BigTDogg220
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He needs a new power solely because he doesn't have a power that can defeat Madara or Sasuke's Susano'o at the moment. Once he gets a power along those lines then he'll be set.
Does naruto need a new jutsu/power?
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kanesannin
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I agree.There is no telling what kind of powers sasuke now has with his ems. I think naruto needs to learn sealing jutsus, after all, the FTG technique of his father was based upon seals implanted on the kunai( or even on opponents bodies).
EternalMangekyouRinnegan
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I think his body flicker is better than FTG. It doesn't require seals or marks to be made and it's definetly faster than FTG.
kanesannin
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Perhaps, but the advantage of FTG is that its more stable, yamato( i think) said that naruto had not quite reached the level of the 4th yet, so there is definitely room for improvement........e.g could naruto do what his father did to the tailed beast bomb of the 9tails?
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I don't think its faster than FTG. FTG involves time-space manipulation.The body flicker probably is a little more convenient than FTG but Minato can basically put a seal on anything, and the seal can move as seen in the Kakashi Gaiden.
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EternalMangekyouRinnegan
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If he was as fast as it seemed in manga than he truly have surpassed everyone else in speed. He's faster than light
FTG has it's own advantages but it's not pure speed like body flicker it's a summoning jutsu that requires a seal.
Besides, younger generations always surpass old ones. Surely, Naruto will be better than his Dad. Even if he learned FTG, he would improve it somehow to utilize that tech to the full power.
Spartan117
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No my friend... Madara cannot control the Kyubbi while its sealed within naruto nor can he when Naruot uses it's chakra. The Evidence to this remember Naruto's birth? Madara had to wait for the seal to be weakened and break compeletely for him to control the nine tail's fox!
I actually naruto to rely more on his sage mode and learn FTG. But combinning Sage mode and Kyubbi's chakra is kick ass I doub't madar will stand a chance against that.
However, there are arguements that madara was the one who gave nagato the rinnegan so he might know how to fully unlock it.
kanesannin
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Yes my friend madara could potentially take over the 9 tails. As you've mentioned, the seal must be weakened first. It has been shown that the seal weakens when naruto is in a very tough fight( like against pain).Sasuke could push naruto to his limits, at that point even the best seal will be weakened.........what if madara shows up THEN?? Techniques like his father's space time jutsus would be of HUGE help at that point.
i don't think you realise that it doesn't matter how many techniques but how he uses them i mean you dont complain about shikamaru and people like hidan konohamaru gai lee and others but no you have to complain about naruto i know he hasn't got a lot but he thinks of ways to make them a lot stronger
but i do agree he needs more power to defeat his enemies eg. sasuke madara kabuto and more
but i do agree he needs more power to defeat his enemies eg. sasuke madara kabuto and more
kanesannin
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I do realize that, i did'nt say he needs to master every jutsu, just not be too dependent on the 9 tails. There is no need to 'complain' about anyone else, they all have their weaknesses and strengths, this thread is about naruto so obviously i will discuss him.
Yes he needs more power that's what i'm saying.
On a separate note, perhaps if the power itachi gave to him was strong enough, he may be able to get by without any new jutsus....its debatable
kanesannin
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To all the idiots who think madara does'nt have ems or ms:
Look at kekkei genkai.
Then see this:
If the ms/ems controls the kyuubi, then how did madara do it without it???
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Look at kekkei genkai.
Then see this:
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If the ms/ems controls the kyuubi, then how did madara do it without it???
EternalMangekyouRinnegan
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I agree that Naruto shouldn't rely on kyuubi mode too much. It's obvious that Kishimoto will show us the revived juubi but to do that Madara has to extract remaining bijuus from Naruto and Bee. When he does that it's bye bye kyuubi mode and all it's powers.
I hope he will somehow awaken hidden powers within him, like some epic SO6P seals and jutsus.
Besides, narutowikia is fan-made site. Information there is gathered from manga and anime, it is not official and confirmed information from Kishi.
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Madara's MS -
Madara's EMS -
Madara with MS activated in the battle against Hashirama -
Madara with EMS activated (or its always activated?) before the battle with Hashirama in Valley of the End -
Tobi's Sharingan -
So, tell me where did you actually see Tobi with ems or ms?
His sharingan is always activated, like Kakashi's or Danzous. Like an implanted sharingan.
I hope he will somehow awaken hidden powers within him, like some epic SO6P seals and jutsus.
Before you go calling ppl idiots, show us atleast ONE proof of TOBI using MS/EMS or atleast having it. He uses sharingan and sharingan can control kyuubi. Even Sasuke supressed Kyuubi in Naruto when they first met at part2.
Besides, narutowikia is fan-made site. Information there is gathered from manga and anime, it is not official and confirmed information from Kishi.
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Madara's MS -
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Madara's EMS -
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Madara with MS activated in the battle against Hashirama -
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Madara with EMS activated (or its always activated?) before the battle with Hashirama in Valley of the End -
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Tobi's Sharingan -
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So, tell me where did you actually see Tobi with ems or ms?
His sharingan is always activated, like Kakashi's or Danzous. Like an implanted sharingan.
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kanesannin
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.......besides, naruto will become the strongest ninja in the manga, though probably without kyuubi, i.e through his own hardwork, not stealing techniques like sasuke. Against pain he beat the god realm on his own, without the 9 tails chakra, so i think he may be meant to be stronger without the kyuubi( the power is a little like cheating, anyway).
lol, why don't you provide ONE proof which says normal sharingan can control the kyuubi, oh and read the link to chapter 386. It clearly shows the ms is MEANT to control the 9 tails.
P.s: sasuke just saw the 9 tails in naruto, he did'nt control it.
lol, why don't you provide ONE proof which says normal sharingan can control the kyuubi, oh and read the link to chapter 386. It clearly shows the ms is MEANT to control the 9 tails.
P.s: sasuke just saw the 9 tails in naruto, he did'nt control it.
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EternalMangekyouRinnegan
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See my post again, I provided enough proof for you or anyone else.
Sasuke didn't just see him, he surpressed him in Naruto to keep him from going into fox cloak mode like at the Valley of The End.
kanesannin
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First of all, having a ms does'nt mean you are always going to keep it activated, so what if they don't show it now? It does'nt prove he does'nt have it. Also, if a regular 3 tomoe sharingan could control the 9 tails( even if when the seal is weak) why is madara the only uchiha in HISTORY to successfully control it? Why did sasuke say what he did about the ms? Evidence points either to madara having some incredible, unknown power or the ems.
kanesannin
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Oh btw, controlling means summoning, bringing out the 9 tails in its full form and ordering it to attack for you.......your contention of sasuke suppressing the 9 tails power is doubtful. Why would naruto say i need the power of the 9 tails against sasuke if the latter could suppress that power?
One further link to add:
The 4th hokage would not praise someone like that and state" if i don't kill him now he'll become a greater danger than the fox..." unless there was good reason to do so. Underestimating madara is a fatal mistake.
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The 4th hokage would not praise someone like that and state" if i don't kill him now he'll become a greater danger than the fox..." unless there was good reason to do so. Underestimating madara is a fatal mistake.
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EternalMangekyouRinnegan
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Because he is the strongest Uchiha ever lived. Besides, you think that Kyuubi is running around in the world like some lonely wolf? That opportunity fell on Madara only, and I doubt there are alot of Uchiha who could controll him. Kakashi couldn't do it, never could and never will.
Bijuu is not a summon, it is a demon - tailed beast created from Juubi's chakra.
Sasuke somehow suppressed Kyuubi inside Naruto when he had the old seal, which was severly weakened after all those battles.
This time Naruto is alot stronger and has his own seal. Even if he had his old one I doubt anyone could suppress Kyuubis powers again because Naruto is alot stronger and wouldn't allow that.
Well, DAAAAAAAAH, Tobi is the main villain in the manga. Ofcourse he's strong. I just don't think he could take on Naruto and Bee with his current powers. He could probably kill of most of the shinobi joint army by himself but Naruto and Bee is more than he can bargain. Sasuke with EMS on other hand could actually beat them, imo.
IF, Tobi has EMS as some of you claim here, then yeah he could rape anyone but I think he only has regular sharingan, rinnegan and that space-time jutsu.
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kanesannin
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I never said bijuus were summons, just that the person who can control them would be able to summon them. Here madara 'summons' the 9 tails:
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Well at least you agree that a seal can be weakened after battles, i suspect ppl like sasuke and kabuto might weaken the seal if they fight naruto and then madara might have an opportunity to take over( i mean the strongest of the uchiha is no joke).
I disagree with you completely. No seal is perfect, the original seal on naruto was a VERY strong one( stronger than the one used on killer bee), and if that was weakened this new one might be too.
Getting back to the topic of the thread, i think naruto should learn the space time jutsu of his father like FTG and then improve on that.....