Does the theme of forgiveness in Naruto go too far?

[Shadow Phantasm]

No considering Obito saved the entire team 7. Sakura from Madara rod. Kakashi multiple times. Naruto by giving him Kurama. Sasuke getting him out of that dimension.

And several small acts of good make for the tons of bad how?Obito was the main reason any of this started to begin with,he doesn't get brownie points for helping to clean up his own mess.

 

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And several small acts of good make for the tons of bad how?Obito was the main reason any of this started to begin with,he doesn't get brownie points for helping to clean up his own mess.

Explain to me then how holding a grudge and hate over it changes anything?

 

[MrSogen]

Narujesus forgives all. I'm sorry I just had the say that. Lol​

Ahahahahahahahah lmao!
OT: Zabuza was another one too..

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

but this doesn't mean that naruto and shinobi alliance don't give him punishment and forget about all his crimes.

It does,because ultimately Kishi is the one who decides what the characters in the story will act or feel.He thinks Obito deserves forgiveness so that's what everyone else will think as well.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Explain to me then how holding a grudge and hate over it changes anything?

It's not about holding grudges or hate,it's about holding someone accountable for their crimes and getting justice for the people they hurt/killed.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Since the story is a Buddhist allegory we can reason that if Obito were evil his Karma will determine his next reincarnation. They've all been murderers at some point in their past lives.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Narujesus forgives all. I'm sorry I just had the say that. Lol​

Indeed he does.

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[Shadow Phantasm]

Indeed he does.

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All he needs is a halo and robes now.Lol

 

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It's not about holding grudges or hate,it's about holding someone accountable for their crimes and getting justice for the people they hurt/killed.

That's the same thing.

Obito was going to be punished by Konoha either way he wasn't getting off scott free

 

[take it easy]

It's not about holding grudges or hate,it's about holding someone accountable for their crimes and getting justice for the people they hurt/killed.

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[Tennis Robot]

When someone commits rape they ruin the life of the person being raped.Many rape victims say they have trouble living a normal life afterwards and some become depressed and even suicidal.Mass murderers kill hundreds,even thousands of innocent people,the survivors are mentally,physically,and emotionally scarred for life.

It takes a really evil person to do those things,sometimes they didn't even need a reason other than because they could.

I think you'll find that they actually have legitimate reasons for doing what they do that make their actions understandable. I won't go into that here though. I might make a thread soon.

Also, let me ask you something:

Do you think that just killing these people will change anything? If you just immediately write their actions off as unforgivable and kill them, how will you be able to further understand their motives? You see, these people become the way they are due to their own experiences, and they often have very similar backgrounds. Sometimes they legitimately don’t know better. If we took the time to be nice to these criminals, to try to understand them, we would be able to help them understand the implications of their actions and hopefully change themselves for the better. Killing a killer is the cowardly thing to do. What reason do we have to fear our own kind?

We are all humans. If we collectively tried to be more empathetic, I believe that we could eventually achieve peace.

 

[saw2097]

Would it be better to hold a pointless grudge against someone who will die anyway?

What does that grudge accomplish?

Martin Luther King also believed in forgiveness, as did many other historical figures.

Forgiving isn't easy, but the world would be a better place if more people were willing to forgive, hatred and grudges are how wars are started.

Forgiving is how alliances started, the Five Great Nations all hated each other and had good reasons to, but they forgave and built an alliance to save the world.

The same goes with alliances in the real world, countries that were once enemies become allies.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

That's the same thing.

No it's not,grudges/hate and justice are totally different concepts.

 

[LeSauce]

I don't think something like that can ever go too far. Anything should be forgivable. Just be wary of people who will try to take advantage of kindness. Still forgive them though.

"The hardest thing is to forgive, but God does
Even if you murdered or robbed, yeah it's wrong, but God loves"​

I agree with this, but I don't agree with praising the person. They're 2 different things.

 

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No it's not,grudges/hate and justice are totally different concepts.

And how was Obito not going to get Punished for what he done?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I think you'll find that they actually have legitimate reasons for doing what they do that make their actions understandable. I won't go into that here though. I might make a thread soon.

Also, let me ask you something:

Do you think that just killing these people will change anything? If you just immediately write their actions off as unforgivable and kill them, how will you be able to further understand their motives? You see, these people become the way they are due to their own experiences, and they often have very similar backgrounds. Sometimes they legitimately don’t know better. If we took the time to be nice to these criminals, to try to understand them, we would be able to help them understand the implications of their actions and hopefully change themselves for the better. Killing a killer is the cowardly thing to do. What reason do we have to fear our own kind?

We are all humans. If we collectively tried to be more empathetic, I believe that we could eventually achieve peace.

If their crimes warrant death then so be it,the bigger the crime is the bigger the punishment.You don't need to understand a serial killer to know that they are very flawed human beings that should not be released near people again.

 

[Jimihendrix]

I don't think something like that can ever go too far. Anything should be forgivable. Just be wary of people who will try to take advantage of kindness. Still forgive them though.

"The hardest thing is to forgive, but God does
Even if you murdered or robbed, yeah it's wrong, but God loves"​

The funny thing about this?? God is actually incapable of forgiving, that's why he had to send his only son to die for everyone's sins--that's why there;s a heaven and there's a hell (in terms of the Christian belief, at least)

See the faultiness with such logic?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Would it be better to hold a pointless grudge against someone who will die anyway?

What does that grudge accomplish?

Martin Luther King also believed in forgiveness, as did many other historical figures.

Forgiving isn't easy, but the world would be a better place if more people were willing to forgive, hatred and grudges are how wars are started.

Forgiving is how alliances started, the Five Great Nations all hated each other and had good reasons to, but they forgave and built an alliance to save the world.

The same goes with alliances in the real world, countries that were once enemies become allies.

Forgiveness is a noble concept but one that should be applied with reason.And no I don't believe in holding grudges,I believe in accountability and justice.If someone kills a person then they should be punished.

 

[frostid flaeks]

Narujesus forgives all. I'm sorry I just had the say that. Lol​

I second this.
And, TnJ.

 

[Tennis Robot]

If their crimes warrant death then so be it,the bigger the crime the bigger the punishment.You don't need to understand a serial killer to know that they are very flawed human beings that should not be released near people again.

You said that it wasn't about holding a grudge. What about you makes you qualified to determine that another human is flawed? What is a person who isn't flawed? Is the opposite of flawed not perfect?