Does Sasuke really owe anything to Konoha? Does he need redemption?

[Raekwon26]

He doesn't own them a damn thing.

No idea what he's thinking about wanting to be Hokage.

 

[ANiMUS]

yo what? he killed all those samurai, killed danzo, injured ay, fought all the kages, joined the akatsuki, attacked killer bee, tried to kill many others. why in the hell should the kages not cut his head off and send his limbs to the corners of the world?

Samurai were given valid warning, they attacked hi. The only reason the Leaf didn't kill Danzo was because he had too much influence, even tsunade knew the dude was evil. Ay attacked Sasuke. Sasuke defended himself and Ay lost his arm. Sasuke wasn't there for the Kages he was chasing Danzo. They attacked him assuming he was attacking them.

 

[take it easy]

Samurai were given valid warning, they attacked hi. The only reason the Leaf didn't kill Danzo was because he had too much influence, even tsunade knew the dude was evil. Ay attacked Sasuke. Sasuke defended himself and Ay lost his arm. Sasuke wasn't there for the Kages he was chasing Danzo. They attacked him assuming he was attacking them.

sasuke attack diplomatic meet without any logic reason... why sasuke not make trap for danzo if not really want kages fight?

 

[Raekwon26]

sasuke attack diplomatic meet without any logic reason... why sasuke not make trap for danzo if not really want kages fight?

The Zetsu snitched on them....

 

[uchihajaime]

Actually, Sasuke does have a responsibility to the leaf. And to the world as a whole. The majority of the bad things that have happened over the course of history - the big events atleast - in that narutoverse, have been caused by Madara, Obito and the like.

Sasuke has responsibility to cleans the record of his clan. Otherwise, they'd go down in history as the insane traitors that the majority are.

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Sasuke can't be punished for the sins of his clan. If Sasuke is to be punished it must be for his own sins, not ones he wasn't even responsible for. Sure, he can do good deeds in order to clean the Uchiha name but he can't be punished because he has the same last name as them. He's not directly responsible for them. Also three world wars and the Hyuga Incident had nothing to do with Uchiha. They aren't responsible for majority of the world's problems.

 

[mikeeozua]

He doesn't own them a damn thing.

No idea what he's thinking about wanting to be Hokage.

He wants to protect everything that Itachi died for, which is a noble deed in itself buy he really doesn't need to bother himself with that. As you said he owes them squat.

 

[take it easy]

The Zetsu snitched on them....

what the sasuke point on summit attack? sasuke can make trap special for danzo without big risk.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

yo what? he killed all those samurai, killed danzo, injured ay, fought all the kages, joined the akatsuki, attacked killer bee, tried to kill many others. why in the hell should the kages not cut his head off and send his limbs to the corners of the world?

It's about Konoha, any other village he has done wrong in or to doesn't matter right now. He killed Danzo and the village might not like that but they didn't know how corrupted he was. He was right in killing Danzo even if he didn't have the right intentions. Also he joined akatsuki but didn't really do anything to the leaf. Also the only people in the leaf he's tried to kill were Sakura, Kakashi, and Naruto.

All in all he really doesn't owe the leaf anything. The leaf took everything except Sasuke's life and Sasuke basically helped it with the death of Danzo.

 

[Raekwon26]

He wants to protect everything that Itachi died for, which is a noble deed in itself buy he really doesn't need to bother himself with that. As you said he owes them squat.

Someone needs to slap him.

He can protect the village, protect what Itachi died for but that's where it ends. After this war, it ends there.
Go fck off somewhere and start your own village.

Let that village rot in the corruption and ignorance that plagues it. The amount of problems with that village is disgusting and it's even more shameful that none of the issues were EVER addressed.

 

[Liath]

Samurai were given valid warning, they attacked hi. The only reason the Leaf didn't kill Danzo was because he had too much influence, even tsunade knew the dude was evil. Ay attacked Sasuke. Sasuke defended himself and Ay lost his arm. Sasuke wasn't there for the Kages he was chasing Danzo. They attacked him assuming he was attacking them.

so he shows up in an akatsuki outfit, looking to kill danzo, already a criminal for going rogue from the leaf, the samurai approach so its okay for him to start killing people? gimme a break.

 

[mikeeozua]

Someone needs to slap him.

He can protect the village, protect what Itachi died for but that's where it ends. After this war, it ends there.
Go fck off somewhere and start your own village.

Let that village rot in the corruption and ignorance that plagues it. The amount of problems with that village is disgusting and it's even more shameful that none of the issues were EVER addressed.

Lol, true talk, real life Naruto would drive that country straight into the ground in no time.

 

[H a n]

It's his clans fault that they had to get killed off. And then he makes it worse by invading other villages... Sasuke is in the wrong..

 

[Johndoesknowall]

It's his clans fault that they had to get killed off. And then he makes it worse by invading other villages... Sasuke is in the wrong..

Wrong, they didn't have to get killed off. Like Itachi said. Maybe if he talked to Sasuke, Sasuke might have been able to change his parents minds, even the clans. The leaf was in the wrong for what they did. There were other ways of stopping the uchiha's.

Also it wasn't the clans fault, the leaf started to treat the uchiha's badly and made them outsiders.

Sasuke did invade other villages but I don't see what that did to the leaf.

 

[Transcendence]

He does, but I'm rather complacent at the moment, so I won't give a valiant explanation.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

The only bad thing Sasuke has done is try to capture Bee. Everything else has mostly helped Konoha.

Though the "destroy Konoha" crap was ridiculous.




The whole Will of Fire thing isn't really being twisted considering the massacre wasn't planned by Hiruzen, but rather Danzo, Itachi, and Obito. They were intent on keeping Sasuke safe and making him a member of Konoha as opposed to the survivor of the rebels. So honestly they treated him fairly well.


If he owes Konoha anything it would be more like he realizes it's his home and wants to protect it. It isn't much in the stance of obligation unless you count him as a Konoha shinobi or the idea of making up for possibly causing Kumo-Konoha complications.

 

[htmwall]

owe no he doesn't,but he was a konoha shinobi(soldier) and basically deserted to its sworn enemy without even thinking about the consequences of such thing,and honesly if it wasn't for naruto's group slowing the sound 4,sasuke would have been orochimaru's new body,so he basically owes his life to the group that has gone to resque him.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

The only bad thing Sasuke has done is try to capture Bee. Everything else has mostly helped Konoha.

Though the "destroy Konoha" crap was ridiculous.




The whole Will of Fire thing isn't really being twisted considering the massacre wasn't planned by Hiruzen, but rather Danzo, Itachi, and Obito. They were intent on keeping Sasuke safe and making him a member of Konoha as opposed to the survivor of the rebels. So honestly they treated him fairly well.


If he owes Konoha anything it would be more like he realizes it's his home and wants to protect it. It isn't much in the stance of obligation unless you count him as a Konoha shinobi or the idea of making up for possibly causing Kumo-Konoha complications.

Agreed on most of it except the bold parts. You're right it wasn't planned by Hiruzen but Hiruzen did know it was going to happen and did nothing to stop it and as Hokage he would be responsible for it aswell.

I don't think he was treated fairly. He was lied to and I'm sure that Hiruzen knew Sasuke wanted to kill Itachi yet he let Sasuke think Itachi was a traitor instead of telling him the truth about him. They acted as if to ignore or keep Sasuke as an outsider.

I think he already knows of it as his home and wants to fulfill his brothers will.

 

[ANiMUS]

sasuke attack diplomatic meet without any logic reason... why sasuke not make trap for danzo if not really want kages fight?

He was having an irrational moment of rage. Even Karin noticed the change. He did not attack the meet. Samauris attacked him so he vented on them.

 

[ANiMUS]

so he shows up in an akatsuki outfit, looking to kill danzo, already a criminal for going rogue from the leaf, the samurai approach so its okay for him to start killing people? gimme a break.

Samurai attacked, not just approached. And no its not ok, but it pales in comparison to the good he has done.

 

[saw2097]

They raised him and gave him a home. Plus the people there risked a lot to protect him from Orochimaru, so yes he does need redemption.