Does The Last movie debunk Narutos skill?

[Dantee]

Agreed.

Naruto has only a few Genjutsu feats, and that was back at the Gaara retrieval arc. The only one before that was when Itachi casted (from my memory I could be wrong) KA or Tsukuyomi on him, which removed the crow from his "throat" that he placed a few arcs before. Naming that Naruto was "weak" against Genjutsu is a false speculation, Naruto was weak against Itachi because he was such an advanced Genjutsu user and he was not skilled enough to take him. I can't possibly believe how anyone could ever name Naruto to be weak against Genjutsu now with his chakra control.

The only way to stop the Infinite Tskuyomi is through the Rinnegan, there is no contradiction there. That's literally the only way to stop it. Similar to how the only way to stop Tsukuyomi is by having Uchiha blood (through brothers/sisters I would assume).

Actually he has more like no feats whatsoever... Really the only thing Naruto had going for him is the perfect jin hype but that seems to be nothing more than hype at this point. The manga has debunked it time and time again.

 

[lndra]

Actually he has more like no feats whatsoever... Really the only thing Naruto had going for him is the perfect jin hype but that seems to be nothing more than hype at this point. The manga has debunked it time and time again.

He actually has Genjutsu breaking out feats. I'll have to show you them in a moment :lol

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

He actually has Genjutsu breaking out feats. I'll have to show you them in a moment :lol

Really? I wasn't aware Naruto has EVER broken out of genjutsu. Itachi didn't even use a powerful genjutstu on him. Sakura and Chiyo broke out with ease.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Perfect jins are immune to genjutsu. In the last plot required Naruto to see Hinata's dreams. He would be awakened by Kurama eventually anyway.

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they obviously have to be an active part of the battle

 

[Narutrol]

He did. Only Sasuke can break out of Tsukuyomi, because they share the same blood (not just being Uchiha's)

The same blood itachi meant is his related blood, not uchiha.

He basically said only sasuke can fight him, not his mother nor his father

That's how people in those region say about "blood"

 

[FreeTanner17]

its all plot. No offense but you and your thread are stupid. Sakura is not better at countering genjutsu than Naruto. You fap sasuke too much.

 

[VongolaX]

Two uchihas put perfect jinchuurikis in a genjustu by feats.

Sasuke being able to put a perfect jinchuuriki in a genjustu should be possible.

 

[~Ethereal~]

I totally agree.

 

[Dantee]

Two uchihas put perfect jinchuurikis in a genjustu by feats.

Sasuke being able to put a perfect jinchuuriki in a genjustu should be possible.

Thanks.

its all plot. No offense but you and your thread are stupid. Sakura is not better at countering genjutsu than Naruto. You fap sasuke too much.

Do you have any proof or is insults all you got bro?

 

[xxSAGExx]

Ever thought that Kurama wanted Naruto to stay in the genjutsu to see into Hinata's mind as it pretained to Naruto? Naruto wasn't in any danger at that time but had he been in a dangerous situation at that time then Kurama would have broke him out. Naruto himself didn't even try breaking it and his skills are much higher than war arc Naruto. Except we don't know if Naruto wouldn't be able to break out of IT, Sasuke thought Naruto couldn't which doesn't make it a fact.

Think you forgot that a Naruto wasn't a perfect Jinchuuriki when he told Bee that nor did it show that Naruto even knew a perfect Jinchuuriki can breakout of genjutsus easily which Bee did which Edo Itachi's genjutsu (Itachi didn't even try using genjutsu after Bee broke out). So there is no manga facts saying perfect Jinchuuriki can't breakout of genjutsus. I don't see Sasuke putting a guy with 9 Bijuus in him in a genjutsu long enough to capitalize on it; also don't see him being able to enter Naruto's or Bee's consciousness to put their Bijuus in a genjutsu since it was said that Naruto reached a deeper level of conciousness after perfectly linking to Kurama when they finally became perfect Jinchuuriki so the same would be for Bee which is why Obito and Madara didn't try placing their Bijuus in genjutsus.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

< Perfect Jins are suppose to be able to fight off genjutsu according to Bee, but I guess that was debunked in the war arc and in the last movie.




Naruto was unable to fight off a genjutsu and Kurama didn't intervene. Sakura was able to break it out before him so this canonically puts Sakuras genjutsu res skills above his.




Sasuke had to also save Naruto from IT once Madara casted it.

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Naruto told Bee they'd both be dead if they get caught in Itachis power.

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So concluding off manga facts, powerful genjutsus above Sasukes MScan canonically destroy any perfect jin it encounters.

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< Naruto also possibly lost his RSM in the last, but I will wait for the facts to come out in Gaiden before making a permanent decision.

Naruto can fight off genjutsus, even the highly powerful ones. Tsukuyomi is generally unbreakable by even jinchuurikis but as of now, Naruto isn't a regular jinchuuriki and inferring from the level of power he currently boasts, I think it's safe to say Naruto can counter Tsukuyomi. Can't say anything about KA though. And Infinite Tsukuyomi is an exception. No one but Sasuke can resist it.

 

[irishboy9780]

Perfect Jins are not immune to Genjutsu. What a load of garbage Naruto fans cook up on regular basis, when Yagura was controlled for years.

A perfect jin is able to dispel any genjutsu aside from IT by using the tailed beasts chakra to disrupt his/her own chakra. So in that regard they are "immune" to any genjutsu provided the tailed beast cooperates.

 

[Char Aznable]

Dont fight guys, yamcha solos

Yamcha's got nothing on King Piccolo.

 

[irishboy9780]

Naruto can fight off genjutsus, even the highly powerful ones. Tsukuyomi is generally unbreakable by even jinchuurikis but as of now, Naruto isn't a regular jinchuuriki and inferring from the level of power he currently boasts, I think it's safe to say Naruto can counter Tsukuyomi. Can't say anything about KA though. And Infinite Tsukuyomi is an exception. No one but Sasuke can resist it.

Killer bee broke out of sasukes tsykuyomi. And sasuke isn't the only one who can resist it. Anyone who can activate the susano'ocan hide within it since the light cannot penetrate it.

 

[shelke]

A perfect jin is able to dispel any genjutsu aside from IT by using the tailed beasts chakra to disrupt his/her own chakra. So in that regard they are "immune" to any genjutsu provided the tailed beast cooperates.

Yeah, no. They can't dispel every Genjutsu proven through Yagura and Naruto's own statements on Tsukuyomi and Danzo's own plans to control Naruto via Shisui's KA. Sharingan is a an extremely difficult genjutsu to break or get around in the first place. Add potency to it that's it for anyone.

Kakashi said only sharingan can fight against another sharingan

Itachi didn't say only uchihas can break out of his genjutsu

Kakashi stated that only Sharingan can resist another Sharingan. And he would only be able to resist it to some degree, because he lacked their blood. You need both Uchiha Body and Blood to use Shairngan to optimum levels.

Yes, he did. This is backed by Chiyo and the databook, that you need two people to break Sharingan Genjutsu. And this is proven through several feats:

- Perfect Jins cannot break out if Jins don't intervene. Two people.

- Chee is a Genjutsu specialist and a Class A Sensor and Darui had to step in to break it.

- Deidara fell into Genjutsu twice, despite training his eye. The only difference being that his eye told him that he was in Genjutsu, so he used Clay Substitute as a safety net.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Killer bee broke out of sasukes tsykuyomi.

It wasn't Tsukuyomi. It was a paralysis genjutsu which can be broken by chakra disruption. unlike Tsukuyomi. No regular jinchuuriki can break out of Tsukuyomi.

And sasuke isn't the only one who can resist it. Anyone who can activate the susano'ocan hide within it since the light cannot penetrate it.

He was able to deflect the light of IT using his Susanoo due to affinity of his Rinnegan. The Rinnegan was the main power source to repel IT (Susanoo was only used as a medium to block the light by emitting the Rinnegan's power through it), so not anyone with Susanoo can do that. Sasuke is the only one who can resist IT.

 

[irishboy9780]

Yeah, no. They can't dispel every Genjutsu proven through Yagura and Naruto's own statements on Tsukuyomi and Danzo's own plans to control Naruto via Shisui's KA. Sharingan is a an extremely difficult genjutsu to break or get around in the first place. Add potency to it that's it for anyone.

Besides the fact that killer b broke free of sharigan genjutsu i'll disagree. Did yagura even know he was under genjutsu?

Plus shisui's genjutsu acts differently. It makes the one under it believe they are doing their actions of their own accord. If the victim never knows they are under genjutsu why would they try to dispel it?

 

[shelke]

It wasn't Tsukuyomi. It was a paralysis genjutsu which can be broken by chakra disruption. unlike Tsukuyomi.

He was able to deflect the light of IT using his Susanoo due to affinity of his Rinnegan. Not anyone with Susanoo can do that. So Sasuke is the only one who can resist IT.

Even Chee couldn't break out of Sharingan paralysis Genjutsu and he's a top class Sensor and a Genjutsu expert. You need two people to break a single Sharingan 3T Genjutsu or use Clone feints to avoid it.

Besides the fact that killer b broke free of sharigan genjutsu i'll disagree. Did yagura even know he was under genjutsu?

Plus shisui's genjutsu acts differently. It makes the one under it believe they are doing their actions of their own accord. If the victim never knows they are under genjutsu why would they try to dispel it?

Sasuke's MS Genjutsu is laughable before Itachi's MS Genjutsu and Itachi's is a far cry from Shisui's KA. Which is why it was broken. Two people rule applies as Hachibi makes the second person / individual to break it.

He was a perfect Jin. Why wouldn't he know? And knowing means you can break or overcome Sharingan's genjutsu? You cannot. Chee couldn't do it; a genjutsu expert. Orochimaru couldn't do it; he has a solid 5 in Genjutsu, meaning he's an expert. Ae knew he was under Genjutsu, yet Onoki had to step in to break it. Just because you know you are under Sharingan's Genjutsu doesn't mean you can break it, as even at 3T level - bar the higher Sharingan Doujutsus - Sharingan's Genjutsu is the most potent Genjutsu known to man. Which is why it cannot even be overpowered with any visual Genjutsu. It reflects it right back at the user.

That's not how KA works. KA gives a command and the user falls under it; it's a complete rewriting of the command. That's it. Knowing or not knowing makes zero difference. Just like Tsukuyomi. Just because someone knows he's under it wouldn't make any difference, because you cannot even resist it without Sharingan, let alone overcome it, for which you need the same blood as Itachi.

 

[irishboy9780]

It wasn't Tsukuyomi. It was a paralysis genjutsu which can be broken by chakra disruption. unlike Tsukuyomi. No regular jinchuuriki can break out of Tsukuyomi.



He was able to deflect the light of IT using his Susanoo due to affinity of his Rinnegan. The Rinnegan was the main power source to repel IT (Susanoo was only used as a medium to block the light by emitting the Rinnegan's power through it), so not anyone with Susanoo can do that. Sasuke is the only one who can resist IT.

Is there any manga scan proving that? He's using MS and it looks exactly the same as when kakashi was under itachis tsukuyomi.

And again with sasuke. All he says is that the susanoo he created blocking the genjutsu. Nothing about rinnegan.

 

[irishboy9780]

Even Chee couldn't break out of Sharingan paralysis Genjutsu and he's a top class Sensor and a Genjutsu expert. You need two people to break a single Sharingan 3T Genjutsu or use Clone feints to avoid it.



Sasuke's MS Genjutsu is laughable before Itachi's MS Genjutsu and Itachi's is a far cry from Shisui's KA. Which is why it was broken. Two people rule applies as Hachibi makes the second person / individual to break it.

He was a perfect Jin. Why wouldn't he know? And knowing means you can break or overcome Sharingan's genjutsu? You cannot. Chee couldn't do it; a genjutsu expert. Orochimaru couldn't do it; he has a solid 5 in Genjutsu, meaning he's an expert. Ae knew he was under Genjutsu, yet Onoki had to step in to break it. Just because you know you are under Sharingan's Genjutsu doesn't mean you can break it, as even at 3T level - bar the higher Sharingan Doujutsus - Sharingan's Genjutsu is the most potent Genjutsu known to man. Which is why it cannot even be overpowered with any visual Genjutsu. It reflects it right back at the user.

That's not how KA works. KA gives a command and the user falls under it; it's a complete rewriting of the command. That's it. Knowing or not knowing makes zero difference. Just like Tsukuyomi. Just because someone knows he's under it wouldn't make any difference, because you cannot even resist it without Sharingan, let alone overcome it, for which you need the same blood as Itachi.

It does make a difference because bee was able to dispel it. You do not need the same blood itachi only a sharingan or a 2nd person to dispel it for you, in this case a bijuu.