[Theory] dogtooth is not true logia

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when did the manga say logias were exclusively a force of nature.?
Maybe you can be a confetii logia. Or a soup logia.
oda said it
D: Dear Mr. Oda, can't you please tell me a bit about the Devil Fruit? In chapter 180, Enel says "If he's a Paramecia, his powers won't reach further than his body." Does this mean that, say, Captain Smoker and Sir Crocodile aren't Paramecias? Also, what are they? Bon apetit!
O: All right, let me explain. There are three base Devil Fruit types, as demonstrated by this list: (insert list of devil fruits here) Did that help? Logia is the "best" of the three types, as it gives control over the forces of nature.
considering he wrote the thing we should take his word for it
cake=/= force of nature
 
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he does have a point

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not sure how trebol survived bisection since he is confirmed to be not a logia
is it a plot hole and maybe oda forgot about that?
Probably a plothole.
A rice cake isn't but isn't there the thing about the translation and one way being the name of a flower which would be nature though not really a force?
But...Katakuri clearly did not turn into a flower.

Trebol never said that he's a Paramecia.
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Even if you wanna say Trebol didn't outright confirm he's a Logia, there's still this.

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When a Logia generates more of their material, they feel damage when its hit by Haki users. So Luffy hitting the mucus around Trebol should have caused him pain.

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This doesn't do anything to contradict what I said.
when did the manga say logias were exclusively a force of nature.?
Maybe you can be a confetii logia. Or a soup logia.
One of the SBS's. I'll try to find it.

Edit: NVM, there it is up there.
 

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His df is the sweet stickiness from mochi cake, not the actual cake itself.
What? This is the most illogical thing you've said. That's like saying a person's Logia ability is the hardness of cement, or the cold of ice, but not the cement or the ice itself. How can someone be a Logia of stickiness? Logias turn into an element/object, not a property of an element/object. This is like saying a person has a Logia of fastness.
 

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he is a double awakened paramecia

true logia are only for natural stuff not cake

he is like doffy and awakened but only he awakened twice
for example if doffy awakened his fruit again he would be able to turn into string like true logia
This is just non-sensical.

For starters Dogtooth's DF is not "cake". You completely misinterpreted his DF name. Mochi is a type of cake, but also is used as a word to describe sticky stuff in general and frankly it's rather obvious which one of the two the DF refers to, not in the least because we saw Dogtooth using his power. Granted it doesn't have that much of a logia vibe, however that's nothing new as mud and smoke aren't that logia-ish either.

Secondly we just relatively recent learned what awakened fruits are capable of and then immediately Oda would make them obsolete by adding a double awakened one? Something that's not only silly, but completely redundant?

Thirdly Dogtooth is extremely powerful. He has a bounty over a billion and is the 1st commander of a Yonkou, why would he even have to lie about something like the nature of his DF? It doesn't make sense and in the end it doesn't make any difference. DD used his awakening as his last trump card, but for some reason Dogtooth is using a double awakening from the get-go? And if he has all the characteristics of a logia user and his DF has also clearly been described as being a logia, what the hell would the point be in thinking he is not one? As even if he isn't one, it makes no difference =/ Trebol is a few classes below Dogtooth and he pretended to be a logia by covering himself in a thick layer of muckus in an attempt to fool people in thinking that what was in fact just mucus is his actual body.

Lastly OP is inspired by DB, it's not a copy of it.


So in the end not only have you no arguments, no basis to fall back on and even assuming it would somehow be true, it makes zero difference. Your theory inherently collapses on itself.
 
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When a Logia generates more of their material, they feel damage when its hit by Haki users. So Luffy hitting the mucus around Trebol should have caused him pain.
Not necessarily, the part Vergo hit wasn't "produced" smoke, but smoker being intangible.
Trebol's fruit is inconsistent, but then the SBS has not been the most reliable source of info.
 
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1. Katakuri is a confirmed logia
2. Trebol is a confirmed paramecia
3. We have a swamp logia so it so shocking to have a sticky logia? There are natural sticky substances in nature.
4. Double awakening does not exist. You can't make something up in order to get a point across.
 
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But...Katakuri clearly did not turn into a flower.
Yet, maybe he can turn into anything that can be made from it's starch? I was going off of this post though from the "Call him Katakuri" thread;

It may or may not be a mix-up. Im sure everyone in japan got the reference to the flower. its possible Oda was making the pun of the potato sack/starch (fits the food theme) and giving him a name as a different reference (to the flower.) *********** might just be trying to connect the reference for us english readers. But his name is still said as katakuri though even if the meaning is something else so I'll probably start using that.

Also this "The katakuriko (片栗粉 "katakuri powder"?), is a starch that bears the name of this plant, which originally refers to the starch from the E. japonicum bulb. Because of its small quantity, this starch is no longer common; potato starch has taken its place and name nowadays." So the plant does have a starch as well.

That made me think maybe he can become any food item that was made from starch not just mochi.
 

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why cant it double awaken?
you can go double super saiyan since ss2 exists and since one piece is inspired by dbz its reasonable to think an awakened state 2 exist for devil fruits
This right here. Unless I'm mistaken, Dragon Ball Z and One Piece are completely unrelated. You can't make a speculative argument and use evidence that isn't from the source material. There has never been a mention of Double Awakening, and until Oda himself declares that lo and behold, a thing we barely know a damn thing about has a second level that is comparable to going Super Sayain, Double Awakening is as plausible as that Law = Roger Reborn theory I just made up. What hurts your position even more so is that the fact that cake doesn't exist in nature proves nothing. This is a goddamn manga, sir. The person who dictates the rules is Oda, so he can do whatever he damn well pleases. People cannot be made of rubber in real life, nor can magma burn fire. Did that stop him? No.

While I will concede that it is feasible that Jinbei was wrong about Dogtooth's power, your Trebol example is flawed, because Luffy and Law ASSUMED that he was Logia, because of the way attacks failed to hurt him. So far as I can remember, there has never been an instance of a DF being falsely identified and catagorized. Also, Jinbei served under Big Mom's command, and unless (or until, as it may be) her children decide to go stereotypical super-villain on us and announce their powers, weaknesses, horoscope sign, and social security number as they charge in to battle, he's our best source of information.

1. Katakuri is a confirmed logia
2. Trebol is a confirmed paramecia
3. We have a swamp logia so it so shocking to have a sticky logia? There are natural sticky substances in nature.
4. Double awakening does not exist. You can't make something up in order to get a point across.
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What Vandenreich said, but with more words.
 
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This is just non-sensical.

For starters Dogtooth's DF is not "cake". You completely misinterpreted his DF name. Mochi is a type of cake, but also is used as a word to describe sticky stuff in general and frankly it's rather obvious which one of the two the DF refers to, not in the least because we saw Dogtooth using his power. Granted it doesn't have that much of a logia vibe, however that's nothing new as mud and smoke aren't that logia-ish either.

Secondly we just relatively recent learned what awakened fruits are capable of and then immediately Oda would make them obsolete by adding a double awakened one? Something that's not only silly, but completely redundant?

Thirdly Dogtooth is extremely powerful. He has a bounty over a billion and is the 1st commander of a Yonkou, why would he even have to lie about something like the nature of his DF? It doesn't make sense and in the end it doesn't make any difference. DD used his awakening as his last trump card, but for some reason Dogtooth is using a double awakening from the get-go? And if he has all the characteristics of a logia user and his DF has also clearly been described as being a logia, what the hell would the point be in thinking he is not one? As even if he isn't one, it makes no difference =/ Trebol is a few classes below Dogtooth and he pretended to be a logia by covering himself in a thick layer of muckus in an attempt to fool people in thinking that what was in fact just mucus is his actual body.

Lastly OP is inspired by DB, it's not a copy of it.


So in the end not only have you no arguments, no basis to fall back on and even assuming it would somehow be true, it makes zero difference. Your theory inherently collapses on itself.
r u sure mochi also means stickiness
if u google it a cake comes up. stickiness as a force of nature is somewhat more believable than cake but still too sketchy and vague.

he did the same thing with zoan awakeneds, they were obsolete the moment they were introduced and its understandable that yonko 1st mate has double awakened since he is high tier

big moms crew as a whole doesnt make much sense, they probably lied to the fishman for lulz

i am not saying this without any basis, multiple gear forms exist too so its very likely other fruit users get awakening more than once or twice
 

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r u sure mochi also means stickiness
if u google it a cake comes up. stickiness as a force of nature is somewhat more believable than cake but still too sketchy and vague.

he did the same thing with zoan awakeneds, they were obsolete the moment they were introduced and its understandable that yonko 1st mate has double awakened since he is high tier

big moms crew as a whole doesnt make much sense, they probably lied to the fishman for lulz

i am not saying this without any basis, multiple gear forms exist too so its very likely other fruit users get awakening more than once or twice
What if katakuri turns into a sap of some sort, and he can change the density. Tada it's natural and logia possible by odas def.
 

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r u sure mochi also means stickiness
if u google it a cake comes up. stickiness as a force of nature is somewhat more believable than cake but still too sketchy and vague.

he did the same thing with zoan awakeneds, they were obsolete the moment they were introduced and its understandable that yonko 1st mate has double awakened since he is high tier

big moms crew as a whole doesnt make much sense, they probably lied to the fishman for lulz

i am not saying this without any basis, multiple gear forms exist too so its very likely other fruit users get awakening more than once or twice
Dude. Katakuri isn't her First Mate, he's one of her Three Commanders. First Mate implies he'd be second in command of the Big Mom Pirates, or at minimum in charge of Big Mom's Flagship. Seeing as she told him off like he was a misbehaving toddler, I don't she's entrusted him to be in charge of anything.

Also, why would they lie to someone that was on their side, and don't say "for the lulz". Even if they had, Jinbe's knowledge of them seems to me like it's based on watching it in action, not someone telling him "Oh yeah, I've got the power of the cake-cake fruit. It's a logia." Would you believe him without proof? Clearly not, as you've stated. There's no way Jinbe would state unconfirmed information like it was an absolute fact. If he didn't make sure, then he's blindly trusting what his potential enemy says. He knew about how Katakuri's cake is weakened by water, and knew how Oven would attack and tried to warn Pedro about it. If they lied about there powers, then hot damn Jinbe must a mind reader.

Finally, the Gears are from Luffy making use of the way his rubber physiology and anatomy works. He originally activated Gear Second by pumbing his leg, which sped up his metabolism and accelerated his blood circulation. Gear Third is the result of him biting down to his bone, and inflating them with air. Gear Fourth was Gear Third but with his muscles, and a lot of Haki. That is not Awakening, as far as I'm aware. It IS, however, Luffy understanding how his body works with the Gomu Gomu. Saying that Luffy's awakened is like declaring Law's medical skills with his Ope Ope no Mi to be Awakening.
 

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he is a double awakened paramecia

true logia are only for natural stuff not cake

he is like doffy and awakened but only he awakened twice
for example if doffy awakened his fruit again he would be able to turn into string like true logia
Lol there is no double awakening. His awakening is literally the same as doffys. Turns their surroundings into the df material
 
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