[Discussion] Doflamingo vs Katakuri

[ToshiZO]

Not really. Katakuri just hasn't shown anything to suggest he's stomping Doffy like people think they are.

Mid diffs, not stomps. High diff at the absolute worst case scenario and that's a reach. Doesn't matter either way, Katakuri is > Doflamingo no need to get into irrelevant debates.

As mentioned before, Katakuri's capacity to damage Luffy in G4 is reasonably attributable to Doflamingo, being that it took Luffy 20 mins to finally get past it.

No it isn't. Halloween's over, this isn't a trick or treat hand me down feats. Katakuri nearly put Luffy to bed when he was in G4 with one attack, Doflamingo was having trouble doing any damage to him on screen, he could hold him off and he gets credit for that but attack power? No can do, his awakening strings were barely giving a weakened base Luffy deep stabs and he canonically failed to scratch G4 Luffy without it.

Lets say Doflamingo vs Katakuri happens, Doflamingo will find it tough to even land a blow on him while Katakuri has seemingly G4 level attacks in his arsenal. Better CoA, better CoO, better attack power, solid endurance, no weaknesses. Only 1 weakness was being caught eating donuts which is situational and convenience for Luffy.

So how exactly is Doflamingo supposed to take down Katakuri?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Mid diffs, not stomps. High diff at the absolute worst case scenario and that's a reach. Doesn't matter either way, Katakuri is > Doflamingo no need to get into irrelevant debates.

Nah, issa high diff.

No it isn't. Halloween's over, this isn't a trick or treat hand me down feats. Katakuri nearly put Luffy to bed when he was in G4 with one attack, Doflamingo was having trouble doing any damage to him on screen, he could hold him off and he gets credit for that but attack power? No can do,

You don't spend 20 minutes trying to find a way around something after complaining about racing against the clock without that thing having the capacity to do serious damage.

his awakening strings were barely giving a weakened base Luffy deep stabs and he canonically failed to scratch G4 Luffy without it.

Because we've seen Katakuri damage G4 Luffy without Awakening, right?

Lets say Doflamingo vs Katakuri happens, Doflamingo will find it tough to even land a blow on him while Katakuri has seemingly G4 level attacks in his arsenal.

As does Doflamingo. With the speed to blitz G4, dodge attacks, and attack power that kept Luffy while he was rushing against the clock on the defense for 20 minutes.

 

[Dannie]

-Thinks Doflamingo is stronger than G4 luffy

I mean sure, when it comes to brute strength G4 Luffy is stronger than Flamingo, but G4 was shown to not even completely take down Flamingo bar KKG. Flamingo was eating all of Luffy's G4 attacks, was able to dodge another gear attack despite being hit many times prior, and then used awakening. Luffy's G4 timed out and he had to receive help from other people just to restore his haki and use G4 again. What would have happened if Luffy had no one to help him restore his haki and he was still laying on the ground?

In a realistic all out fresh battle, a g4 Luffy is not beating a 100% fresh Doffy when it was already shown that he could not last long enough to beat even a damaged Doffy before his timer runs out. All of this, and with the added facts that if Law was never there, Doffy would have never been damaged and Luffy would have been in even worse shape before using G4.

 

[ToshiZO]

Nah, issa high diff.


You don't spend 20 minutes trying to find a way around something after complaining about racing against the clock without that thing having the capacity to do serious damage.


Because we've seen Katakuri damage G4 Luffy without Awakening, right?


As does Doflamingo. With the speed to blitz G4, dodge attacks, and attack power that kept Luffy while he was rushing against the clock on the defense for 20 minutes.

Maybe because that amount of strings is hard to get around? It's like being constantly pushed back by something, even if it can't damage Luffy the strings were constantly pushing him back, and they were a threat to pin Luffy down in order to restrain him. I don't know if you know this but awakening provided an amazing defense for Doflamingo.

Also here's a fun fact, just because there is a possibility the strings could damage G4, it doesn't magically get to be on Katakuri's strong mochi's level. That's not how this works.

Let's keep it real simple. Oda highlighted this attack to do major damage to G4 Luffy for the first time, Doflamingo's attacks were not on par.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Maybe because that amount of strings is hard to get around? It's like being constantly pushed back by something, even if it can't damage Luffy the strings were constantly pushing him back, and they were a threat to pin Luffy down in order to restrain him. I don't know if you know this but awakening provided an amazing defense for Doflamingo.

Makes perfect sense. After voicing that he doesn't have time to waste, Luffy chose to dodge things that lack the capacity to hurt him instead of tanking through them to finish off the situation as quick as possible. Sounds about right.

Also here's a fun fact, just because there is a possibility the strings could damage G4, it doesn't magically get to be on Katakuri's strong mochi's level. That's not how this works.

The fact that a Kong Gun broke through a defense mounted using his Advanced Mochi/Haki combos demonstrates that Katakuri's physical strength/Haki isn't any better than G4's level. The fact that Doflamingo's Awakening fended off G4 Luffy demonstrates that it's on that level. Put two and two together.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You're either

1.Retarded
2.Trolling
3.Incredibly stubborn.

Well I know you’re retarded. After coming back from the versus section saying some stupid shit about Hidan beating kamui, you’re the last piece of shit to have any say whatsoever.
So an idiot trying to call another person a lot more mentally capable than him means absolutely nothing.

Like I said, Dofy did not have Haki on his strings.

 

[ToshiZO]

Makes perfect sense. After voicing that he doesn't have time to waste, Luffy chose to dodge things that lack the capacity to hurt him instead of tanking through them to finish off the situation as quick as possible. Sounds about right.


The fact that a Kong Gun broke through a defense mounted using his Advanced Mochi/Haki combos demonstrates that Katakuri's physical strength/Haki isn't any better than G4's level. The fact that Doflamingo's Awakening fended off G4 Luffy demonstrates that it's on that level. Put two and two together.

Guy we're talking about attack power, not physical strength and haki, attack power can overpower those with even stronger haki than you. This was established pre timeskip with the Boa sisters. Katakuri has better armamnent than Luffy but that's besides the point.

Regarding Luffy dodging instead of ramming into the strings, did you not understand my last post, those things could be enough of a force to push him back but not damage him, but again this point is irrelevant.

You still haven't addressed the main point which is you magically giving Doflamingo's strings strong mochi level of attack power.

This is what those strings were doing to a base Luffy.

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this is what Katakuri did.

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Stop over complicating this stuff ffs, but atleast even you know he's not beating Doflamingo so all is well I guess, I'm not about to argue with you forever on pointless nonsense, like you would love to do.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I mean sure, when it comes to brute strength G4 Luffy is stronger than Flamingo, but G4 was shown to not even completely take down Flamingo bar KKG. Flamingo was eating all of Luffy's G4 attacks, was able to dodge another gear attack despite being hit many times prior, and then used awakening. Luffy's G4 timed out and he had to receive help from other people just to restore his haki and use G4 again. What would have happened if Luffy had no one to help him restore his haki and he was still laying on the ground?

So flopping around all over the island is “eating all of his shots?” Of course with this idiot.
Now I said Gear 4 luffy, which excluded the fact that it timed out but that is all circumstantial considering the fact that luffy was weakened before enter gear 4 in the first place.
Also not only in strength but in Haki luffy was vastly superior.

So if you wanna play little scenario here then what would happen if luffy didn’t fight everyone in th whole of dessrosa and fought Doflamingo directly instead? Well?
Maybe he’ll last longer like he did training with Rayleigh or fighting with Dogtooth.
Did you ever take that into consideration? All dofy did was take 5 hits to the face before slipping in and out of consciousness, so how many seconds does one more hit take?

In a realistic all out fresh battle, a g4 Luffy is not beating a 100% fresh Doffy when it was already shown that he could not last long enough to beat even a damaged Doffy before his timer runs out. All of this, and with the added facts that if Law was never there, Doffy would have never been damaged and Luffy would have been in even worse shape before using G4.

Only a complete fanboy or a idiot would think that since dofy never fought a 100% luffy like Cracker and dogtooth. Luffy was already out of stamina before their fight. So be that guy will yeah?
Dofy’s consciousness doesn’t rest in the organ he just stitched together, so if getting stabbed is that too much for him then he has no business being a warlord.

 

[Dannie]

So flopping around all over the island is “eating all of his shots?” Of course with this idiot.
Now I said Gear 4 luffy, which excluded the fact that it timed out but that is all circumstantial considering the fact that luffy was weakened before enter gear 4 in the first place.
Also not only in strength but in Haki luffy was vastly superior.

So if you wanna play little scenario here then what would happen if luffy didn’t fight everyone in th whole of dessrosa and fought Doflamingo directly instead? Well?
Maybe he’ll last longer like he did training with Rayleigh or fighting with Dogtooth.
Did you ever take that into consideration? All dofy did was take 5 hits to the face before slipping in and out of consciousness, so how many seconds does one more hit take?

Only a complete fanboy or a idiot would think that since dofy never fought a 100% luffy like Cracker and dogtooth. Luffy was already out of stamina before their fight. So be that guy will yeah?
Dofy’s consciousness doesn’t rest in the organ he just stitched together, so if getting stabbed is that too much for him then he has no business being a warlord.

More with these kindergarten insults. Yikes.

If you get punched twice, get back up, dodge the same attack that hit you before as if the previous attacks did nothing, then use awakening while smiling as if the previous attacks did nothing, then yes you are pretty much just eating the attacks. It's not like Doflamingo was in pain after he got hit by those attacks or struggling to get up, like with Law's attack and had to use his strings to do surgery. If Doffy actually got knocked out and went unconscious from those attacks then this wouldn't be the point, but that didn't happen now did it?

This is stupid. If Luffy went to Doflamingo directly then he still would've got stomped since Law wouldn't have been there to aid him, not to mention that fighting a bunch of scrubs in a colosseum is not comparable to having your organs damaged, so it's not like Luffy lost a lot of stamina anyway.

What would have made any difference if Bellamy didn't interfere against Luffy or he never fought in the colosseum and he still went to Doffy straight up? Nothing. Anything below G4 was shown absolutely useless and his regular G4 attacks were not keeping Doffy down. His time limit was too short and Doffy would've killed him if not for the major assistance that he received, and obviously in a 1v1 he won't be having any assistance. Luffy would have to use a KKG at the get go to actually manage.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Regarding Luffy dodging instead of ramming into the strings, did you not understand my last post, those things could be enough of a force to push him back but not damage him, but again this point is irrelevant.

This doesn't really add up with what we've seen of the clash between the two. For one thing, we see Doffy's Awakened thread draw blood from Luffy at one point during his dodging of them. Secondly, Luffy wasn't getting any closer to Doflamingo from bouncing around randomly. Dodging or getting pushed back by force, either way, yields the same result, so why bother dodging something that can't hurt you the way Luffy did, especially when they were aimed to impale/slice and not sweep or launch him back.

You still haven't addressed the main point which is you magically giving Doflamingo's strings strong mochi level of attack power.

lmao dawg...the point you just tried to refute is the point I made addressing this.

This is what those strings were doing to a base Luffy.

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this is what Katakuri did.

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1. I never said they deal the same damage, I said they were on the same level.

2. The difference being what exactly? That Luffy's eyes went white? Luffy's base kick made Katakuri's eyes go white, you're gonna say that Luffy can do the same amount of damage in base that Kata did to G4 with advanced Haki and advanced Mochi? lmao

Stop over complicating this stuff ffs, but atleast even you know he's not beating Doflamingo so all is well I guess, I'm not about to argue with you forever on pointless nonsense, like you would love to do.

LMAO you really think you're saving face when you've already been debating this forever? You on a forum with anime characters as your pic arguing about which drawing will beat the other and you tryna act like you more dignified than anyone else doing the exact same thing? Get real lmao

 

[ToshiZO]

LMAO you really think you're saving face when you've already been debating this forever? You on a forum with anime characters as your pic arguing about which drawing will beat the other and you tryna act like you more dignified than anyone else doing the exact same thing? Get real lmao

Did I hurt your feelings? I'd rather talk about stuff that I'm interested in and things that actually matter in this verse. Whether Doflamingo gets mid diffed or high diffed vs Katakuri is not worth me going in circles with you for, it's boring and tiring af.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Did I hurt your feelings?

I could ask you the same thing Mr. "I only debate which drawing beats up the other the classy, dignified way."

 

[ToshiZO]

I could ask you the same thing Mr. "I only debate which drawing beats up the other the classy, dignified way."

First time someone called me classy and dignified on this forum, weird I didn't think I gave off such a vibe lmfao. Interesting take.

 

[LBeezy]

Luffy > Doflamingo

 

[chopstickchakra]

Well I know you’re retarded. After coming back from the versus section saying some stupid shit about Hidan beating kamui, you’re the last piece of shit to have any say whatsoever.
So an idiot trying to call another person a lot more mentally capable than him means absolutely nothing.

Like I said, Dofy did not have Haki on his strings.

So then what was it on the ends of the strings? It's fine if you disagree they were covered in Haki but what is the alternative?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

More with these kindergarten insults. Yikes.

What insults?

If you get punched twice, get back up, dodge the same attack that hit you before as if the previous attacks did nothing, then use awakening while smiling as if the previous attacks did nothing, then yes you are pretty much just eating the attacks. It's not like Doflamingo was in pain after he got hit by those attacks or struggling to get up, like with Law's attack and had to use his strings to do surgery. If Doffy actually got knocked out and went unconscious from those attacks then this wouldn't be the point, but that didn't happen now did it?

This is just dumb asf. What does smiling have to do with getting your ass kicked?
And dodging hits? What manga are you reading? Doflamingo didn’t dodge a single hit, all 5 hits connected to his face and torso. And then after getting smashed by Leo bazooka, he was temporarily out of commission to the point luffy was waiting to see if he was conscious or not. The only way he was able to tell was by looking at the birdcahe, and even then all he needed was one more kong gun to put him out completely before timing out. If he didn’t wait to see if dofy was conscious or not, that fight would’ve been over.
A one sided ass whooping is not tanking or eating shots. Eating shots is what Dogtooth did to Gear 4 luffy with his back not even touching the floor and retaliating more pissed off than he was hurt.

This is stupid. If Luffy went to Doflamingo directly then he still would've got stomped since Law wouldn't have been there to aid him, not to mention that fighting a bunch of scrubs in a colosseum is not comparable to having your organs damaged, so it's not like Luffy lost a lot of stamina anyway.

See this is idiotic shit that I’m talking about right here. Luffy would’ve lost Doflamingo with full power? So you’re gonna ignore the officers and Bellmay he battled against too? All Doflamingo did was get stabbed. Is getting stabbed really going to deter your devil fruit capabilities? Zoro got his organs rupture too when he gets stabbed in part 1 yet he still gets up and get his job done right when fighting his enemies. However when dofy gets stabbed its damage is now more than the cummilitive ones that everybody receives? You can’t even use ruptured organs as an excuse, he stitched it back up anyways. So what does a stitched up organ do to you exactly? Well?
Luffy expended so much Haki and stamina fighting an army of people then gets sliced and pummeled by Bellamy for a long time before entering Gear 4th. He lost a ton of stamina because of that, wtf are you talking about?
When he was in kuji island training there were some monsters stronger than the Kong Gun, he had to get up and run all the way to Rayleigh to come up with another move to take out that beast completely. This feat is something he was hardly able to do in dressrosa because of all the stamina and Haki he expended since the beginning of that arc.

What would have made any difference if Bellamy didn't interfere against Luffy or he never fought in the colosseum and he still went to Doffy straight up? Nothing. Anything below G4 was shown absolutely useless and his regular G4 attacks were not keeping Doffy down. His time limit was too short and Doffy would've killed him if not for the major assistance that he received, and obviously in a 1v1 he won't be having any assistance. Luffy would have to use a KKG at the get go to actually manage.

What is your damage?
Red hawk puts dofy on his ass and G3 has too power for him that he needs to evade it. And when luffy was smacking his face around in base, those hits actual did something so i don’t know what you’re talking about.
The assistance dofy had just to fight luffy was stacked in his favor. If it was a one on one match, luffy smashed Doflamingo completely with no stamina issue. He came in there with low stamina and injuried landing 5 hits on Dofy before putting him out complete with one more. He was getting utterly smashed with 5 hits, that’s only 5 and you’re telling me that he can beat that?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

So then what was it on the ends of the strings? It's fine if you disagree they were covered in Haki but what is the alternative?

Blood. If Doflamingo was able even able to cover his strings in Haki, the tip of the strings would not only be colored. The whole line would’ve been covered black just like Dogtooth’s mochi donut was covered all in black. Doflamingo cannot cover something that he himself has not touched directly in Haki anyways.

And on top of that, Haki requires stamina to use. Doflamingo had no stamina left, so how is he using Haki with no stamina?

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It’s funny how people just jump the gun and listen to that complete retard toshizo without even properly taking into consideration on what’s going on. At least you’re intelligent enough to ask.

I mean the idiot sees black color then all of a sudden it’s Haki now? I guess fujitori will be coming around soon with his Haki covered gravity too huh? Like wtf are people on when it comes to Doflamingo?

 

[MadaraReturns]

Doflamingo never wins against Katakuri, he couldn't even hurt G4 and couldn't dodge its attacks. Katakuri will overpower Doffy in every way (no stomp or something, but mid-high diff at max

 

[OG sama]

Katakuri wins and that hasn't changed tbh, Kata can even trade blows with G4 something Mingo could not do.

Doflamingo is Cracker level.

 

[TheNuetrix]

What would happen if Doflamingo and Dogtooth's awakenings clashed. Mingo turning mochi into string and Piranha face Katakuri turning strings into mochi?