[Spoilers] Does SSGSS actually exist?

[Floydical]

Because after watching the movie, I am simply not convinced for a few reasons. Please hear me out.

1. The form used in the new movie is never referenced as SSGSS (English dub). Its only referenced as being a God.

2. Neither Goku nor Vegeta are shown transforming into base SSG before achieving this theoretical SSGSS.

3. Power scaling suggests that SSGSS would get a serious boost over base SSG. If this were the case, we'd have to assume both Goku and Vegeta are leaps and bounds beyond even Whis at this point, but that's clearly not the case.

Now I know I'll be railed for this, but please tell me why you are personally convinced this is actually SSGSS. Is it a totally fan-created term or is it solidified in cannon? For instance, was there a confirmation in an interview or the like?

Keep in mind, when it comes to power scaling, that SSJ1 is 50x base power. If this scale correlates even in the slightest to SSG, their power should be heinously above Beerus and Whis. I mean even if SSGSS is 2x SSG, that would instantly make Vegeta and Goku a 12 to Beerus' 10. I'm pretty sure the movie implied they are still inferior to Beerus and Whis.

So either SSGSS is no more than about a 20% boost from SSG, or the fabled SSGSS doesn't actually exist. I'm more inclined to believe its a fallacy and this is a purified form of SSG. Perhaps you can argue its a straight up change in design by Toriyama. Either way, I'm not convinced Goku or Vegeta achieved any level higher than SSG. Please share you thoughts on the matter. Thank you.

 

[IcedFox]

Their base form is referenced to as a Saiyan beyond god.

The SSGod, absorbs his strength into his base form.

There is your explanation.

 

[System001]

Dragon Ball Z
Consistency.
Pick one.

 

[solorflare99]

yeah, they stopped power scaling a while ago.

Also it is indeed called SSGSS in japan.

 

[Floydical]

Their base form is referenced to as a Saiyan beyond god.

The SSGod, absorbs his strength into his base form.

There is your explanation.

How is that an explanation? Haha

yeah, they stopped power scaling a while ago.

Also it is indeed called SSGSS in japan.

Calling it that and that being a cannon fact are two separate issues. Has the creator himself called it that or confirmed it as such?

 

[solorflare99]

How is that an explanation? Haha



Calling it that and that being a cannon fact are two separate issues. Has the creator himself called it that or confirmed it as such?

It is cannon if that is how they named it :/

Lol questioning if it's canon, yet we are talking about a movie.

 

[Umnipotent]

what the?, know you are questioning its existence?.

are you sure that you watched the movie? dragon ball z is absolute , dont waste your time

 

[SSU]

Not sure if it's the official name of the form. I was also surprised that they didn't say it out loud ( it would have made for another funny moment).

But what we can agree is that it is a SSJ form after Goku and Vegeta both tapped into their God powers. SSG isn't really a special form as it is a base form. And I'm assuming it works differently than a regular SSJ transformation. You are right in that if they did go SSJ they would be the strongest fighters, even about Beerus and Whis. I'm thinking that it isn't as big of a power boost as a regular SSJ is. Maybe that could be because they still haven't mastered their God power control.

 

[IcedFox]

How is that an explanation? Haha

Very simple, you saw the redhaired Goku eh?
After awhile he reverted back to his base form, his actual base form.

If a SSG absorbs said God powers, he become a saiyan beyond god; the base form you see in Resurrection F.

If a Saiyan would transform into a Super Saiyan while in his SSG beyond God form, he attains the level of SSGSS.

And wether you question it is canon or not, it is.

 

[Lariatoo]

And Superman still beats him :lol

 

[Floydical]

Very simple, you saw the redhaired Goku eh?
After awhile he reverted back to his base form, his actual base form.

If a SSG absorbs said God powers, he become a saiyan beyond god; the base form you see in Resurrection F.

If a Saiyan would transform into a Super Saiyan while in his SSG beyond God form, he attains the level of SSGSS.

And wether you question it is canon or not, it is.

That actually does make sense.

I'm questioning it because its not actually called that in the movie. Not only that but the power difference between base SSG and SSGSS must be very minute. Just voicing my concerns, but it is very clear the difference in the visuals.

 

[Yubel]

Think of SSG as the case with Mystic Gohan, he became so strong that his base form now far surpasses his SSJ3 form in Buu Saga and beginning of BOG's movie. Now he has trained further and become able to transform into a SSJ while retaining the full power of a SSG which adds to his form making him a SSGSS. If you notice Goku look just like his SSJ form except for his hair being blue as opposed to his usual red. This means that with enough training Goku will be able to transform into a SSGSS2 and SSGSS3 which will be just like SSJ2 and SSJ3 only with a different hair color, I assume it will be blue aswell.

If we are to take the power boost of a regular SSJ compared to base form, it would be 50 times more. With that we can assume that SSGSS Goku is 50 times stronger than a regular SSG.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

The way they transformed it looked like a normal super sayain form to me.

 

[Umnipotent]

And Superman still beats him :lol

oh my , and know you are bringing up this?, typical superf@g fans

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

And Superman still beats him :lol

Little does Superman knows that Goku can be wished back by the dragonballs. Therefore he is immortal.