[Discussion] Doflamingo and his question..

[KingHashirama]

I'm confused on what Doflamingo meant by him saying he was keeping them under control or whatever.. I mean Kaido or any of the emperors could've wiped the floor with him.. and then people like Luffy were never under his control.

Also, does he not know that the Yonko rule the seas in the new world? Their name after all is the "emperors"... and about the whole throne wars.. Why hasn't any of the Yonko actually tried to conquer the grandline so far.. yet Doflamingo is making it seem like suddenly with him gone, all 4 of them will aim for it now. Makes zero sense to me.

Unless there is some super strong enemy standing between Raftel and people going there.. i don't see why the Yonko would've try to conquer it. And they aren't supposedly like the Pirate King, as we don't know if Roger had any "territories" that he ruled over like an emperor.. while the Yonko have many territories. Roger never really "ruled" the seas, he was just a guy who did whatever he wanted from what we have been told. The guy even turned himself in.



1. Is Doflamingo overrating himself a bit too much here or no?
2. Are the Yonko gonna start competing against themselves for Raftel?
3. Are the warlords now gonna enter the race?
4. Aren't Supernovas the only one shown to be aiming towards that goal, out of the strong pirates?
5. Is there a bigger enemy before raftel, that they have to defeat to get there? An enemy that is neutral , maybe a monster or something.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I think WB was a deterrent to anyone seeking OP almost like a gatekeeper maybe, everyone knew if they looked for it seriously they would eventually cross WB and not a lot seemed to want that. Shanks never seemed interested(he and Buggy should know where Roger left OP or at least where Raftle is and how to get there)

 

[Kingu]

If number 5 is a monster, it's probably that egg on Roger's ship, I think it's called a Yoshi Jk. Seriously it could be

 

[Angelic.]

idk but it made me hype

 

[KingHashirama]

I think WB was a deterrent to anyone seeking OP almost like a gatekeeper maybe, everyone knew if they looked for it seriously they would eventually cross WB and not a lot seemed to want that. Shanks never seemed interested(he and Buggy should know where Roger left OP or at least where Raftle is and how to get there)

Exactly, and then Big mama and Kaidou don't seem interested either. And BB seems more interested in just gaining power.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo was a major supplier and broker in the black marker. They needed something, he got deals made. With that gone, those who got stuff via deals made by Joker will use their own means to get it, namely, force.

Doflamingo was feeding the beasts. With no one to feed them, the beasts will now hunt.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

I'm confused on what Doflamingo meant by him saying he was keeping them under control or whatever.. I mean Kaido or any of the emperors could've wiped the floor with him.. and then people like Luffy were never under his control.

Also, does he not know that the Yonko rule the seas in the new world? Their name after all is the "emperors"... and about the whole throne wars.. Why hasn't any of the Yonko actually tried to conquer the grandline so far.. yet Doflamingo is making it seem like suddenly with him gone, all 4 of them will aim for it now. Makes zero sense to me.

Unless there is some super strong enemy standing between Raftel and people going there.. i don't see why the Yonko would've try to conquer it. And they aren't supposedly like the Pirate King, as we don't know if Roger had any "territories" that he ruled over like an emperor.. while the Yonko have many territories. Roger never really "ruled" the seas, he was just a guy who did whatever he wanted from what we have been told. The guy even turned himself in.



1. Is Doflamingo overrating himself a bit too much here or no?
2. Are the Yonko gonna start competing against themselves for Raftel?
3. Are the warlords now gonna enter the race?
4. Aren't Supernovas the only one shown to be aiming towards that goal, out of the strong pirates?
5. Is there a bigger enemy before raftel, that they have to defeat to get there? An enemy that is neutral , maybe a monster or something.

Doffy was:
1. "Taming" Kaido, because Kaido wait the perfect time to waging war with WG (and it time was supposed on Doffy hand, i.e smile control). With stopped smile supply, it can be said that Kaido will soon make a big move and will start a big turmoil on New World.
2. A major supplier in the black market, so every klien will do what they can to take revenge.

 

[loj]

If number 5 is a monster, it's probably that egg on Roger's ship, I think it's called a Yoshi Jk. Seriously it could be

U know that would be ****ing epic if this is true!

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Well doffy if u think about it was a link to everyone as a broker like everyone said ...

Also I want to know what injection shot did to doffy I have no proof but I feel like it weakened him (along with gamma knife ripping his organs) cuz he went from having a clone with strong enough Haki to easily swat away jet pistol to after gamma knife being barely able to react to the speed of luffy in which he was able to outclass him... (Bar gear 4th)

So I think a lot played into doffy downfall other then just straw hat beating him...
U have to factor in law and his injection shot/gamma knife
As well as entire dress rosa protecting luffy when he was down allowing him to heal...

 

[kageking]

Balance of power. With mingo around there was balance, now he's gone there is a gap in the power heirarchy which leads to struggle for supremacy ergo chaos war etc.

 

[KingHashirama]

Balance of power. With mingo around there was balance, now he's gone there is a gap in the power heirarchy which leads to struggle for supremacy ergo chaos war etc.

what balance did he provide?

 

[Punk Hazard]

what balance did he provide?

Think of it this way. A dangerous pirate wants guns. Another dangerous pirate wants bombs, and another dangerous pirate wants a certain Devil Fruit. Doflamingo, a broker, can set up a trade to give that pirate the DF, and in exchange, give the second pirate the bombs he wants, who Doffy allows to be in the deal so he can give the first pirate the guns he wants, so Doffy can get the dangerous chemical he wants from the first. If you remove Doffy, that first pirate may find a different broker, or he may attack the second pirate for his bombs. That pirate's allies get involved, more allies get involved, war breaks loose. Now imagine this happening between several other groups.

 

[KingHashirama]

Think of it this way. A dangerous pirate wants guns. Another dangerous pirate wants bombs, and another dangerous pirate wants a certain Devil Fruit. Doflamingo, a broker, can set up a trade to give that pirate the DF, and in exchange, give the second pirate the bombs he wants, who Doffy allows to be in the deal so he can give the first pirate the guns he wants, so Doffy can get the dangerous chemical he wants from the first. If you remove Doffy, that first pirate may find a different broker, or he may attack the second pirate for his bombs. That pirate's allies get involved, more allies get involved, war breaks loose. Now imagine this happening between several other groups.

But was he not under Kaido tho? I thought everything he was doing was under Kaido. Can you elaborate on the connection between him and Kaido, since i might be confused about that.

 

[Punk Hazard]

But was he not under Kaido tho? I thought everything he was doing was under Kaido. Can you elaborate on the connection between him and Kaido, since i might be confused about that.

Kaido is one of his clients. In exchange for protection, Caesar provides Doffy with SAD, which Doffy makes SMILE out of that he then sells to Kaido.

 

[sage1999]

The egg on Roger shape is Chtulu..
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Tho i think the reason the Yonko havent aimed for the PK in a very hardcore style is cos they are content to rule over their areas. Luffy and Roger did not care about conquering but rather being free so they wont be content being a simple Yonko. Plus I would say tht its cos the Ynko know about the delicate balance between Shichibukai, Admiral and Navy but Kaido doesnt give a shit

 

[KingHashirama]

Kaido is one of his clients. In exchange for protection, Caesar provides Doffy with SAD, which Doffy makes SMILE out of that he then sells to Kaido.

oh shit, thought he was like Kaido's underling.

Thought the whole "throne wars" would start when the first Yonko gets taken down.

 

[Punk Hazard]

oh shit, thought he was like Kaido's underling.

Thought the whole "throne wars" would start when the first Yonko gets taken down.

It's gonna be gradual. More and more people, unable to get what they want through Doffy's deals, will resort to taking it by force. The more people fight each other, the more the beasts show their fangs, the more they'll compare it. As people fight, the war will gradually turn towards seizing the reins and the throne as the strongest in order to win.

 

[ahmo]

Well doffy if u think about it was a link to everyone as a broker like everyone said ...

Also I want to know what injection shot did to doffy I have no proof but I feel like it weakened him (along with gamma knife ripping his organs) cuz he went from having a clone with strong enough Haki to easily swat away jet pistol to after gamma knife being barely able to react to the speed of luffy in which he was able to outclass him... (Bar gear 4th)

So I think a lot played into doffy downfall other then just straw hat beating him...
U have to factor in law and his injection shot/gamma knife
As well as entire dress rosa protecting luffy when he was down allowing him to heal...

okay man, don't bring the salt in here, please

 

[Bogard]

Yonko or Shichibukai are supposed to be the ones ruling the seas, but he is questioning if it's not one of the worse generation instead after acknowleding their potential, although officially they aren't and thus expecting a great war between these powers and even greater danger to the Mariejoa Celestial Dragons now in an era with much more pirates than 25years ago

 

[keshav31]

I'm confused on what Doflamingo meant by him saying he was keeping them under control or whatever.. I mean Kaido or any of the emperors could've wiped the floor with him.. and then people like Luffy were never under his control.

Also, does he not know that the Yonko rule the seas in the new world? Their name after all is the "emperors"... and about the whole throne wars.. Why hasn't any of the Yonko actually tried to conquer the grandline so far.. yet Doflamingo is making it seem like suddenly with him gone, all 4 of them will aim for it now. Makes zero sense to me.

Unless there is some super strong enemy standing between Raftel and people going there.. i don't see why the Yonko would've try to conquer it. And they aren't supposedly like the Pirate King, as we don't know if Roger had any "territories" that he ruled over like an emperor.. while the Yonko have many territories. Roger never really "ruled" the seas, he was just a guy who did whatever he wanted from what we have been told. The guy even turned himself in.



1. Is Doflamingo overrating himself a bit too much here or no?
2. Are the Yonko gonna start competing against themselves for Raftel?
3. Are the warlords now gonna enter the race?
4. Aren't Supernovas the only one shown to be aiming towards that goal, out of the strong pirates?
5. Is there a bigger enemy before raftel, that they have to defeat to get there? An enemy that is neutral , maybe a monster or something.

I think now weapon is gone and one would try to suppress others.So Yonko has to take stand as the ground of New world is shaking so someone has to go to the top to get everything.As now everyone stand for his own which which will make NW more risky. Doffy talk about food source which can be smile or business going underground which doffy control.As now things are going to be open which create problem.As we all know when things are not going as planned you have to change.In NW Yonko business is going well so they don't mind anything but now that changes things.