[Discussion] Does One Piece needs more character deaths?

[Tachondar]

Monet and Vergo als died last chapter. First time that 2 villains whom they fought against also died.

 

[Naruto.]

Quality over quantity.

Hmm, nice answer.

No ... Oda should do deaths like he did until now, few but very hearth-breaking

Yea, I would personally like him to do character deaths more, but they shouldn't be pointless.

This

No one cared about the countless fodders who died in Naruto. Could just use numbers to represent them.

True that.

Dude, dont ask for deaths in OP.. Oda would make your cry I mean everyone from them is such an amazing character i dont like one of them dieing specially those characters that close to the straw hats...

Haha, I know. Tho, more bad guys should die, even bad guys don't die in OP, which is sad.

To me at least, the more deaths there are the less they mean each time... I say keep it the way it is.

Unless the author choses proper character for deaths and makes it impactful.

they can be many deaths and few deaths

the main thing is that it is impactful

Exactly.

I agree with this but he should kill off some villains. I mean, what was the point in having Geko Moria escape? Or letting Captain Kuro live? Ok, I understand some villains shouldn't die like Enel for comedic purposes but still :/

Ikr? Even bad guys don't die in OP, lol. Oda should broaden his horizon and kill off some villains.

The deaths we've seen are so major and touching that we don't need anymore deaths!
Unless it's like blackbeard or something (;

Partly agree. The deaths were touching, but I need more feels for OP, that's what makes it an even more better manga than it is now.

I was heartbroken when ace died.!!

Ikr? :T_T:

Yes, like Shanks and people like that

Shanks will probably die before the end of the series.

I will hate Oda if he kills of Shanks, but that will make a big impact on Luffy.

Agreed. It's still my favourite manga without a ton of character deaths, it shows how great an author Oda is.

One of the few mangas where characters are rarely killed, but still tops the chart in awesomeness.

Well I'm 50/50 on this. I hate the fact that no villain died in the series,in present time,and only 2 important characters have died throughout the series. Ace's death became meaningless thanks to luffy and it was pure BS. When I read op fans saying how great oda writes that it makes you cry even when a boat get destroyed I was so inspired but then came reality crashing that hope. That was one hell of a lie,this is a kids manga with kids logic with no impact at all. Fma,snk,naruto,berserk,breaker,these mangas shit on op in every sense,especially in realism,maturity,plot and sadness factor.

No, you're wrong. Well, I respect your opinion, but Going Merry's "death" was kinda sad. It was a kids manga in the start, but not anymore. Whitebeard's face got blown off, Ace was penetrated through his back with Akainu's lava, Doflamingo got decapitated, etc..things like these don't happen in a kids manga. Ace's death wasn't meaningless, because it made a very great impact on Luffy, as well as Whitebeard died, due to which the whole world's balance crumbled. If Ace hadn't been killed, his DF would never been stolen by Doflamingo, and SH would never come to Dressrosa, due to which Doffy wouldn't get exposed, and the toys would remain toys. Because Oda stated that he wouldn't kill off characters, Ace's death had real shock value. Although, he rarely appeared in the manga, and people overhyped him, Ace's death was still a critical point to the manga. And, you can't compare Seinen mangas(except some) with OP. Whenever I compare Naruto, I always compare it with Big 3, because mostly other shonen are very different.

As stated by those above me, the lack of frequent death's in one piece isn't detrimental to the quality of the series. It's just a style of writing that Oda chooses to do which he does well in. So I'm pretty satisfied with everything up until now in term's of how death plays a role in the series.

If he does choose to do death's more frequently, that would be awesome as long as the death's are really impactful to the story, involve relevant characters and are not bullshitted. Otherwise it doesn't make much of a difference.

Yep. I hope a little more characters die, but the deaths should be logical and not half assed.

Yeah, only 2 characters died in the present storyline. I don't really mind it, except when characters survive unreasonably (read Pell). Then it just seems like Oda is catering for 7-year-olds. Hopefully we'll have none of that in the future. The story is still only a little over halfway, so I'm sure there are certainly gonna be more deaths.

Ikr? If Oda breaks himself out of that limitation, OP has the capability of becoming much more greater.

So far its all great with the current amount of dead. N every character tht has not died has had important role to play later on. Like koala, and sabo. Characters most only be killled if they need to be useless dead is unneccesary.

Hmm, I didn't notice that. True, Oda does make a character from chapter 156 relevant in chapter 657(it was an example)

Again with the mkre deaths thread, the out come will b the same pple like post #14 come(even though they said they wont disgust themselves with OP any more) and in the first line of their post sorta sugar coat their insults to the manga so as to say when quoted I didnt just hate on the manga but check a several lines in their post and u see a long list of stuff they say shits on ONE PIECE which in reality is their objective and why they click on that one piece link on the forums page-they r just waiting for the nxt thread they can bore us with their one piece is crap talk and threads like these are exactly what they bleed for and like flies to a................ what ever Im not gonna do this, but just say Shounen does mean Young Boys or something along the line so whateves its K as it is If Iwant to see 14deaths per episode I watch game of thrones and when I feel maybe 25 is what I want today Iwaych Spartacus from Starz.


Oda has quality of deaths and thats that no need to b told how many pirates and marines died at marineford coz we dont care about them only Ace and WB matter.

Yea, he was comparing OP with Seinen-ish mangas.

So only 2 died in OP hmp laaaaaaaame

Your post would only start flamewars. Refrain from doing that.

Maybe some of the charcters that should have died but survived should have died
As for major characters, as has already been said, quality over quantity



Except that those 2 deaths outweigh any death in Naruto
And if you are a Naruto fan don't get into a "not enough death" argument, I only have 2 things left to say: Edo Tensei and Rinne Tensei, case closed

Not really true. Even tho those deaths were impactful, Naruto character's deaths were equally impactful, like Jman and Neji.

Naruto Shippuden is trash. Deaths are overdone, I rarely gave a f*ck when Neji died. Number of Deaths =/= Quality

lmao get lost Narutard. Ace's death was meaningful and brought progression to Luffy's character.

Not really. Tho, Kishi killed off Neji in a very bad way. He died like pure fodder. Yea, it did make an impact on Luffy.

@yo momma san

come again optard? You see loser I can name call ****ing idiots like you as well. But then again what can I aspect from an optard? Quality of death,lel,ace's death had me laugh,quite opposite of what impact it should have had. You guys can cry over a piece of junk getting destroyed and you want me to take you seriously? Naruto part 2 is trash for you,yet you watch it,how stupid can you get? Moreover it just proves my point that part 2 is not for kids,lel. And even haku's and zabuza's death shits on WB's troll death talk about ace's useless death.

Seriously a thread is made asking opinion and you give one you are called narutard. I mentioned other series as well but nooo...the insecure minds have to pick naruto.

I just gave my opinion in this matter of death not overall. Ask which manga is best in adventure genre,well the answer is ONE PIECE but in this regard it's shit.

Please refrain from name calling. Ace and Whitebeard's deaths weren't useless. They had an impact on the whole world, because Whitebeard's death crumbled the balance of the Yonkos, as well as the events at Marineford created tons of new pirates. Ace's death had an impact at Luffy's character. For the first time, we saw Luffy dying inside seeing his brother killed in front of him.

Monet and Vergo als died last chapter. First time that 2 villains whom they fought against also died.

Sorry, I forgot about that.

And, others please refrain from calling each other "narutard" and "op tard".
Keep the hate out of my thread please.

 

[Hexuze]

Please refrain from name calling. Ace and Whitebeard's deaths weren't useless. They had an impact on the whole world, because Whitebeard's death crumbled the balance of the Yonkos, as well as the events at Marineford created tons of new pirates. Ace's death had an impact at Luffy's character. For the first time, we saw Luffy dying inside seeing his brother killed in front of him.

Vasu32 doesn't even read OP. He reads the summaries from the OPwikia page. Keep that in mind, he's trying to fit in.

 

[Trollkage]

One piece is trash and the death dont even make since it sucks and will always be inferior to naruto you optards need to get that through yall thick heads naruto is the best manga ever and will always be damn

 

[Hexuze]

One piece is trash and the death dont even make since it sucks and will always be inferior to naruto you optards need to get that through yall thick heads naruto is the best manga ever and will always be damn I'm trolling

Your opinion =/= Fact. Even though it's obvious you're trolling cause of your username and dat ending.

 

[Trollkage]

Your opinion =/= Fact. Even though it's obvious you're trolling cause of your username and dat ending.

My opinion is fact one piece is shit and unreal and ugly and boring

 

[ultraChalk]

,ace's death had me laugh,quite opposite of what impact it should have had

Do you really mean that when you say it?

I mean, do you really, really mean that? You laughed and thought that was the appropriate response it should have had?

Not judging, just asking.

 

[crono0929]

Do you really mean that when you say it?

I mean, do you really, really mean that? You laughed and thought that was the appropriate response it should have had?

Not judging, just asking.

he is just a one sided naruto fanboy, he claims not to "Hate" one piece, but every chance he gets, he makes his way to the One piece section and bashes it and claims naruto to be better(LEL)...

funny part is that he was going to "DROP" the series a while ago , and yet he willingly keeps on with it...

 

[Hexuze]

he is just a one sided naruto fanboy, he claims not to "Hate" one piece, but every chance he gets, he makes his way to the One piece section and bashes it and claims naruto to be better(LEL)...

funny part is that he was going to "DROP" the series a while ago , and yet he willingly keeps on with it...

Just like his other bf (forgot his name lol) who claimed to drop OP but now he's deciding to read it again. Vasu prob. doesn't even read OP either, he just read summaries online.

 

[Darkbringer]

I see more character deaths since this is the New World have to make the story believable but it will be people who are close with Luffy.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

One of the few mangas where characters are rarely killed, but still tops the chart in awesomeness.

Exactly, thank you ^^

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

So only 2 died in OP hmp laaaaaaaame

lol. Not true at all. According to wiki, 87 people have died in one piece, including one of the main characters of the SH Pirates.
I'll list a few.
Gol D. Roger, Fisher Tiger, Otohime, Kuina, Bell-mère, Dr. Hiluluk, Tom, Jaguar D. Saul, Olvia, Joy Boy, Monet, Vergo, Mr 11, Ace, White Beard, Merry, Scarlett, Thatch, Tsumegeri Guards, and Yorki

Some of those characters listed were from flashbacks to develop other characters. Some of them were to develop the plot. Some of them the villain of the arc killed. And some of them were villains that have died.


Is that enough deaths for you?

Probably not because you would say something like they were all fodder and didn't die in the current story line, or they weren't the main heroes or villains of the story.

Well you want a list of the protagonists that have died in One Piece?
Ace
WB
Merry
Brook
Sure one is a ship and the other is just bones, but they count.


How many protagonists have actually died in Naruto?
Hiruzen
Asuma
Jiraiya
Neji
Anyone else was an antagonist that turned good, was a secondary character, or died before the main story.


4 and 4... Naruto sure has a lot of good people dying all the time. So much more then that other manga One Piece.

Ok but Naruto has killed more people then Luffy has right?

..............
I count zero for both.

No wait, the other characters around the main character has killed people before right?

Strawhat Pirates, zero.

Sakura.......zero Sasori let himself die by the granny
Sasuke. Orochimaru is still alive, Deidara blew himself up, Itachi died of Aids before he could kill Sasuke, and Danzo blew himself up.


Another big fat Zero.


I guess the argument should actually be if villains should die more in One Piece because lots of villains in Naruto have died(unless they turned good).

Even though Oda said he would not kill the antagonists because he felt them losing their dream after getting their ass kicked by Luffy was worse than death, he actually has killed of antagonists recently(Vergo and Monet).

Actually I find him not killing off the villains has been better for the overall plot. Let's take a look at all the major villains Luffy has beaten instead of dying.

Morgan. Used to develop Coby as a side character.
Buggy. He basically made it possible for Luffy to escape Impel Down and is now a Shichibukai serving to better the plot later.
Alvida. Partnered up with Buggy to beat Luffy. Currently is in charge of the Buggy crew in Buggy's absence.
Kuro. Got his ass kicked. Serves no point of being alive atm.
Don Krieg. Got his ass kicked. Serves no point of being alive atm.
Arlong. Got his ass kicked. Serves no point of being alive atm, but was used later in flashbacks in Fishman Island.
Smoker. Still in pursuit of Luffy and was used as an ally on some occasions.
All of Baroque Works Agents. Mr 2 and 3, huge assets in Impel Down. Robin joined the crew. The rest are used for future encounters.
Crocodile. More Impel Down and Marineford stuffs.
Enel. Used to develop the whole moon thing in the cover pages.
Lucci. A possible gambler seen in Punk Hazzard. May be of use later but unclear.
Moria. Foreshadowed to be seen later but has yet to be.
The Admirals, Self explanatory
Hody. He was imprisoned and made useless. The King got to deal with him for his satisfaction.
Cesar Clown. Currently being held captive by the SH's
Donflamingo. Yet to be seen if he dies or not.


Basically all the villains have been used later in the series or will be, minus the East Blue villains at the beginning of the series.

Versus Naruto's villains who basically just get revived by Edo Tensei to further the progression of the plot....

Let's take a look at the Villains Naruto has fought.

Haku and Zabuza. Died and revived by ET to say he became a good ninja.
Random people in the Forest of Death. Still alive, haven't been seen since.
Kiba. Turned good
Neji. Turned good
Gaara. Turned good
Kabuto. Still alive, started a war and abused ET.
Orochimaru. Died then revived, then died, then revived. Maybe good.
Sasuke. No explanation needed....
Kakuzu. Kakashi killed after Naruto kicked his ass with plot.
Nagato/Pain. Died by a book....
Obito. Turned good and still alive.
Madara. Most likely going to die.


The rest of the villains someone else fought and killed. Most of the time it was a grown up.


I mean comparing the lists, there isn't much of an argument saying Naruto villains were killed off when half of them turned good and the other half committed suicide. Most Naruto fanboys seem to neglect how these villains died and just compare deaths numbers.


When it comes to meaningful deaths, One Piece takes the cake. Jiraiya is the only one that comes close to being as impactful as Ace, Merry, and WB were. Mainly because he wasn't revived by edo tensei. As flashback deaths go, Minato and Kushina were really the only ones where One Piece has so many good deaths in flashbacks.


As for the topic at hand. I'm sure there is something in this post that relates to what you want.