Does the theme of forgiveness in Naruto go too far?

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After thinking on this for a bit and reading a thread talking about the contrast in morals on another forum,I decided to make this thread to discuss if Naruto's theme of forgiveness and redemption gets applied too much.

Some characters in the series are guilty of various crimes ranging from kidnapping,terrorism,mass murder etc;.Certain ones were forgiven for their acts but is there a limit to how much you can forgive someone?

For example the friends and families of the people Obito and Madara had killed would certainly have wanted them to brought to justice.

But lately Kishi seems to be sending the message that if you do one act of good will compared to the dozens of crimes you committed, then you're absolved of all responsibility and can go to the afterlife with a clean slate.

Obito is a perfect example of why I believe the theme of forgiveness has been used way too much.He has attacked Konoha,caused the death of the main character's parents,made several character's lives miserable,and caused a world war that claimed the lives of thousands.

Yet because he was used despite knowing full well what he was doing Obito was forgiven.All those things he did?Like it never happened,and to top it off Naruto praised him as the greatest and ultimately he got everything he wanted in death.

Those people who died because of Obito apparently don't matter because he's forgiven now.

Orochimaru is yet another example of what would happen if the theme of forgiveness takes it's course.He caused the deaths of the Fourth Kazekage and Third Hokage,experimented on countless people and attacked Konoha.

Would any sane person forgive Orochimaru despite knowing the things he's done?

Madara looks like he's gonna be redeemed for everything in the future,this is despite him being behind everything Obito did.

Unlike the latter who was manipulated into thinking his actions were for peace Madara had everything laid out from the beginning.But once again it seems like just because BZ betrayed him Kishi is trying to set Madara up for yet another redemption story.


I could go on with other characters and their actions that caused untold death and pain but I made my point.Does the theme of forgiveness get applied too much?Is there a limit to how much a character can be redeemed?
 
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Narujesus forgives all. I'm sorry I just had the say that. Lol
 

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I agree it gets used way too much
 

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I don't think something like that can ever go too far. Anything should be forgivable. Just be wary of people who will try to take advantage of kindness. Still forgive them though.


"The hardest thing is to forgive, but God does
Even if you murdered or robbed, yeah it's wrong, but God loves"
 

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It does. Kishimoto's idea of redemption is pretty juvenile if you ask me.
 
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I don't think something like that can ever go too far. Anything should be forgivable. Just be wary of people who will try to take advantage of kindness. Still forgive them though.


"The hardest thing is to forgive, but God does
Even if you murdered or robbed, yeah it's wrong, but God loves"
This^. Dwelling on the past won't change anything.
 

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I don't think something like that can ever go too far. Anything should be forgivable. Just be wary of people who will try to take advantage of kindness. Still forgive them though.


"The hardest thing is to forgive, but God does
Even if you murdered or robbed, yeah it's wrong, but God loves"

I respectfully disagree,there are some things that aren't forgivable.Crimes such as terrorism,rape,and mass murder lead to untold amounts of suffering for the victims and the people responsible are beyond the point of forgiveness.
 

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I respectfully disagree,there are some things that aren't forgivable.Crimes such as terrorism,rape,and mass murder lead to untold amounts of suffering for the victims and the people responsible are beyond the point of forgiveness.

Why? Do you think that those people are just inherently evil? That they just do these things for no reason?
 

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I don't really think the forgiveness is too much of a big deal. In a time of war if your enemy, Obito in this case, is willing to change sides and help you then you should let them. Also even if Naruto or Kakashi forgave Obito, I guarantee many people would not forgive him. Obito didn't even forgive himself. I think Kishi's point is realizing that others have been through situations in there life that have lead them to where they are now, but always have the ability to change their ways. Even if you aren't forgiven you can still change, and do the right thing. And maybe, just maybe, one day you can be forgiven.

I don't think Madara will be redeemed. He has put the world in a position where it will be completely destroyed, as far as living beings are concerned.

And I know you didn't bring up Sasuke. But Sasuke being forgiven is honestly pretty legit. He has done some bad things, but honestly he hasn't done so many that it would outway the good things he has done. Sasuke should be forgiven.
 

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It's completely silly and unrealistic in any way, especially Naruto.
 

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No considering Obito saved the entire team 7. Sakura from Madara rod. Kakashi multiple times. Naruto by giving him Kurama. Sasuke getting him out of that dimension.
 

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Why? Do you think that those people are just inherently evil? That they just do these things for no reason?

When someone commits rape they ruin the life of the person being raped.Many rape victims say they have trouble living a normal life afterwards and some become depressed or even suicidal.Mass murderers kill hundreds,even thousands of innocent people,the survivors are mentally,physically,and emotionally scarred for life.

It takes a really evil person to do those things,sometimes they didn't even need a reason other than because they could.
 
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If Naruto doesn't forgive, then the feelings in his heart ache too much
 
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