[Discussion] Doflamingo vs Katakuri

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Dunno how Doffy overcomes an opponent with better stats, better haki, and greater attack power than him.

What would happen if Doflamingo and Dogtooth's awakenings clashed. Mingo turning mochi into string and Piranha face Katakuri turning strings into mochi?
Whoever has the stronger haki in that occurrence would logically win. Which is Katakuri.
 
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Dunno how Doffy overcomes an opponent with better stats, better haki, and greater attack power than him.



Whoever has the stronger haki in that occurrence would logically win. Which is Katakuri.
The way Luffy does it all the time?

You're using Luffy's interactions against Kata as a guide to how Doffy would do but Doffy could have better ob. haki than Luffy and wouldn't spend as long figuring out why he wasn't landing hits.

Doffy could have enough endurance to withstand Kata's attacks until he tires out and leaves himself open(I know what you're thinking "but Kata>G4", even if that were true Doffy survived 1 full G4 session so unless Kata is significantly> G4, which I don't see just yet, Doffy could withstand an onslaught from Kata for a while)

We also don't know what kind of an impact Conq. Haki could play, though I will say he withstood BM's well but how do we know how strong her Conq haki is compared to others? There could be stronger Conq haki and a Tenryubito may just happen to have the lineage of a strong conq. haki so we can't just claim BM's conq. haki is higher than others because of her title, especially if she used other means to attain said title(like her arm haki and DF for instance)
 

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The way Luffy does it all the time?

You're using Luffy's interactions against Kata as a guide to how Doffy would do but Doffy could have better ob. haki than Luffy and wouldn't spend as long figuring out why he wasn't landing hits.

Doffy could have enough endurance to withstand Kata's attacks until he tires out and leaves himself open(I know what you're thinking "but Kata>G4", even if that were true Doffy survived 1 full G4 session so unless Kata is significantly> G4, which I don't see just yet, Doffy could withstand an onslaught from Kata for a while)

We also don't know what kind of an impact Conq. Haki could play, though I will say he withstood BM's well but how do we know how strong her Conq haki is compared to others? There could be stronger Conq haki and a Tenryubito may just happen to have the lineage of a strong conq. haki so we can't just claim BM's conq. haki is higher than others because of her title, especially if she used other means to attain said title(like her arm haki and DF for instance)
U seriously believe all this u wrote
 

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U seriously believe all this u wrote
Ah the good ol' "I can't detract from the point made so I'll try to detract from the poster personally" I love the classics.

Do you seriously believe Kata is mid diffing a top tier Shichibukai? Is he mid diffing Kuma, Jinbei and Mihawk too?

Do you believe Kata packs more of a punch than G4? And remember Kata doing better against G4 than Doffy does not = Kata having more impact than G4. If one full session of G4 was unable to stop Doffy than Kata needs to show a force well beyond that of G4 do you believe he's done so?

Do you believe BM has the or one of the best conq. haki's in the series? Do you believe it's impossible for someone from a strong lineage(say a D or a Tenryubito) to have stronger conq. haki than her?
 

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Ah the good ol' "I can't detract from the point made so I'll try to detract from the poster personally" I love the classics.
What points are u talking about??? What u wrote above is fanfic like Doffy's endurance > Kata's or Doffy's Conqueror Haki > BM's. So I repeat my question u seriously believe this???


Do you seriously believe Kata is mid diffing a top tier Shichibukai? Is he mid diffing Kuma, Jinbei and Mihawk too?
Yes Kata mid diff Jinbei. Can't say much about Mihawk n Kuma because we haven't seen them(showing what they got).

Do you believe Kata packs more of a punch than G4? And remember Kata doing better against G4 than Doffy does not = Kata having more impact than G4. If one full session of G4 was unable to stop Doffy than Kata needs to show a force well beyond that of G4 do you believe he's done so?
Cracker survived G4 and fought for hours with Luffy.
Let's not forget that SHs found his weakness and still it took hours to beat him.
Now do u think Kata < Cracker?

Do you believe BM has the or one of the best conq. haki's in the series? Do you believe it's impossible for someone from a strong lineage(say a D or a Tenryubito) to have stronger conq. haki than her?
So now Doffy's > Yonko :lmao:
Look Only guy who was hyped to have strongest Conqueror Haki is Shank's and he has no strong lineage. So dont use NDS stupid logic that genes play a role.
 

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The way Luffy does it all the time?

You're using Luffy's interactions against Kata as a guide to how Doffy would do but Doffy could have better ob. haki than Luffy and wouldn't spend as long figuring out why he wasn't landing hits.
Figure what out? Luffy only landed hits because he caught him eating donuts...there is nothing to figure out here. Katakuri will dodge Doflamingo's attacks whether Doflamingo knows its observation or not.
 

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What points are u talking about??? What u wrote above is fanfic like Doffy's endurance > Kata's or Doffy's Conqueror Haki > BM's. So I repeat my question u seriously believe this???
I believe they're unanswered possibilities to his question yes. There's nothing stopping them from being possible and he asked how could Doffy win, these are possible ways Doffy could have an edge over Kata. Also it wasn't that Doffy's endurance > Kata's it was Doffy's endurance>Kata's stamina same as it was>Luffy's G4 stamina and unless Kata can produce a force >>G4 than that is a valid possibility.



Yes Kata mid diff Jinbei. Can't say much about Mihawk n Kuma because we haven't seen them(showing what they got).
You're crazy, he's not even mid diffing Luffy right now, he's using some of his best stuff; awakening, haki level 2(or whatever we're calling it) and Luffy>Doffy 1v1 is still highly debated and Luffy>Mihawk right now I don't think anyone thinks so how is he mid diffing someone above someone he's not mid-diffing? Not to mention Jinbei was shown to have a counter to Kata when he dissolved his mochi back at the wedding.

Cracker survived G4 and fought for hours with Luffy.
Let's not forget that SHs found his weakness and still it took hours to beat him.
Now do u think Kata < Cracker?
No Cracker took one G4 hit and lost the fight, his biscuits fought G4. The issue was surviving G4 with your body, good deflection though. The point was Doffy withstood 1 full run of G4 and still got up before a finishing blow could be landed so has Kata shown fire power far beyond a full run of G4 before he needed his sugar break? Because that's what he would need to prove he could mid diff Doffy.


So now Doffy's > Yonko :lmao:
Look Only guy who was hyped to have strongest Conqueror Haki is Shank's and he has no strong lineage. So dont use NDS stupid logic that genes play a role.
In one aspect, yes it's possible. We don't know Shanks' lineage. Op has shown genes play a role, that's literally the theme of the D family.
 
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Figure what out? Luffy only landed hits because he caught him eating donuts...there is nothing to figure out here. Katakuri will dodge Doflamingo's attacks whether Doflamingo knows its observation or not.
So what you are saying is neither doffy nor luffy have a chance of even touch dog tooth... So would that not be a no-low difficulty victory ? :|

If that is the case how strong do you think he actually is? I mean that would def put him above the Likes of jozu (who in fact got touched by doffy hell he didn't even realize he was there until it was too late) and vista (who didn't just clash with mihawk but fought him pretty evenly). I have already said that most likely that dog tooth is stronger then doffy but I didn't think it would be a huge margin.

I honestly had no idea that ppl pegged him to be this strong.

Curious how do you think dog tooth would fair against doffy and luffy at once. I mean if either of them can really touch him (in your opinion) by themselves how do you think they would fair together? Perhaps low diff (solid) or mid diff?

Or what about vista and jozu how bad would they lose against dog tooth? Hell lets add Marco in there too. Because if doffy (who is commander level whether the base believes it or not, oda has portrayed him as such with interactions with jozu, how much control he had in the world, and to this date he has been Luffy's hardest fight and required luffy strongest ally to defeat?) Cannot touch dog tooth at all (because of observation haki that would mean jozu nor vista wouldn't be able to do much to him either..
So yeah
I'm just curious where do you rank him ? Or do we need to make a tier specifically for him. Let's say super yonko first mate level or something like that?
 

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I believe they're unanswered possibilities to his question yes. There's nothing stopping them from being possible and he asked how could Doffy win, these are possible ways Doffy could have an edge over Kata. Also it wasn't that Doffy's endurance > Kata's it was Doffy's endurance>Kata's stamina same as it was>Luffy's G4 stamina and unless Kata can produce a force >>G4 than that is a valid possibility.





You're crazy, he's not even mid diffing Luffy right now, he's using some of his best stuff; awakening, haki level 2(or whatever we're calling it) and Luffy>Doffy 1v1 is still highly debated and Luffy>Mihawk right now I don't think anyone thinks so how is he mid diffing someone above someone he's not mid-diffing? Not to mention Jinbei was shown to have a counter to Kata when he dissolved his mochi back at the wedding.



No Cracker took one G4 hit and lost the fight, his biscuits fought G4. The issue was surviving G4 with your body, good deflection though. The point was Doffy withstood 1 full run of G4 and still got up before a finishing blow could be landed so has Kata shown fire power far beyond a full run of G4 before he needed his sugar break? Because that's what he would need to prove he could mid diff Doffy.




In one aspect, yes it's possible. We don't know Shanks' lineage. Op has shown genes play a role, that's literally the theme of the D family.
No bro you got it wrong many of these guys believe that dog tooth observation haki is too insane for doffy to be able to touch him at all. So It wouldn't be mid diff my friend it be no-low diff because I fail to see how can someone give someone mid difficulty if they cannot touch thier opponent at all.
With dog tooth observation haki i don't see why people haven't realized that, that is what is going to be the thing that brings him down (please reach neji vs naruto) did the observation haki not literally fail him over and over again at the wedding. Tbh tha t would be his weakness if anything because he sees the future he feels like he knows everything. He pretends to be calm when in turn all he is, is arrogant that s all. It's sort of like enel to me. See the future feel like nothing can stop him. Enel because he was so strong compared to others around him developed a god complex which in turn made him arrogant and thought he couldn't be touched.)
 
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I believe they're unanswered possibilities to his question yes. There's nothing stopping them from being possible and he asked how could Doffy win, these are possible ways Doffy could have an edge over Kata. Also it wasn't that Doffy's endurance > Kata's it was Doffy's endurance>Kata's stamina same as it was>Luffy's G4 stamina and unless Kata can produce a force >>G4 than that is a valid possibility.
Kata has already shown superior Armament Haki and superior Observation Haki. No way a billion beli guy is lower than a guy who is only a 3rd Party in Yonkos crew.



You're crazy, he's not even mid diffing Luffy right now, he's using some of his best stuff; awakening, haki level 2(or whatever we're calling it) and Luffy>Doffy 1v1 is still highly debated and Luffy>Mihawk right now I don't think anyone thinks so how is he mid diffing someone above someone he's not mid-diffing? Not to mention Jinbei was shown to have a counter to Kata when he dissolved his mochi back at the wedding.
So now Luffy and Jinbei are at same lvl???
At what difficulty did Sanji lost to Doffy??? U will get the answer whether or not Kata is mid diff Jinbei or not.
And Luffy surpassed Doffy the moment he fought with Cracker. At Dressrosa he needed fodders to carry him after he ran out of juice. Against Cracker he fought straight 11hours. Not only that he showed a new form to beat Cracker. Let's not forget Luffy was continouly eating Cracker's biscuit(so he regained some health).

No Cracker took one G4 hit and lost the fight, his biscuits fought G4. The issue was surviving G4 with your body, good deflection though. The point was Doffy withstood 1 full run of G4 and still got up before a finishing blow could be landed so has Kata shown fire power far beyond a full run of G4 before he needed his sugar break? Because that's what he would need to prove he could mid diff Doffy.
U need to read/watch the fight again.he fought 11some hours that too when SHs already found weakness in Crackers ability.

How long did the Luffy-Doffy duel lasted???


In one aspect, yes it's possible. We don't know Shanks' lineage. Op has shown genes play a role, that's literally the theme of the D family.
Nice BS. Shanks doesn't have D in his name. Neither does Silver Rayleigh or Whitebeard. But if we use your logic then Doffy is above these guys since he is Celestial Dragon :drip:
 

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Kata has already shown superior Armament Haki and superior Observation Haki. No way a billion beli guy is lower than a guy who is only a 3rd Party in Yonkos crew.
And that has what to do with the concept that Doffy could withstand Kata's attack like he did G4? Showing stats above Doffy aren't the issue, his stats need to be above G4 and significantly at that. Honestly I'm not even sure how to reply to most of this since you keep bringing up side info you want to talk about like Luffy vs Cracker.


So now Luffy and Jinbei are at same lvl???
At what difficulty did Sanji lost to Doffy??? U will get the answer whether or not Kata is mid diff Jinbei or not.
And Luffy surpassed Doffy the moment he fought with Cracker. At Dressrosa he needed fodders to carry him after he ran out of juice. Against Cracker he fought straight 11hours. Not only that he showed a new form to beat Cracker. Let's not forget Luffy was continouly eating Cracker's biscuit(so he regained some health).
I love how you disregard the topic of the sentence to take issue with an aspect you find easier to argue, did I mention Jinbei to Luffy? Bar G4 they are at comparable levels with Luffy just recently definitively surpassing him. Jinbei would also have an advantage in this fight that Luffy doesn't in his ability to dissolve the mochi. Kata's not mid diffing Doffy when he can't mid dif Luffy.


U need to read/watch the fight again.he fought 11some hours that too when SHs already found weakness in Crackers ability.

How long did the Luffy-Doffy duel lasted???
He wasn't in G4 the whole 11 hours so what's your point? And he was only able to sustain G4 use against Cracker because of the biscuits. Luffy would expend G4, Nami would make biscuits soggy, Luffy would eat them then reboost G4 rinse and repeat. And Cracker himself barely fought and when he did was finished with one real attack. We also have no evidence that Luffy exhausted himself during the Cracker fight like he did with Doffy. So what does this have to do with the topics we were discussing? Are you attempting to imply Doffy didn't endure a full G4? That's what it feels like you're trying to say without saying, just come out and say what you're getting at.



Nice BS. Shanks doesn't have D in his name. Neither does Silver Rayleigh or Whitebeard. But if we use your logic then Doffy is above these guys since he is Celestial Dragon :drip:
You seem to be having a hard time discerning between fact and theory so let me try to break it down for you. I never said Shanks had a D in his name I said we don't know his lineage so you're assertion that he has no strong lineage is BS. I didn't say being a Tenryubito automatically grants that he's above them but opens the door that he could possess Conq. on comparable or possibly higher levels due to family similarly to how Luffy will due to his D lineage.
 

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Katakuri high-diff.

One is a Yonko Commander, the other is just a Joker
Lol want to explain to me why that matter? Legit Dogtooth is WAY too hype.. how is he dodging parasite.. oh and lets not forget if hes not looking at you he cant see the future... yeah doffy screws him big time.. btw

Doffy is just a joker? Lol you mean the same doffy who overtook an island.. technically by himself.. and remade it.. or you talking about the guy who gets upset when ppl see his eating frenzie.. lol the same guy who isn't doing NOTHING great aside from fighting luffy and luffy was just toying with him at first. lol Please don't hype dogtooth.. in terms of feats.. Doffy DEMOLISH dogtooth.. the dude has yet done NOTHING worth saying hes hype. lol sorry bro
 

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Lol want to explain to me why that matter? Legit Dogtooth is WAY too hype.. how is he dodging parasite.. oh and lets not forget if hes not looking at you he cant see the future... yeah doffy screws him big time.. btw
Literally he uses future CoO, and his mochi fruit, G4 could break from Parasite, I don't know why Katakuri can't

Doffy is just a joker? Lol you mean the same doffy who overtook an island.. technically by himself.. and remade it.. or you talking about the guy who gets upset when ppl see his eating frenzie.. lol the same guy who isn't doing NOTHING great aside from fighting luffy and luffy was just toying with him at first. lol Please don't hype dogtooth.. in terms of feats.. Doffy DEMOLISH dogtooth.. the dude has yet done NOTHING worth saying hes hype. lol sorry bro
K' lol
 

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Literally he uses future CoO, and his mochi fruit, G4 could break from Parasite, I don't know why Katakuri can't



K' lol
LMAO! BRO WHAT?! Luffy eats mochi.. WHAT?!
Him seeing the future is 1.) Not definite.. He can only see one future and that's shown when luffy was dodging. 2.) He relies too much on that which is a major drawback, cause in the dark with somebody with regular sensing haki like luffy, he would be DEMOLISHED. He can only sense what he Physically sees. 3.) Take away that future seeing (which can be done by making him mad) and hes done for.. lol stop.. hes only powerful cause he can shift his body using future seeing.. Also lets not act like anything that's the same size of his body wont mess him up. Example, A elephant Gun would DEMOLISH him

GTFO DOGTOOTH WANKER
 

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Literally he uses future CoO, and his mochi fruit, G4 could break from Parasite, I don't know why Katakuri can't
Because we don't know how parasite works technically. For all we know and what's been hinted is Parasite over rides the affected's will so perhaps the reason Luffy was able to break free was his will was greater than Doffy's. Jozu was unable to break free so I find it unlikely that physical strength is required to break out of Parasite. And even if it was physical strength you could argue that with them both being top tier commanders(Jozu and Kata) that they are comparable and yet Jozu couldn't escape. So what guarantees Kata could escape?



 

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LMAO! BRO WHAT?! Luffy eats mochi.. WHAT?!
Him seeing the future is 1.) Not definite.. He can only see one future and that's shown when luffy was dodging. 2.) He relies too much on that which is a major drawback, cause in the dark with somebody with regular sensing haki like luffy, he would be DEMOLISHED. He can only sense what he Physically sees. 3.) Take away that future seeing (which can be done by making him mad) and hes done for.. lol stop.. hes only powerful cause he can shift his body using future seeing.. Also lets not act like anything that's the same size of his body wont mess him up. Example, A elephant Gun would DEMOLISH him

GTFO DOGTOOTH WANKER
lol gtfo urself getting excited for ?
Katakuri was literally the one toying with Luffy, name a top tier who would have eaten the Mochi ?
1) He have his composure, I don't see how Doffy can piss Kata off 2) He can see Doffy using Parasite and knowing where or how he will use it. Idk what you're talking about Parasite is not an astarl attack or something, it's just invisible strings, Katakuri can pretty much foresee it. 3) Take it away how now ? And BIG LMFAO at bold, I guess his Armament Haki mastery is shite ? Peerless Donuts almost knocking G4 Luffy off lmao, how about Kata never falling on his back tanking few KG's ? (while Doffy was like "uugghhh obscene power" lol

An elephant gun would demolish Katakuri ? I guess that's why Kata's Elephant Gun neg diffed G3 Luffy ?
 

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lol gtfo urself getting excited for ?
Katakuri was literally the one toying with Luffy, name a top tier who would have eaten the Mochi ?
1) He have his composure, I don't see how Doffy can piss Kata off 2) He can see Doffy using Parasite and knowing where or how he will use it. Idk what you're talking about Parasite is not an astarl attack or something, it's just invisible strings, Katakuri can pretty much foresee it. 3) Take it away how now ? And BIG LMFAO at bold, I guess his Armament Haki mastery is shite ? Peerless Donuts almost knocking G4 Luffy off lmao, how about Kata never falling on his back tanking few KG's ? (while Doffy was like "uugghhh obscene power" lol

An elephant gun would demolish Katakuri ? I guess that's why Kata's Elephant Gun neg diffed G3 Luffy ?
you a dogtooth wanker. lol Nice nice.. oh btw.. lets act like doffy insides weren't destroyed and damn near was at way less than half strength but still gave luffy a run.. well actually doffy alone beats luffy.. but a 1v1 vs kat and he still standing strong.. lol oh btw.. kat elephant gun beat luffy.. I said if he took it himself he would be done.. lol noob
 
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