

[Ultimodestructico]

Just like it never was stated that he can.

Bye argument.

So we have 1 panel of Zoro holding on to his swords while being affected by Kidd's powers, and we have 0 panels where Kidd can release the weapon from the grip of a strong character.

So Where is the panel that you love so much? Because the Zoro holding onto his swords never happened in the manga. Aren't you the one making up stuff lol? You're basing everything of non cannon scenes in the anime just had to make an account to let you know lol There has been no panel of anyone resisting getting their weapon taken as of now lol
Drake hit the pacifista into the wall with his weapons and the wall was right in front of him if anything Franky showed greater feats than Drake you gonna put Franky over Drake? No you're not.

If anything the Supernova's that had shown greater feats were Apoo who blew up a logia somehow and Urouge who was actually drawing blood from a pacifista with hand to hand combat lol

 

[Love Cook]

So Where is the panel that you love so much? Because the Zoro holding onto his swords never happened in the manga. Aren't you the one making up stuff lol? You're basing everything of non cannon scenes in the anime just had to make an account to let you know lol There has been no panel of anyone resisting getting their weapon taken as of now lol
Drake hit the pacifista into the wall with his weapons and the wall was right in front of him if anything Franky showed greater feats than Drake you gonna put Franky over Drake? No you're not.

If anything the Supernova's that had shown greater feats were Apoo who blew up a logia somehow and Urouge who was actually drawing blood from a pacifista with hand to hand combat lol

Listen since this is your first post I'll explain the rules to you.

If you decide to make up a feat, like crushing weapons or pulling them out of hands of strong characters. It's not up to me to do the work and prove that you're wrong.

you might be right about the Zoro thing being anime only but at the same time there is no panel of Kidd grabbing Zoro's or Drake's weapons, now is there smart ass ?

Also Franky used one of his strongest attacks pre-skip and Drake used a flying kick.

So I'm sorry that you went to all the trouble of making an account only to make youself look like a prick on the first post.

 

[Ultimodestructico]

Listen since this is your first post I'll explain the rules to you.

If you decide to make up a feat, like crushing weapons or pulling them out of hands of strong characters. It's not up to me to do the work and prove that you're wrong.

you might be right about the Zoro thing being anime only but at the same time there is no panel of Kidd grabbing Zoro's or Drake's weapons, now is there smart ass ?

Also Franky used one of his strongest attacks pre-skip and Drake used a flying kick.

So I'm sorry that you went to all the trouble of making an account only to make youself look like a prick on the first post.

How is that making up a feat when you haven't seen anyone resisting getting their weapon taken away. You're just using anime only scenes to support your argument when these things didn't happen in the manga. Have you read the manga? Drake hit the pacifista into the wall with his sword and mace and the wall was right in front of them it wasn't a far distance. Chapter 508 page 13 if you want to see for yourself. Also I didn't make up anything everything I've told you is from the manga unless you want to say the manga is wrong now..?

How is Drake going to counter his weapons getting taking away unless he was to be flying away with his weapons. Even if he can hold onto them he's not exactly going to be fighting as his best with the force of his weapons being taken away. How am I being a smart ass? You're talking like someone who just watches the anime I'm just informing you.

In what way have I made myself look like a prick? I told you what happened in the manga so that you don't try this shit again and talk as if anime only feats and fights are canon just so you can support your argument.