[Doton] Doton with Noni

[Barbarossa]

My bad sensei I tought I could use only earth streams. I will now try again:

Shisui spotted his opponent charging towards him,so he immediately implemented his battle plan. He started by creating two shadow clones. Then with his original body,he threw an explosive kunai right beneath his enemies feet. In order to avoid it,the opponent jumped into the air and launched three shurikens towards Shisui and his clones.

Shisui had very little time to react so he ordered his clones to do a fire and earth stream combo. One clone launched a mud stream towards the shurikens. The other one heated the mud and hardened it. The hardened block of mud which was created successfully stuck the shurikens inside of itself and dropped into the ground.

But the business wasn't done yet. The enemy was still in the air , preparing his next move. So Shisui launched a counter attack by performing a 5 senses Confusion disorder. That move completey threw the opponent of balance and successfully numbed his sences. After that Shisui launched a barrage of earth-like projectiles towards his enemy. On impact,the projectiles made a big damage on Shisui's enemy and launched him couple of meters behind into the trees.

 

[Noni]

OOC: One thing that is important, in our RP, that you need to drill and always remember, you can not control how they react to techniques. Only they can, now I'll let it slide in you're description you gave me, specifically this part.

In order to avoid it, the opponent jumped into the air and launched three shurikens towards Shisui and his clones.

I know you probably did this for the explanation for you did not have a choice, but I just want you to remember for the RP never to control you're opponent movement. Next time when I give a similar task, simply state the combo, no need to explain how they react. You basically wrote more then I requested you to, you will get enough battle posts at the end of training against me when training is complete .

Shisui had very little time to react so he ordered his clones to do a fire and earth stream combo. One clone launched a mud stream towards the shurikens. The other one heated the mud and hardened it. The hardened block of mud which was created successfully stuck the shurikens inside of itself and dropped into the ground.

I told you not to copy my example!
Lancer screams out

Re-do

But the business wasn't done yet. The enemy was still in the air , preparing his next move. So Shisui launched a counter attack by performing a 5 senses Confusion disorder. That move completey threw the opponent of balance and successfully numbed his sences. After that Shisui launched a barrage of earth-like projectiles towards his enemy. On impact,the projectiles made a big damage on Shisui's enemy and launched him couple of meters behind into the trees.

I told you the projectile usage was fine, no need to repeat it. Anyway re-do and get it right U_U I expect greatness

 

[Barbarossa]

Before I proceed with the test, can you teach me which other elements can make a combination attack with Doton except katon?

And what would be the characteristics of that combo. I am really stuck on this one :/

 

[Noni]

OOC: We are not doing the test until the complete end of training. All I wanted was to see you perform a basic stream combo. Also, we will introduce more elemental combo's after we are done explaining the releases ways. Anyway here are some ideas for streaming combos you could use.

Lancer creates imaginary scene, don't ask how, he just can. >_>

- Spew out a adhesive mud source out of my mouth, aiming for the opponent's feet, attempting to bind them from the legs preventing movement. Then I would simply throw a kunai at his neck, killing him. To make sure the streaming usages is effective, I would make sure to aim not only for his feet, but since streaming allows for a person to aim as they spew- I would also aim "around" the opponent, specifically the ground, turning everything on the ground around him in short range radius (from where he stands) into sticky mud. Making movement even more restrictive. Also, I would throw the kunai, right after I was done spewing the mud.

- Something more simple, I would spew out a stream of dust, rocks, and debris at the opponent. Effectively doing two things, one- preventing him from noticing my position or other material due to the thickness of the dust. Second- conflicting small scale damage. After spewing the dust and rocks, I would then throw into the smoke, barrage of kunais and shurikens, randomly into the rock area. The opponent won't know what stabbed him <_< (pun intended). P.S. might not work for some dojutsu and sensory opponents.

Anyway, this is just some stuff off the top of the head to get a good idea of things. Some of this stuff can be done not only with earth but with other elements. All I want to drive through you're head is the usage of streaming jutsus, both in general and in earth release.

Any questions before I proceed to the next release?

 

[Barbarossa]

Thank you senpai for these tips. We can proceed now..

 

[Noni]

Elemental source release:

It's + and - depends of the type of combination with which it's used (Projectile release/stream release)

+ : Same as those if you combine the earth core shifting or manipulation (spikes,ground elevation) with projectile or stream release

- : Samee as those if you combine the earth core manipulation with projectile or stream release.

I expect a little bit more of advantage and disadvantage, especially for this release. Please add in some more detail and points.

 

[Barbarossa]

Elemental sourse release:

+ : Because you use your surroundings to create your jutsu,and not yourself,you can successfully surprise your opponent by combining it with projectile release(spikes,debris..etc)
Also it can be combined with streaming release in orderd to increase the chance of your attack hiting your opponent. Elemental sourse release is also an excellent way to throw your enemy off guard and mess up with his offensive/deffensive plans. It can be used to counter your enemy and to change the situation in your favour (by forcing the enemy from the offensive into deffensive situation)

- : If combined with streaming release,you can make yourself vulnerable and an easy target. You have to focus constantly on the stream in order to perform the attack/jutsu successfully.

Thats all of what I could think off senpai,I hope it's enogh

 

[Noni]

Since I gave you a couple days can you explain more stuff or are you just being lazy?

Let's analyze what you got here now.

+ : Because you use your surroundings to create your jutsu,and not yourself,you can successfully surprise your opponent by combining it with projectile release(spikes,debris..etc)

I like this, use the terrain to create attacks is smart. However this can also warrant a disadvantage and I will let you find it out.

Also it can be combined with streaming release in orderd to increase the chance of your attack hiting your opponent.

I don't understand, how is this the case? Can you not show me an example?

Elemental sourse release is also an excellent way to throw your enemy off guard and mess up with his offensive/deffensive plans

How can this be done again?

It can be used to counter your enemy and to change the situation in your favour (by forcing the enemy from the offensive into deffensive situation)

That can be done with much more then just elemental source. However, it is a good mention. Be sure to know that.

- : If combined with streaming release,you can make yourself vulnerable and an easy target. You have to focus constantly on the stream in order to perform the attack/jutsu successfully.

You mentioned this with streaming, I don't need a repeat. I need to see something new for this is an obvious thing.

As you should notice I expect two things.

- Better explanation and showcases of examples
- NEW explanations as well

 

[Barbarossa]

I have only one question:

What other tehniques are included in elemental source release besides spikes emerging from the earth? Do earth pillars and mud walls also belong in those type of jutsus?

 

[Noni]

I have only one question:

What other tehniques are included in elemental source release besides spikes emerging from the earth? Do earth pillars and mud walls also belong in those type of jutsus?

As long as they come up from the ground aka a source, then yes.

 

[Barbarossa]

Elemental source release:

Pros: Using elemental source release,you can make a mad wall which can provide a good protection against certain jutsus. It can also be used to block the enemies field of vision and so conceal your movement for some time or you can trap your enemy with it/isolate him and then bombard him with some projectile releases.

By making pillars from the earth as a source,you can make some deadly combinations. For an instance,you can trap your opponent by shooting mud steam at his feet and then raising the level of the ground beneath his feet in order to clash him with an attack that you previously launched. Also with elemental source release you can lower the earth level beneath his feet (traping him in a hole) and then afterwards you can barrage him with some projectiles or even bury him alive by filling the hole with mud and then drying it out with some fire tehniques.

Also with elemental source release you can make the earth on which you are fighting softer, after which you can travel through the earth and then surprise your enemy with some attack or trap him.


Cons: Mud walls can be easily broken or destroyed by some jutsus of higher level. Also when you raise a mud wall in front of you,it blooks your field of vision and you can't know what the enemy is going to do next ( like in that Kakashi vs Obito fight from the last episode).

If you raise the level of earth and then try to attack with projectiles or trap and experience/strong enemy with mad,he can easily push of the projectiles with some wind tehniques or counter/cancel the mud/stream release with some strong jutsu(possible some water or wind jutsuu)


This is really everything of what I could think of. I hope that it's okey this time

 

[Noni]

Pros: Using elemental source release,you can make a mad wall which can provide a good protection against certain jutsus. It can also be used to block the enemies field of vision and so conceal your movement for some time or you can trap your enemy with it/isolate him and then bombard him with some projectile releases.

Good usage, glad you mentioned that, walls do tend to erect out of a source. Sometimes they can be released out the mouth, one jutsu has where you spew mud on the ground and then a rock erects out into a wall. You will learn that later, the majority are raised from the ground.

By making pillars from the earth as a source,you can make some deadly combinations. For an instance,you can trap your opponent by shooting mud steam at his feet and then raising the level of the ground beneath his feet in order to clash him with an attack that you previously launched. Also with elemental source release you can lower the earth level beneath his feet (traping him in a hole) and then afterwards you can barrage him with some projectiles or even bury him alive by filling the hole with mud and then drying it out with some fire tehniques.

Well combos are quite useful with elemental sources. Realize, because they cover the terrain, they can really bombard the opponent with attacks coming from all directions. It can be a great usage with stealth as well.

Also with elemental source release you can make the earth on which you are fighting softer, after which you can travel through the earth and then surprise your enemy with some attack or trap him.

Just never, ever, get caught going underground. You are left vulnerable especially with the canon jutsu that allows you to go under.

Cons: Mud walls can be easily broken or destroyed by some jutsus of higher level. Also when you raise a mud wall in front of you,it blooks your field of vision and you can't know what the enemy is going to do next ( like in that Kakashi vs Obito fight from the last episode).

If you raise the level of earth and then try to attack with projectiles or trap and experience/strong enemy with mad,he can easily push of the projectiles with some wind tehniques or counter/cancel the mud/stream release with some strong jutsu(possible some water or wind jutsuu)

First, a wall will not block your vision just cause it comes from a source, using any technique of large scale that moves upfront of you will block your vision. So that applies to everything and needs to be obvious. Also, the last part is a good topic and way to counter, however there are many ways to counter, it is not a special way of countering, that you mentioned at least, that applies only to elemental source. Instead that is the case with most techniques.

Anyway here is the biggest disadvantage of earth, what happens if you do not have earth around you? Lets say you are standing on water, what happens? Almost all of earth canon techniques are unaffected and terrible. Earth, from elemental source, is its own weakness. IT COMES FROM A SOURCE OF EARTH!! If you do not have earth around you, to manipulate, then it really weakens and is terrible. Always keep this in mind, the terrain is a huge deal in the fight, if you are huge on earth then realize standing on top of a lake or an area where earth like material is not allowed or present, then you are at a terrible disadvantage. However, there is a technique in the canon that helps you with this, specifically to turn the terrain in your advantage. There are also some extremely large techniques which can bypass water terrains from starting the bottom ground, however that will not always be the case. If a lake is around 50 meters deep, then you are in a bad spot for manipulating anything earth like.

Now, is there any questions?

 

[Barbarossa]

I have one more question: Are earth projectiles launched from earth as his source,less accurate then a projectile launched from myself?

And how high can a mad wall or a pillar be erected into the air,is there a limit?

Other then that,we can proceed.

 

[Noni]

I have one more question: Are earth projectiles launched from earth as his source,less accurate then a projectile launched from myself?

And how high can a mad wall or a pillar be erected into the air,is there a limit?

Other then that,we can proceed.

To the first, no it should not be, as long as you describe where and how you aim the jutsu there should be no reason.

For the second question, it depends on the individual jutsu used. A C-Rank earth wall might be smaller then an A-Rank earth wall in most cases. It depends on the jutsu and not something in general. When we get to techniques you will understand.

Anything else?

 

[Barbarossa]

Nope,you can proceed.

 

[Noni]

Stationary release:

+ : It can be used to create an heavy and strong earth glove,which could increase the damage and impact of the user.
It could also be used to create an earth armor around the user's body and as such increase the defence and endurance of the user.

- : Reduces speed and agility

Most armors do not really increase endurance, and some do decrease speed and agility while others might not. This includes canon and some customs. Anyway you got the basis of what I was looking for, don't forget the fact that a person can create tools of earth and be considered stationary uses. Swords, shields, pillars, etc etc. One last disadvantages I was expecting from you however is, most people who create armors or things of that nature (stationary jutsus) they become an open target for lightning jutsus. As you already said, some armors could decrease speed, and if you wearing an earth armor which slows you down, it becomes super difficult to get off counters in time, especially with a lightning spear coming at you with speed. Luckily time frame can help you out, be sure to get to know the usages of time frame. Anyway, you will get to know more armors as we progress through the training, for now lets continue to the next release.

Alternative releases:

It depends on a specific jutsu that is used.

That is all that I could think off. I hope that it's enough.

Yep, and we will get into this right now, but tell me do you have any questions before we proceed?

 

[Barbarossa]

No questions.

 

[Noni]

- Explanation and analyzes on the different kind of forms for the element. (Mud, Weight Manipulation, etc etc)

Are you able to make an brief explanation of what you think this might be? The more I see you get right and knowledge/facts you showcase the quicker we can get through this section. Use the examples in the parenthesis to help you out.

 

[Barbarossa]

Mud/Weight manipulation.. Is that the jutsu Onoki used to lighten Gaara's sand and to stop Tengai Shinsei?

If that is it,then It can be used to reduce the weight of the objects around you,so you could manipulate them easier.If you control one object easier,than you can make a room for few more objects to use as an attack/deffence and not only one. And also because you make them lighter,you can move them with much less effort and with more swiftness. Also it can be used as a defence when someone launches some massive objects at you,they can be stoped way easier.

 

[Noni]

What about mud? Anything specific to add on that? Btw it was a decent explanation, you know the basis and evidence so I will explain that and we will continue, but first tell me what you know about mud.