[VS] Drake vs Kid
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Money is on Drake, he was portrayed to be a step beyond the Kidd, Luffy and Law trio pre skip. He was doing fairly well against a pacifista on his own and he was the first to make a move towards a yonkou.
Kidd. Kidd is among the top 3 most highlighted supernova. Only Supernova other than Luffy with another Supernova as an underling. Kidd's underling had a higher bounty then 4 other Supernova too. So yea...
Kidd's underling can probably give Drake a good fight. That should tell you who has better portrayal.
Kidd's underling can probably give Drake a good fight. That should tell you who has better portrayal.
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I dunno. Drake will probably sing a soft, emotional song that could potentially cause Kid to fall asleep. But if Kid retaliates like a man he should win. Drake is soft so it only takes one hit to kill him. If Drake begins to dance kid might die from cringing.
You probably missed the part where they explained that Kidd's crew bounties were also largely acquired by making civilian victims.
Also you say 'top 3' like there was a clear top 3 based on bounties. And you're probably talking about Luffy, Law and Kidd. But in that case I hate to tell you but Law only had a 200M bounty so that is lower than Drake's
Also Drake's feats are way better than Kidd and Killers (and even Luffy and Law). He was going one on with a Pacifista untill he got surprised by Kizaru's laser that was implemented in the Pacifista's hand.
[video=youtube;R_DvWqVoNJs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_DvWqVoNJs[/video]
And he went to Kaidou's favorite island and challenged an underling who threatened him that Kaidou would hunt him down if he would harm him. Yet Drake attacked him and became ruler of that island in Kaidou's name within the timeskip.
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At that time Kidd had his sights on smaller targets, his sights were on Luffy, because he gained notoriety by ringing the Ox bell after the war.Vol. 61 Chapter 595 and Episode 513 said:
And finally, Drake intervened a fight between Killer and Urouge. And that is not something you would do if you're weaker than either one. It shows that the other two respect his power since they stopped fighting. So suggesting that Killer is a match for X Drake is laughable.
So feats over bounties
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Nothing you said matters unfortunately.
You don't get a bounty going around killing people, any East blue fodder can do that. Maybe 2-3% of his bounty is attributed to that, Kidd would still be in the 300 mil range, because killing Fodder civilians is not what gets you a 300 mil bounty in the first place.
Fact remains, portrayal is portrayal.
Luffy and Kidd only two supernova with Supernovas under them. That > Anything Drake has done. Now if Drakes feats were significantly better, than you would have a case, but Kidd didn't even fight a Pacifista on panel, and Drake still got bodied by a Pacifista, he did marginally better than the others if better at all. So yea....
You're wrong, it's not something I made up it's literally in the manga. In case you forgot the marine is there to protect innocent people. They might not have the best track record but if some East Blue fodder goes on a killing spree you can bet your ass he will get a bounty. And if you keep doing that you will get a big bounty. Probably not 300 Million but we've seen fodder bounties going up to around 100 million, so that is spare change for the navy if they think it would help in stopping a criminal.
Also you keep talking about this portrayal but Kidd doesn't have better portrayal. Portrayal is that Kidd is put in cage by the same guy Drake is working for after invading his favorite island. So that already shows Drake has aces up his sleeves. He is smart, and calculating.
Portrayal is the fact that Drake split up those underlings you are so hard for, he doesn't care about those.
Portrayal is that Drake can parry a series of attacks and kick a Pacifista through the sky pre skip. Which is far more than the monster trio was able to do pre skip. He chewed on his head and was surprised by the kizaru laser. That is not marginally that is a lot better.
And who cares about having crew mate supernovas ? It's funny how fast you dropped Law after I told you his low ass bounty pre skip. Now your dream trio has fallen apart and now all of a sudden the dream duo is measured by having vice supernovas on board.
So how does this work ? Is Luffy a stronger supernova because Zoro is one too ? Or does Killer give EXP bonus to Kidd because they are in the same Super Rookie Guild ? Nope, It means Jack shit.
And sadly for you Kidd did fight a pacifista on panel, not going to bother searching it for you but he did it together with Law and you precious Killer and Bepo. Took em a while though.
So having to correct you on at least three points here doesn't do wonders for your credibility. So I'll take my leave here, because there are no panels that show better portrayal of Kidd. The only thing Kidd has was a Vice captain with a bounty of more than 100M at the time he reached Sabaody, it's pretty trivial but I give you that.
Lmao stop saying dumb shit.
Kidd's fight against the pacifista was never shown. Only thing that was shown was how Law easily made the Pacifista's laser beam look like childs play, while Drake got fodderized by the same beam.
Oh wow Drake kicked an offguard Pacifista far? Nice nice, looks like Franky is the #1 for pushing the pacifista even further than any M3.
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Like I said marginally better, if better at all. Hardly enough to overcome the fact that Kidd has an underling in the same league as the Supernovas, also no one is arguing Drake has better portrayal than Killer lol...Drake portrayal wise is top 4 sure. But when you start talking Kidd, then quite frankly, no.
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You can call me out that I'm saying dumb shit but at least I'm not talking out of my ass. I already wiped your stupid arguments aside in the first two posts, but the bullshit is really too much. So I'll keep it short.
Here you go here is the part about the Kidd bounty and the reason why it is so high. Now shut the **** up about it
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Can't tell if you're joking with the Franky thing because Franky needed a coup de vent to achieve something with less impact than Drake did with a casual kick.
Drake got hit by the beam because he didn't expect 'Kuma' to have that. That was the reveal of the PX technology. He didn't get fodderized by the beam, because he was ok to keep going but got shit on by Kizaru who was there too. So again keep your facts straight.
Drake's portrayal pre skip is number 1 denying it is just sad.
It's even worse to say Kidd has better portrayal because Kidd literally did nothing. He punched fodder marines and got the highest bounty by killing civilians.
Stop trying dude, at least post some evidence. I'm not looking your shit up again. educate yourself before you talk nonsense.
You're really not providing anything here. These things have already been addressed.
I can dive deeper into this, but I don't have the energy for it. You're just glorifying Drake's every feat.
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No these things haven't been addressed you kept using it after I told you it wasn't true.
and I'm not glorifying Drake's feats, i'm naming what he has done. And anything he has done is still more than Kidd has ever done pre skip.
So it's not really like you haven't got the energy for it, you don't have the panels for it.
Just look at this, you're such a worm Toshi, have some respect for yourself.
At this point I show you the manga page itself and then you respond with
Deny deny deny stuck in a corner then switch to a lie. What an ass
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chopstickchakra
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To be fair Luffy Law and Kidd have always been portrayed as the 3 Nova to watch moving forward. Also you're comparing Drake's strength then(when he was already an ex VA-which alone says a lot for his strength) to still developing strengths of course he was gonna be a bit better at that point. Drake undoubtedly grew during the skip but I would assume, and I think most others would too, that LL&K have a better growth expectancy and have grown considerably since Sabaody. You won't get argument from me that Drake has had the better feats shown so far, but he's also had more shown(than Kidd) Drake would probably win given what we know but IF/when the fight happens I think Kidd will be able to squeak out a win since he's constantly being mirrored with Luffy and Law. For the record I agree with Tosh about who would win but I agree with you on his approach.
MasqueradeNX
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I think the point of Kid having a supernova underling from the Worst generation much like Luffy can indeed be treated as superior portrayal. Kid's been receiving better portrayal than any other WG member "excluding BB and Luffy" at almost every possible category. I have 0 reasons to think Drake would be stronger than Kid at this point in manga.
Lmfao wait did you think I didn't know what Shakky said? I hope you don't believe you pulled off some nice panel loool.
I said what I said knowing full well what she said, my statement was made knowing that. Hence you didn't provide anything.
The only one who needed correcting here was you, when you thought Kidd fought a Pacifista on panel, but I didn't even have the energy to call you out on it a third time.
Lmao I'm laughing cause you tried to weasel out of that one. Just stop forcing stuff that doesn't exist, just pay better attention next time.
Sone of your reasons for Drake are decent, they def place him in the top 4 but once again, they do not exceed the portrayal of having a supernova underling, you can try forcing your crappy logic onto why Killer is a Supernova, but it really doesn't change the portrayal that he is one.
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Dude it's in your own posts, bounty by killing civilians only makes up like 3% of the bounty. You pulled that out of your ass. So no you forgot about what Shakky said, because it took you 3 points to get to that point.
Having a supernova underling means shit. Did Zoro make Luffy stronger against the pacifista on sabaody ? No he still needs to fight on his own. Same goes for Killer and Kidd. But Drake on his own did better than all other supernova's against a pacifista and even is working alongside Kaidou now after attacking his territory first. So Drake is not some kind of scrub that overestimates his power, that title goes to Kidd who got put in a cage by Kaidou.
The only thing I'm willing to give Kidd is that he has bigger growth potential like chopstick said. But pre-skip they were not on his level.
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Kid would win. Plot also restricted him one shotting a Pacifista just so it wouldn't seem like he was that much above the Strawhats. Drake wields blades right? Kid is the Magneto of Op he would disarm and attack drake with his own blade.
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Punk Hazard
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Shakky literally said the reason Kid's bounty was so high was because of the collateral damage Kid and his crew kept causing. Bounty is an indication of DANGER. At the very least its half of why Kid's bounty is so high, not "2-3%."
