Drake the new Tupac?

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The fact that you are questioning whether or not the statement "Drake is the new Tupac" can be agreed with led me to believe that you didn't listen to them.
"Drake is the new Tupac" was a short title for the thread. Forgive me for not giving it more thought and hoping the detail in the thread would give more clarity.

I think her argument had more to do with the pathway of their respective careers. Clearly they go about making music in very different ways and lived very different life styles.

But the same arguments people make against Drake, they made against Tupac. People didn't like how he could make sensitive songs and still talk about thug life. His fans however, pointed out that being a thug ain't all about just going around killing niggas and acting tough all the time. They go through struggle, experience pain and emotions like anyone else. Tupac in their eyes was the most human artist of his time. He wasn't afraid to touch on the emotional side that so many others tried to act as if it didn't exist for the sake of acting tough. You didn't have to be a thug, or gangsta to appreciate Pacs music. It wasn't simply thug music. It was the most relatable of his time to anyone because it was humanity at it's core.

Drake in a sense has that same issue. His 'toughness' doesn't reflect a 'thug life' lifestyle, but his fans also point out that he's human and humans aren't perfect. We go through an array of emotions in our lifetime. We experience moments of pain, anger, confusion, aggression, which are all highlighted in his music (as it was in Tupacs). But those that dislike Drake, say that he is fake because he goes back and forth between what perceive a tough guy is supposed to be like instead of accepting his entire body of work as a reflection of real human emotions we all experience.

They are both chastised for what makes their respective styles so different than their peers. THAT is what I meant when I said I could see how Drake could be considered THIS generations version of Pac. Not that he's the like Pac musically, but in the way they go about performing their art, which is exploring all emotional corners that their competitors try to avoid.

I love tupac but this "thug" person that people view him as isn't real. He wasn't a blood and much less a "thug". He started claiming he was banging and putting work in the last 2-3 years before he got killed.
THIS RIGHT HERE is the reason my co worker made that claim and why I could understand what she was trying to say. Not everyone saw Pac as a thug and felt that some of his song choice and life choices didn't represent a true 'thug' lifestyle. One example would be the fact that he was from New York, and switched sides and started repping the west coast and Deathrow. In the hood you get labled a mark and killed fast for doing something like that
 
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I love tupac but this "thug" person that people view him as isn't real. He wasn't a blood and much less a "thug". He started claiming he was banging and putting work in the last 2-3 years before he got killed.
You're right actually. Pac started rapping as being a thug when he wasn't actually a thug. He then tried to replicate what he rapped about into his real life and he got killed because of it.
 

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You're right actually. Pac started rapping as being a thug when he wasn't actually a thug. He then tried to replicate what he rapped about into his real life and he got killed because of it.
Don't get me wrong, if you meant thug as in a way of being personality wise then I would have a agreed with you but in terms of actually being a THUG.. he wasn't .
 
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You're right actually. Pac started rapping as being a thug when he wasn't actually a thug. He then tried to replicate what he rapped about into his real life and he got killed because of it.
I love the way you explained it. It really got me thinking and you know I have to give a cookie for that. U_U
 
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Wow. NOT...EVEN...CLOSE... there is absolutely no way to ever compare drake to 'pac and to say he's the new 'pac... holy shit... that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a long time

there is NO comparison in their music.. saying "Oh they both make emotional music" means they are similar!? THAT'S STUPID AS HELL. Beethoven also put lots of emotion in his music (you don't need words to convey emotion) so 'Pac and Drake must be the new Beethoven right? just like my friend, who likes writing poetry with the Modern style of literature.. so I guess he's the next TS Eliot right? I mean they both write modern poetry, therefore my friend is comparable to TS Eliot. dude... EVERYONE makes emotional music at times... your "co-worker's" retarded logic makes my head hurt. this isn't cuz I like Pac over Drake, although I happen to feel that way, it's because that logic and those retarded arguments don't even make sense. they are comparable because they both make emotional music? No. they are not similar in any way. All music is full of emotion, that's the nature of music. comparing two people with something so generic and something so ingrained into human nature that it applies to everyone... did I already say "Wow" and "No?" because... Wow... and No...
 
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Wow. NOT...EVEN...CLOSE... there is absolutely no way to ever compare drake to 'pac and to say he's the new 'pac... holy shit... that's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard in a long time

there is NO comparison in their music.. saying "Oh they both make emotional music" means they are similar!? THAT'S STUPID AS HELL. Beethoven also put lots of emotion in his music (you don't need words to convey emotion) so 'Pac and Drake must be the new Beethoven right? just like my friend, who likes writing poetry with the Modern style of literature.. so I guess he's the next TS Eliot right? I mean they both write modern poetry, therefore my friend is comparable to TS Eliot. dude... EVERYONE makes emotional music at times... your "co-worker's" retarded logic makes my head hurt. this isn't cuz I like Pac over Drake, although I happen to feel that way, it's because that logic and those retarded arguments don't even make sense. they are comparable because they both make emotional music? No. they are not similar in any way. All music is full of emotion, that's the nature of music. comparing two people with something so generic and something so ingrained into human nature that it applies to everyone... did I already say "Wow" and "No?" because... Wow... and No...

I'm not mad you misunderstood the thread because most people did except for Deviation. But you didn't have to insult my co worker or her opinion. With that being said this is why I feel she said what she said and unless you have something to say to actually counter this, keep your mouth shut

"Drake is the new Tupac" was a short title for the thread. Forgive me for not giving it more thought and hoping the detail in the thread would give more clarity.

I think her argument had more to do with the pathway of their respective careers. Clearly they go about making music in very different ways and lived very different life styles.

But the same arguments people make against Drake, they made against Tupac. People didn't like how he could make sensitive songs and still talk about thug life. His fans however, pointed out that being a thug ain't all about just going around killing niggas and acting tough all the time. They go through struggle, experience pain and emotions like anyone else. Tupac in their eyes was the most human artist of his time. He wasn't afraid to touch on the emotional side that so many others tried to act as if it didn't exist for the sake of acting tough. You didn't have to be a thug, or gangsta to appreciate Pacs music. It wasn't simply thug music. It was the most relatable of his time to anyone because it was humanity at it's core.

Drake in a sense has that same issue. His 'toughness' doesn't reflect a 'thug life' lifestyle, but his fans also point out that he's human and humans aren't perfect. We go through an array of emotions in our lifetime. We experience moments of pain, anger, confusion, aggression, which are all highlighted in his music (as it was in Tupacs). But those that dislike Drake, say that he is fake because he goes back and forth between what perceive a tough guy is supposed to be like instead of accepting his entire body of work as a reflection of real human emotions we all experience.

They are both chastised for what makes their respective styles so different than their peers. THAT is what I meant when I said I could see how Drake could be considered THIS generations version of Pac. Not that he's the like Pac musically, but in the way they go about performing their art, which is exploring all emotional corners that their competitors try to avoid.
The fact that you think all emotional music is the same is laughable. Not everyone's level of emotional revelation is the same. When Drake makes an emotional song, it's deeper than when Jay Z tries to touch on an emotional topic. "Everyone makes emotional music" is a silly way of looking at it because there are multiple emotions and multiple levels when it comes to expressing them. The thread wasn't even about the comparison in their music, but in the way their music AND LIFESTYLE resonates with their respective audiences in their respective times.

Tupac was loved for his ability to touch on an array of emotional topics as well as keep things street, but was also criticized for that same reason and the fact that his lifestyle choices, such as being from NY but switching over and repping east coast (which is set tripping and you get labeled a mark and get killed for in the streets), didn't match up with his thug life image he tried so hard to create.

With Drake, his fans love him for the same reason but those that hate him usually site the fact that he goes from being this tough guy to this soft, sensitive crooner who airs out his dirty laundry with in a way that leaves him too vulnerable to fit the description of a tough guy. Both praised and criticized for putting a complete view of the human psyche in their work.

As smart as you tried to sound with that comment, you should've understood this better than those that just read the title and didn't get the gist of what I was trying to convey
 
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NO... ,but I get the hype and buzz and recognition stuff...

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I don't think you really get it but it's ok. I didn't give much detail in the thread so it seems like everyone is thinking the thread is about comparing their music. I didn't understand it her argument at first but once you get what she's trying to say she's actually right from the perspective she was getting at

I explained it better in one of my comments to another member I should probably put that in the thread for anyone else that might come across it
 

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The mods didn't delete this yet?!?!? :surprisedface:
Delete it for what guy. Because it put Drake and Pac in the same sentence in a way that you can't comprehend. Read it again, this time read the spoiler I put in to better clarify, maybe you'll get what I was trying to say

The co worker dude is retarded
She actually does have a form of mental retardation so watch your mouth. Especially since you clearly didn't get the thread
 
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