Don't discredit Hiruzen :)

[Mattek2008]

People calling him the worst hokage, because he gave Danzo free reign, and all the other mistakes he did...that isn't really fair.... I mean, each Hokage before him only held the position for what, 1-5 years each? ( including Minato, his successor, aswell)

Yeah, sure he made a lot of mistakes, but he also kept the village safe for 30+ years. I can definatly respect him for that. And picked Minato as his successor.

Is he the worst Hokage? It's debatable...Each one made mistakes, Even if he made a lot of them, he also probably did the most good for the village, considering the time he held the position.

Did he fail? Yes. He failed hard with Danzo, if he wasn't so soft none of the events would probably have happend.
But once again the same can be said for every Hokage.

 

[Unbiased]

Hiruzen did keep the village safe for over 30+ years. It wasn't until minato happened that bad things started happening. If anything minato is the antichrist.

 

[startup97]

True. It's hard to avoid mistakes when you've been Hokage for 50+ years. Hiruzen IMO kept the peace for a very long time.

 

[-Punk-]

Hiruzen was literally kicked out of the position because he ran the leaf into the grown ,Prime Hiruzen doesn't include politic feats.

 

[Clouds]

Tsunade is

Every other hokage managed to protect the leaf.

Tsunade is the only one that failed U_U

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Still the worst hokage even if he was decent at the job. He caused to many problems to not be considered the worst.

 

[Mattek2008]

Hiruzen was literally kicked out of the position because he ran the leaf into the grown ,Prime Hiruzen doesn't include politic feats.

What do you mean with ''Prime Hiruzen doesn't include politic feats''?

And didn't he step down willingly?

 

[Mattek2008]

Still the worst hokage even if he was decent at the job. He caused to many problems to not be considered the worst.

Well, to be fair....if Hashirama made sure that Madara really was dead, none of the current events would've happend.

 

[Aquarius]

See every hokage made some of mistakes as you also said but they last a very little in comparison which also you already said, so by comparing on the basis of mistakes made i don't think he is worst or something but we must agree that he was the one who stabilized the village after war which is not so easy task so by saying he was the worst would be cheating to him and to whole series

 

[startup97]

Still the worst hokage even if he was decent at the job. He caused to many problems to not be considered the worst.

Obviously over the course of 50+ years there are always bound to be problems. Hiruzen did his best. He kept peace the longest out of all Hokages. Don't hate.

 

[Mattek2008]

Hiruzen did keep the village safe for over 30+ years. It wasn't until minato happened that bad things started happening. If anything minato is the antichrist.

Minato also did his best. He protected the village from the Kyuubi, and Tobi.
Sure, he failed aswell. He didn't recognize his own student.

Tsunade is

Every other hokage managed to protect the leaf.

Tsunade is the only one that failed U_U

She didn't protect the buildings, but the village is only a village if the people are there, and if i remember correctly, no one died during the invasion of Konoha....So in a way, she failed yes. But she also succeded in a diffrent way...xD

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Well, to be fair....if Hashirama made sure that Madara really was dead, none of the current events would've happend.

Yes, but his mistake was in not knowing he was dead when Madara received what should have been a fatal blow. He defended the leaf from the threat of Madara during his life time. Also, Hashirama's positives outweighed the negatives. He and Madara built the village which every great nation copied. He also made huge steps to peace in his time. While Hiruzen..... didn't really accomplish much. He just kept the village he inherited in one piece during his reign, but let a bunch of crap happen that would lead to future threats which he could have stopped.

Obviously over the course of 50+ years there are always bound to be problems. Hiruzen did his best. He kept peace the longest out of all Hokages. Don't hate.

I don't hate. I merely state things as I see them. I literally have no emotions when it comes to Hiruzen. It doesn't qualify as "hate."

 

[Mattek2008]

Yes, but his mistake was in not knowing he was dead when Madara received what should have been a fatal blow. He defended the leaf from the threat of Madara during his life time. Also, Hashirama's positives outweighed the negatives. He and Madara built the village which every great nation copied. He also made huge steps to peace in his time. While Hiruzen..... didn't really accomplish much. He just kept the village he inherited in one piece during his reign, but let a bunch of crap happen that would lead to future threats which he could have stopped.




I don't hate. I merely state things as I see them. I literally have no emotions when it comes to Hiruzen. It doesn't qualify as "hate."

Yes, as i said. Hiruzen did his best, he made many mistakes over reign, which lasted around 50 years. It's understandable. But he did a lot of good aswell. He Taught Jiraiya and Tsunade,One was the teacher of a future Hokage, and the other eventually became Hokage.

Hiruzen's teachings led people to develop the Will of Fire. He did many good things, but people seem to forget this and only point out the negatives.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Yes, as i said. Hiruzen did his best, he made many mistakes over reign, which lasted around 50 years. It's understandable. But he did a lot of good aswell. He Taught Jiraiya and Tsunade,One was the teacher of a future Hokage, and the other eventually became Hokage.

Hiruzen's teachings led people to develop the Will of Fire. He did many good things, but people seem to forget this and only point out the negatives.

Well Hiruzen had positives, I just think that they're outweighed by the negatives.

 

[Mattek2008]

Well Hiruzen had positives, I just think that they're outweighed by the negatives.

He had two negatives, letting Danzo have free reign and not killing Orochimaru when he had the chance.

The Oro thing didn't really impact the village negative in any way, did it? It only led to his own demise.

The Danzo thing is his greatest mistake. It led to the Uchiha Massacre, The creation of Akatsuki as we know it, and im sure there is more. I can't remember xD.

Bahh i can't call him the worst Hokage, but he definatly F*ck up, lol.

He's still one of my fav characters, so i can't hate on him ))

 

[Sennin of Logic]

He had two negatives, letting Danzo have free reign and not killing Orochimaru when he had the chance.

The Oro thing didn't really impact the village negative in any way, did it? It only led to his own demise.

The Danzo thing is his greatest mistake. It led to the Uchiha Massacre, The creation of Akatsuki as we know it, and im sure there is more. I can't remember xD.

Bahh i can't call him the worst Hokage, but he definatly F*ck up, lol.

He's still one of my fav characters, so i can't hate on him ))

Orochimaru really did affect the village. He started a short lived war between the sand and leaf as well as did a ton of damage and ended who knows how many lives.


One thing Danzo did was use ninja spies as tools and killed them off when they've served their purpose. This caused who knows how many people to suffer and led to Kabuto's identity obsession.

 

[RicardoA]

They all took good care of the village, one way or the other all did mistakes, but overall a good job since Konoha is still standing strong.
Danzo was necessary to do the dirty job tbh. The only time Hiruzen should've set up against him was during the Uchiha incident.
Oro weakened the village, but couldn't destroy it, so i guess he did a good job during the invasion. Although had he put his sentiments aside and fought Oro seriously from the beggining i'd say he could've done better by sealing Oro completely (although plot wouldn't allow it because Sasuke had to be 'kidnapped' and if it wasn't for more the Alliance would be dead).

 

[RikudouMadara]

Yea Hiruzen isn't anything to sneer at imo.

 

[KingHashirama]

Tsunade is

Every other hokage managed to protect the leaf.

Tsunade is the only one that failed U_U

Only Hashirama and Tobirama succeeded.. Kyuubi did do some damage to the village = failed to protect the village, while both Hiruzen and Minato were there.

 

[Infinite Yaoi Emperor]

He choose to step down, much to the Leaf's despair, because he felt personally responsible for the deaths in the Second Shinobi World War.